All Covid-19 measures are permanent, don't be a boiling frog!

King Mob

johnmck wrote: »

If I get vaccinated will I be resistant to Covid?
Gov: Maybe. We don't know. Possibly not, hasn't worked for Japan for example.

Japan has a very low rate of vaccination.

The vaccines have shown that they provide protection against Covid.

You are talking completely out of your arse.
You should stop.

johnmck wrote: »

Government: you'll probably need a booster shot every year for the rest of your life and possibly other drugs to counteract the effects of spikes proteins running out of control and causing autoimmune diseases

Outright blatant lie.
Post where this has been said and show the evidence that this is a concern that doctors actually have.
If you can't, refuse to, or ignore the question, at lease have the backbone to cop to your blatant lying.

EddieN75

King Mob wrote: »

Japan has a very low rate of vaccination.

The vaccines have shown that they provide protection against Covid.

You are talking completely out of your arse.
You should stop.

I think he should continue. After all he is entitled to his opinion.

Are you not in favour of allowing a difference of opinion?

King Mob

EddieN75 wrote: »

I think he should continue. After all he is entitled to his opinion.

Are you not in favour of allowing a difference of opinion?

Oh, sure he's free to continue all he likes.
But if he wants to have his opinion taken seriously, he should stop talking complete bull****.

If he wants conspiracy theorists to not look like they're constantly talking nonsense and look like they are complete liars, then he should also probably stop.

But I think he should continue to do so, since it highlights these things pretty well...

EddieN75

King Mob wrote: »

Oh, sure he's free to continue all he likes.
But if he wants to have his opinion taken seriously, he should stop talking complete bull****.

If he wants conspiracy theorists to not look like they're constantly talking nonsense and look like they are complete liars, then he should also probably stop.

But I think he should continue to do so, since it highlights these things pretty well...

Of course he is free to continue. You don't get to decide.

Timberrrrrrrr

EddieN75 wrote: »

I think he should continue. After all he is entitled to his opinion.

Are you not in favour of allowing a difference of opinion?

A difference of opinion is one thing, telling blatant lies is another. Unfortunately it's something that happens a lot in these threads. Do you not think lies should be called out?

King Mob

EddieN75 wrote: »

Of course he is free to continue. You don't get to decide.

I'm not sure why you think that I'm deciding anything.

I'm just pointing out that he's embarrassing himself by telling lies and making stuff up. It's making him and other conspiracy theorists look bad.

So he should stop telling lies.

He's completely free to ignore this advice if he likes. I hope he does as then he makes a very good example of how conspiracy theorists kinda have to lie and make **** up constantly and are generally not well informed about the issue.

Do you not have an issue with him telling these lies?

EddieN75

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

A difference of opinion is one thing, telling blatant lies is another. Unfortunately it's something that happens a lot in these threads. Do you not think lies should be called out?

I think the lies should be met with facts. Ie if he posts a link with his point then if someone wants to call it a lie then they must post evidence to show it is untrue.

None of this "oh you are liar" , " you should stop posting "and "stop embarrassing yourself"

It's one opinion Vs the other. Nobody has the right to be abusive.

If you don't agree with a post or statement then post evidence to back yourself up and counter their claims.
Is that not reasonable?

This mob type with pile on culture is toxic

King Mob

EddieN75 wrote: »

I think the lies should be met with facts. Ie if he posts a link with his point then if someone wants to call it a lie then they must post evidence to show it is untrue.

None of this "oh you are liar" , " you should stop posting "and "stop embarrassing yourself"

Covid vaccines are effective:
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison

Japan has a low level of vaccination.
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210505/p2a/00m/0op/016000c

10 seconds of googling.

Meanwhile, no link or evidence has been provided for the contrary claim.
Because the contrary claim isn't true.
It's a lie.

EddieN75 wrote: »

It's one opinion Vs the other. Nobody has the right to be abusive.

If you don't agree with a post or statement then post evidence to back yourself up and counter their claims.

This mob type with pile on culture is toxic

So why doesn't the person telling the lies have to back up their lies?

Do you believe the claim that the vaccines aren't effective and that Japan is a good example of this?
If not, why do you believe the other poster claimed this when it's not true?

