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Munster vs CONNACHT match thread

  • 28-08-2020 11:57am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭


    Munster:
    Shane Daly; Andrew Conway, Chris Farrell, Damian de Allende, Keith Earls; JJ Hanrahan, Conor Murray; Jeremy Loughman, Niall Scannell, John Ryan; Fineen Wycherley, Tadhg Beirne; Peter O’Mahony (C), Chris Cloete, CJ Stander.

    Replacements: Kevin O’Byrne, Liam O’Connor, Stephen Archer, Billy Holland, Jack O’Donoghue, Craig Casey, Rory Scannell, Jack O’Sullivan.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭KBurke85




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    Fixed your title Thomond. Careful now ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Zzippy wrote: »
    Fixed your title Thomond. Careful now ;)

    Zzippy hates FrEe SpEeCh.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    I know interpros tend to be a bit tighter then the game on paper.

    But Munster should tear that Connacht team apart.

    Daly & Arnold Vs DdA & Farrell could be brutal.
    Poor Sammy used to struggle for size in Munsters centre against the big teams and now he could have the same problem against Munster.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭connachta


    For once Connacht pack (even on the bench) is as haevy as Munster's, should be interesting!

    Papali'i/Oliver is experimental, if it goes well.... Same for T.Daly/C.DeBuitlear.

    4 make or break. The rest is close to our best


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    connachta wrote: »
    For once Connacht pack (even on the bench) is as haevy as Munster's, shhould be interesting!

    Papali'i/Oliver is experimental, if it goes well.... Same for T.Daly/C.DeBuitlear.

    4 make or break. The rest is close to our best
    You are far too concerned with the weight of players. Bar a few exceptions a few kgs lighter isnt an issue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Papali'i has been set up to fail. The mocker gods have only to read the Connacht team thread for more than enough reason...


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭connachta


    You are far too concerned with the weight of players. Bar a few exceptions a few kgs lighter isnt an issue.




    Munster dominated Connacht in the past because of that.


    Even for centres, yeah DeA/Farell are monster, but Daly/Robb aren't shy either..


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭connachta


    Papali'i has been set up to fail. The mocker gods have only to read the Connacht team thread for more than enough reason...


    Papal'i will learn Stander what ball carrying means.
    Without doubt.
    The only concern is about lasting 60/80 minutes


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  • Subscribers Posts: 41,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    munster are gonna whoop that connacht team...

    the difference at the end of the game will depend on how quickly munster race to the TBP


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭rayd3


    connachta wrote: »
    Papal'i will learn Stander what ball carrying means.
    Without doubt.

    Do you think there is any better ball carrier in world rugby than Papal’i fella? Do Billy V or Vermeulen come close?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    With the complete retooling of the back five there are spots up for grabs. JOD and JOS will be itching for minutes.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭connachta


    rayd3 wrote: »
    Do you think there is any better ball carrier in world rugby than Papal’i fella? Do Billy V or Vermeulen come close?


    Billy, maybe.. tight call:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,336 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Tomtom364 wrote: »
    Poor Sammy used to struggle for size in Munsters centre against the big teams and now he could have the same problem against Munster.

    The same Sam Arnold who defended brilliantly against Nonu and Bastereud? He'll be fine.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭connachta


    The same Sam Arnold who defended brilliantly against Nonu and Bastereud? He'll be fine.




    DeAllende+Farrell 204 Kg
    Daly+Arnold 201 Kg


    Weight won't be an issue at least


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,846 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    Arnold was never shy in defense, what a load of bull. He just didn't get a good injury free run at Munster, but you can never deny the kid had heart in spades.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Richie_Rich89


    First choice players bolded

    v Ulster
    1. Denis Buckley
    2. Dave Heffernan
    3. Finlay Bealham
    4. Ultan Dillane
    5. Gavin Thornbury
    6. Eoghan Masterson
    7. Jarrad Butler
    8. Paul Boyle
    9. Kieran Marmion
    10. Jack Carty
    11. Alex Wootton
    12. Bundee Aki
    13. Tom Farrell
    14. Peter Sullivan
    15. John Porch (at 14)

    v Munster
    1. McAllister
    2. Delahunt
    3. Robertson-McCoy
    4. Murray
    5. Roux
    6. E Masterson
    7. Oliver
    8. Papali'i
    9. Blade
    10. Fitzgerald
    11. Healy
    12. Daly
    13. Arnold
    14. De Buitlear
    15. TOH

    Marmion/Blade and MacAllister/Buckley arguable. It makes sense to rotate and spread the gametime around, but I wonder what Friend's thinking was in selecting far more first choice players for the first fixture. Neither game had/has anything riding on it for Connacht as regards qualifying for anything.