EddieN75

King Mob wrote: »

Covid vaccines are effective:
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison

Japan has a low level of vaccination.
https://mainichi.jp/english/articles/20210505/p2a/00m/0op/016000c

10 seconds of googling.

Meanwhile, no link or evidence has been provided for the contrary claim.
Because the contrary claim isn't true.
It's a lie.


So why doesn't the person telling the lies have to back up their lies?

Do you believe the claim that the vaccines aren't effective and that Japan is a good example of this?
If not, why do you believe the other poster claimed this when it's not true?

They do have to back up their claims. I implied that everyone should back up their claims.

There is no point in getting salty with me. You'll not get much hop

King Mob

EddieN75 wrote: »

They do have to back up their claims. I implied that everyone should back up their claims.

Ok. Then maybe you should have just asked me directly if I had evidence.

So do you now agree that the claims that the vaccine is not effective and Japan is an example of this, are lies?

Timberrrrrrrr

EddieN75 wrote: »

I think the lies should be met with facts. Ie if he posts a link with his point then if someone wants to call it a lie then they must post evidence to show it is untrue.

None of this "oh you are liar" , " you should stop posting "and "stop embarrassing yourself"

It's one opinion Vs the other. Nobody has the right to be abusive.

If you don't agree with a post or statement then post evidence to back yourself up and counter their claims.
Is that not reasonable?

This mob type with pile on culture is toxic

Which he didn't he just posted a blatant lie.

foggiestyle

runawaybishop wrote: »

No he hasn't, you are a spoofer. Go back to hiding under the stairs.

I wrote that he said no to waiver the ip and he quite clearly did, Have you anything to support he didnt?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tropM4cajFw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ5DavuOkcM

https://theintercept.com/2021/03/24/covid-vaccine-stocks-biden-conflict/

Although he may be changing his tune now this came out yesterday ,

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bill-melinda-gates-vaccine-waiver-b1843799.html

and i see on other media this morning ,governments all over the world are starting to support the ip to be waivered as is the pope. So hopefully it gets passed but this should of been done months ago imo.

robinph

You also claimed that Bill Gates and George Soros held separate parts of the recipe for KFCs 13 herbs and spices the vaccines, presumably its all vaccines that you think they have control of?

runawaybishop

foggiestyle wrote: »

I wrote that he said no to waiver the ip and he quite clearly did, Have you anything to support he didnt?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tropM4cajFw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ5DavuOkcM

https://theintercept.com/2021/03/24/covid-vaccine-stocks-biden-conflict/

Although he may be changing his tune now this came out yesterday ,

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bill-melinda-gates-vaccine-waiver-b1843799.html

and i see on other media this morning ,governments all over the world are starting to support the ip to be waivered as is the pope. So hopefully it gets passed but this should of been done months ago imo.

You stated he has denied other countries a vaccine. This is a lie.

He has expressed concern over quality if an open IP was granted and has, as you have seen yourself, expressed limited support for an IP waiver. None of which matters, he does not control vaccines.

foggiestyle

runawaybishop wrote: »

You stated he has denied other countries a vaccine. This is a lie.

He has expressed concern over quality if an open IP was granted and has, as you have seen yourself, expressed limited support for an IP waiver. None of which matters, he does not control vaccines.

if you think so but i strongly disagree. it just doesn't seem fair to those suffering that the vac can't be shared, it leaves longer restrictions for us, and yes i know we are getting some freedoms

King Mob

300 pages and not one covid measure has been shown to be permanent.
Not one person has explained what measures might be permanent.

Pinch Flat

Its like the conspiracy theorists want the measures to be permanent so they can keep the paranoia going. They're a funny bunch.

I've been looking at some of my mates FB posts who is hard-core conspiracy theorist. His feed is now 100% covid and vaccine conspiracy. No boring stuff like a walk on the beach or here's a picture of my family or a meal I cooked. To be honest I was going to message him fo see if he was OK such was the frequency of posting. Literally every hour. We swapped messages recently and he's 100% convinced it's a bill gates depopulation ploy that's playing out in front of our eyes and he feels duty bound to warn us. Apparently thousands dieing from (or of, I'm not sure) the vaccine and its being covered up.

The posts are full of paranoia and fear about the vaccine. it's interesting that someone who had and continues to down play covid as a hoax (the India situation is all fake news,btw) that he feels so strongly about the vaccine that his FB profile picture now says he's not taking it. It's DNA altering mind control.

Checked in on a friend of a friend and she's looking for scientists to analyse her washing. Apparently "they" sprayed us last night and she's convinced that the black specs on her washing are nano technology that's being sprayed at night and used to track us. The irony is she's calling out for anyone with access to a lab to help analyse the particles. I didn't want fo point out that her smart phone does a pretty good job of tracking everything already. Imagine living your life like that.

Yellow_Fern

King Mob wrote: »

300 pages and not one covid measure has been shown to be permanent.
Not one person has explained what measures might be permanent.

How could they show something is permanent when are still in lockdown

LessOutragePlz

King Mob wrote: »

300 pages and not one covid measure has been shown to be permanent.
Not one person has explained what measures might be permanent.

Would you consider having to get an anuual covid vaccine booster shot as a permanent measure?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/eu-secures-a-further-1-8-billion-doses-of-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-1.4559477%3fmode=amp

"The doses are for delivery between 2021 and 2023 and are intended for use by member states as booster shots against the illness and to allow for the vaccination of children and teenagers if approved by regulators"

https://abc6onyourside.com/amp/news/nation-world/abc6onyourside.com/news/nation-world/the-virus-is-not-going-away-moderna-pfizer-warn-of-need-for-vaccine-boosters

EddieN75

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Its like the conspiracy theorists want the measures to be permanent so they can keep the paranoia going. They're a funny bunch.

I've been looking at some of my mates FB posts who is hard-core conspiracy theorist. His feed is now 100% covid and vaccine conspiracy. No boring stuff like a walk on the beach or here's a picture of my family or a meal I cooked. To be honest I was going to message him fo see if he was OK such was the frequency of posting. Literally every hour. We swapped messages recently and he's 100% convinced it's a bill gates depopulation ploy that's playing out in front of our eyes and he feels duty bound to warn us. Apparently thousands dieing from (or of, I'm not sure) the vaccine and its being covered up.

The posts are full of paranoia and fear about the vaccine. it's interesting that someone who had and continues to down play covid as a hoax (the India situation is all fake news,btw) that he feels so strongly about the vaccine that his FB profile picture now says he's not taking it. It's DNA altering mind control.

Checked in on a friend of a friend and she's looking for scientists to analyse her washing. Apparently "they" sprayed us last night and she's convinced that the black specs on her washing are nano technology that's being sprayed at night and used to track us. The irony is she's calling out for anyone with access to a lab to help analyse the particles. I didn't want fo point out that her smart phone does a pretty good job of tracking everything already. Imagine living your life like that.

No offense but this is yet another "I was looking at my mates FB page," . Is this the same mate that you keep referencing or are there more than one people and pages?

I used to work with a guy who is gone the same way. Lovely fellow but his wife left him and moved to the UK. Seemed to push him over the edge and his Facebook page is the same as your mate. Posting multiple times per hour.

Fighting Tao

Yellow_Fern wrote: »

How could they show something is permanent when are still in lockdown

Countless times they have been shown evidence that restrictions are lifted, yet they are convinced they are permanent. There is lots of evidence that is the total opposite of what they claim, so they should have sources to back up what they say. Global plans for restrictions would require millions of people to implement, and there is no one who has said anything publicly? Not strange, eh?

Pinch Flat

EddieN75 wrote: »

No offense but this is yet another "I was looking at my mates FB page," . Is this the same mate that you keep referencing or are there more than one people and pages?

I used to work with a guy who is gone the same way. Lovely fellow but his wife left him and moved to the UK. Seemed to push him over the edge and his Facebook page is the same as your mate. Posting multiple times per hour.

Same mate. He's gone 100% covid and vaccine hard core. Other mutual friends on FB chip in on the posts with "100%" or "fact", so some others seem to be some way there. He's also a member of a few 5G and anti-lockdown down groups which I joined (and quickly left) for the crack. You can see how they're feeding off of each other and the fear and paranoia being whipped up is something.

My own opinion is going down a rabbit hole of conspiracy and disinformation is not good if you're suffering from anxiety or stressed about the situation. Although a lot of these so called truth seekers think they're warning us all deep down I'd say their afraid. Plug in the impact this has has on mental health.