    It's a reasonably good team but their chances could be improved massively by having the quality of Aki and Farrell in the centre. I can see Munster making hay down Tom Daly's channell all day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭connachta


    First choice players bolded

    v Ulster
    1. Denis Buckley
    2. Dave Heffernan
    3. Finlay Bealham
    4. Ultan Dillane
    5. Gavin Thornbury
    6. Eoghan Masterson
    7. Jarrad Butler
    8. Paul Boyle
    9. Kieran Marmion
    10. Jack Carty
    11. Alex Wootton
    12. Bundee Aki
    13. Tom Farrell
    14. Peter Sullivan
    15. John Porch (at 14)

    v Munster
    1. McAllister
    2. Delahunt
    3. Robertson-McCoy
    4. Murray
    5. Roux
    6. E Masterson
    7. Oliver
    8. Papali'i
    9. Blade
    10. Fitzgerald
    11. Healy
    12. Daly
    13. Arnold
    14. De Buitlear
    15. TOH

    Marmion/Blade and MacAllister/Buckley arguable. It makes sense to rotate and spread the gametime around, but I wonder what Friend's thinking was in selecting far more first choice players for the first fixture. Neither game had/has anything riding on it for Connacht as regards qualifying for anything.

    It's a reasonably good team but their chances could be improved massively by having the quality of Aki and Farrell in the centre. I can see Munster making hay down Tom Daly's channell all day.


    1. McAllister
    2. Delahunt
    3. Robertson-McCoy
    4. Murray
    5. Roux
    6. E Masterson
    9. Blade
    10. Fitzgerald
    11. Healy
    13. Arnold
    15. TOH


    Are all in contention for 1st choice spots
    Not even talking about unproven Papali'i


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,735 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    It makes sense to rotate and spread the gametime around, but I wonder what Friend's thinking was in selecting far more first choice players for the first fixture. Neither game had/has anything riding on it for Connacht as regards qualifying for anything.

    Probably an IRFU conspiracy. AMIRITE, Richie??


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Richie_Rich89


    aloooof wrote: »
    Probably an IRFU conspiracy. AMIRITE, Richie??

    The facts are there for everyone to look at. Draw your own conclusions.

    I actually think some of the non-first choice players are quality and could step up - the likes of Oliver, Delahunt. And in some cases the second choices are nipping at the heels of the first choices - Blade, Robertson-McCoy. But there's no getting away from the fact that far more of the players who would be selected to start a must-win game were playing last weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,448 ✭✭✭evil_seed


    Glorified friendly is all this is. Only hope is that Connacht come out injury free and with some pride. That's quite a strong Munster team for a glorified friendly IMO


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    aloooof wrote: »
    Probably an IRFU conspiracy. AMIRITE, Richie??

    IRFU clearly don’t hold any sway with Leinster :pac:


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,248 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    evil_seed wrote: »
    Glorified friendly is all this is. Only hope is that Connacht come out injury free and with some pride. That's quite a strong Munster team for a glorified friendly IMO

    It won't be a glorified friendly for Munster if Scarlets win tomorrow. Although the bookies currently have Munster at -17, so they're not expecting much from Connacht.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,728 ✭✭✭Former Former


    connachta wrote: »
    DeAllende+Farrell 204 Kg
    Daly+Arnold 201 Kg


    Weight won't be an issue at least

    I'm very skeptical of this statistic.


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    I'm very skeptical of this statistic.

    from someone obsessed about weight as well....


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Richie_Rich89


    Internet says:

    Daly 106kg
    Arnold 95kg
    de Allende 101kg
    Farrell 110kg


  • Subscribers Posts: 41,915 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    Internet says:

    Daly 106kg
    Arnold 95kg
    de Allende 101kg
    Farrell 110kg

    according to ultimate rugby de allande is 103
    wiki says hes 105
    munster squad site says hes 105
    ESPN says hes 105


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,800 ✭✭✭Tomtom364


    Arnold was never shy in defense, what a load of bull. He just didn't get a good injury free run at Munster, but you can never deny the kid had heart in spades.