PintOfView

foggiestyle wrote: »

I wrote that he said no to waiver the ip and he quite clearly did, Have you anything to support he didnt?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tropM4cajFw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ5DavuOkcM

https://theintercept.com/2021/03/24/covid-vaccine-stocks-biden-conflict/

Although he may be changing his tune now this came out yesterday ,

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/bill-melinda-gates-vaccine-waiver-b1843799.html

and i see on other media this morning ,governments all over the world are starting to support the ip to be waivered as is the pope. So hopefully it gets passed but this should of been done months ago imo.

Ok, now we have something talk about.

I don't know enough about vaccine production to know if Bill Gates is right when he says the problem is not patents.
However I don't think it's an open and shut case.
The French and Germans are also saying that sharing the IP is not the short term solution.
see --> https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/suspending-vaccine-patents-not-a-solution-to-supply-shortage-say-eu-leaders-1.4559475

Here are my observations:

There are already vaccine factories in India, and they have had licences to produce up to 4 different vaccines since last year
see --> https://www.statnews.com/2021/05/05/india-vaccine-heist-shoddy-regulatory-oversight-imperil-global-vaccine-access/
However they haven't produced the vaccines in volume yet.

It is not surprising that, even with licences, vaccine production can't be just turned on overnight.
This is not a kitchen producing cakes, and even industrial cake production is not a trivial process.
See this link, where one Indian facility is hoping to produce 75m doses / month from August
see --> https://www.reuters.com/world/india/indias-biological-e-begin-phase-iii-trial-vaccine-production-august-2021-05-07/

Some of the IP that the Indians want is for mRNA vaccines (that's from the first link you provided)
It's a bit ironic that some people who think mRNA will alter your DNA, or allow your mind to be controlled,
are now saying Bill Gates is bad because he won't share the recipe
(and Bill Gates doesn't have it, it'll be a big body of knowledge known to the teams in the companies who developed it)

Bill Gates has a lot of experience of vaccines.
If you think he's evil then of course you will discount what he says.
However I would hear him out and see what he has to say, as he may have valid points.

There are all sorts of other considerations that are not necessarily visible.
- The mRNA technology is new, and only US companies know how to use it so far.
If they share the technology for the Covid vaccine then China and Russia will get the tech
and the US companies will lose their competitive advantage for producing other medicines.
- Building a new vaccine production plant apparently takes 3 or 4 years
- The Pfizer vaccine requires 280 raw materials, sourced from 19 countries worldwide.
If they share their IP they say there will be competition for these raw materials
from entities with much less experience in producing the vaccine.
- etc., etc. (it would much longer to pull all the info relevant to this)

So in principle it seems a no brainer to waive patents, and tell everyone how to produce the vaccines
However in practice it's a lot more complicated!

The bottom line is that it's very easy for well resourced media channels (like your links)
to put out reports, with sound bites that keep their listeners engaged,
but their polished presenters don't necessarily give the full picture, or all the relevant context!

King Mob

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Would you consider having to get an anuual covid vaccine booster shot as a permanent measure?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/eu-secures-a-further-1-8-billion-doses-of-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-1.4559477%3fmode=amp

"The doses are for delivery between 2021 and 2023 and are intended for use by member states as booster shots against the illness and to allow for the vaccination of children and teenagers if approved by regulators"

https://abc6onyourside.com/amp/news/nation-world/abc6onyourside.com/news/nation-world/the-virus-is-not-going-away-moderna-pfizer-warn-of-need-for-vaccine-boosters

No, as the article you're quoting from doesn't say that. Nor does it say anything about people being forced to take these vaccines any more than they are to take the annual flu shots.

And we've never heard an explanation for such a measure that indicated a conspiracy or anything secret or sinister.

Why would I accept that as an example?

Parachutes

Fighting Tao wrote: »

Countless times they have been shown evidence that restrictions are lifted, yet they are convinced they are permanent. There is lots of evidence that is the total opposite of what they claim, so they should have sources to back up what they say. Global plans for restrictions would require millions of people to implement, and there is no one who has said anything publicly? Not strange, eh?

As devil’s advocate, I’d say it’s a bit more nuanced then that. Yes, certain restrictions have been lifted at different times throughout, but from April last year we have been living under one restriction or another and the way we interact with each other and live our lives have been fundamentally changed, no one thinks that social distancing, masks and doing things for “essential” reasons are going away anytime soon, so if their is ulterior motives apart from battling a disease such as having greater control on peoples movement or ability to live freely they have played a blinder.

Similar to how the US government used 9/11 as an excuse to spy on their own citizens and torture prisoners overseas. Any crisis brings opportunity. “Safety” has been used as an excuse for some of the worst things done by governments in history.

King Mob

Parachutes wrote: »

no one thinks that social distancing, masks and doing things for “essential” reasons are going away anytime soon, so if their is ulterior motives apart from battling a disease such as having greater control on peoples movement or ability to live freely they have played a blinder.

Ok. So what is the motive for forcing people to wear masks permanently?
What is the motive for forcing people to stay in lockdown permanently?

We've been asking this constantly for 300 pages and the only answer we get is stuff like the masks are part of a satanic magick thing or that the lockdowns are the start of the plan to install a global communist government.

These things are obviously nonsense and ridiculous. Yet there doesn't seem to be any other explanations that are actually reasonable.

Can you suggest any?
If not, doesn't that mean you can't make sense of it?

why then should we take the idea seriously when it doesn't make sense?

PintOfView

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Would you consider having to get an anuual covid vaccine booster shot as a permanent measure?

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/eu-secures-a-further-1-8-billion-doses-of-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-1.4559477%3fmode=amp

"The doses are for delivery between 2021 and 2023 and are intended for use by member states as booster shots against the illness and to allow for the vaccination of children and teenagers if approved by regulators"

https://abc6onyourside.com/amp/news/nation-world/abc6onyourside.com/news/nation-world/the-virus-is-not-going-away-moderna-pfizer-warn-of-need-for-vaccine-boosters

If you look at pandemics back through history, when no vaccines were available,
you had anything from 10% to 50% of the population dying
(90% in the case of Smallpox and natives of the Americas)

The people who didn't die had immune systems that allowed them to combat the various bugs, and survive.

If similar things happened today we could probably keep the 10% to 50% alive by vaccinating them
But those 10% or 50% might need vaccines boosters permanently
as they may not be able to combat the infections on their own.

We already vaccinate children against half a dozen harmful infections (which no longer occur).

So if the choice is between letting a (small) percentage of the population die, vs annual boosters,
what do you think would be the problem if people got an annual covid booster (like the flu jab)?

Guy:Incognito

My monday astro game is back on tomorrow at 8. How long will the owners of the pitches keep up the lie that its on because I read on this thread that all the restrictions are permanent so its not possible the game will be on...............

Parachutes

King Mob wrote: »

Ok. So what is the motive for forcing people to wear masks permanently?
What is the motive for forcing people to stay in lockdown permanently?

We've been asking this constantly for 300 pages and the only answer we get is stuff like the masks are part of a satanic magick thing or that the lockdowns are the start of the plan to install a global communist government.

These things are obviously nonsense and ridiculous. Yet there doesn't seem to be any other explanations that are actually reasonable.

Can you suggest any?
If not, doesn't that mean you can't make sense of it?

why then should we take the idea seriously when it doesn't make sense?

With lockdowns, we can only speculate.. most likely answer, in my opinion is that governments are simply inept and incompetent. Lockdown is simply the easiest way for them to appear to be doing something while absolving their responsibilities on everything else (the economy for example) they have gone and dug themselves a hole now of a perpetual cycle of lockdown-slight easing-lockdown again when cases go up. Travel restrictions serve as a great way to stop people protesting the actions of governments.

Masks are a good litmus test of public compliance and serve as a visual reminder for the average Joe Soap that a big, bad, deadly pandemic is going on.

PintOfView

Parachutes wrote: »

no one thinks that social distancing, masks and doing things for “essential” reasons are going away anytime soon

But that's not correct,
lots of people think that social distancing and masks and 'essential reasons' are going away once enough people are vaccinated!

Parachutes wrote: »

Similar to how the US government used 9/11 as an excuse to spy on their own citizens and torture prisoners overseas. Any crisis brings opportunity. “Safety” has been used as an excuse for some of the worst things done by governments in history.

There may be an element of truth in what you said there.
However isn't it that these governments are still reacting to what they perceive as ongoing threats?

If any virus related measures go on once sufficient numbers are vaccinated
it will need to be for demonstrable reasons,
and if those reasons exist then what's the problem?