    Never said he was shy in defence.
    It's more in attack he cannot impose himself against big opposition.

    Against strong teams, can think of clear examples against Leinster & Sarries in the last season, Arnold would hit a line hard up off a lineout, get stopped easily behind the gainline and Munster lose possession due to the forwards having to work around to the ruck.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 12,920 ✭✭✭✭stephen_n


    Tomtom364 wrote: »
    Never said he was shy in defence.
    It's more in attack he cannot impose himself against big opposition.

    Against strong teams, can think of clear examples against Leinster & Sarries in the last season, Arnold would hit a line hard up off a lineout, get stopped easily behind the gainline and Munster lose possession due to the forwards having to work around to the ruck.

    Maybe Connacht will have the good sense not to try use him as a battering ram so.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    The IRFU have just confirmed that all Covid testing in Connacht and Munster has produced zero positive results.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭yerrahbah


    Serious Jackal ability in that Munster team with Beirne, POM, Cloete and Stander

    Cloete has a chance to make the 7 jersey his own for the rest of this season (if tomorrow isn't our last match) with a big performance

    Thought we might have made a change in the back three to get minutes into other players

    Just a shame we wont see DdA vs Aki


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,166 ✭✭✭✭Zzippy


    yerrahbah wrote: »

    Just a shame we wont see DdA vs Aki

    I heard Munster asked IRFU to tell Connacht to rest Bundee. Bad enough losing Snyman last week, but they didn't want DDA broken too... ;)


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭connachta


    Zzippy wrote: »
    I heard Munster asked IRFU to tell Connacht to rest Bundee. Bad enough losing Snyman last week, but they didn't want DDA broken too... ;)




    South African rugby to be cut from 6 to... 8 provinces


    Sale Sharks, Montpelier, Saracens and Munster are joining the Union:cool:


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    So munster only need a LBP?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭yerrahbah


    So munster only need a LBP?

    Two match points.

    Scarlets are ahead by 1 point, but they have won more matches so would qualify if both teams ended on the same points


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    So munster only need a LBP?

    No, they need 2 points. If they lose, they'll need the LBP and 4 tries or the Scarlets progress.

    Given the respective line ups, it should all be very straightforward. The bookies currently have Munster as 17 point favourites.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Oh interesting. I thought it came down to points difference


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Oh interesting. I thought it came down to points difference

    Matches won. Hence Edinburgh already having topped the table also before this weekend.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,846 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    connachta wrote: »
    South African rugby to be cut from 6 to... 8 provinces


    Sale Sharks, Montpelier, Saracens and Munster are joining the Union:cool:

    Ah go on now. So cute :)
    I appreciate you're trying to have a go, but irony isn't your strong point is it?
    You really need to read some of the Munster vs Ladyboy threads for tips.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭connachta


    Ah go on now. So cute :)
    I appreciate you're trying to have a go, but irony isn't your strong point is it?
    You really need to read some of the Munster vs Ladyboy threads for tips.




    That's not irony.
    That's pointing out teams who have 50% of their XV who're Saffers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,846 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    connachta wrote: »
    That's not irony.
    That's pointing out teams who have 50% of their XV who're Saffers.

    From a fan of a team where other team's rejects go to die :) See what I did there?


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,258 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    You really need to read some of the Munster vs Ladyboy threads for tips.

    Nah. He doesn't.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,248 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    connachta wrote: »
    That's not irony.
    That's pointing out teams who have 50% of their XV who're Saffers.
    Munster have 6 saffers in the whole squad, never mind the half the XV.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭connachta


    Munster have 6 saffers in the whole squad, never mind the half the XV.




    Knox
    Kleyn
    Snyman
    Cloete
    Stander
    De Allende


    40% Ok, need one more to be admited by SANZAAR (who doesn't exist anymore though....)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Connacht won't have any players next year because they're going to be disbanded by the IRFU in a major conspiracy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,846 ✭✭✭shootermacg


    connachta wrote: »
    Knox
    Kleyn
    Snyman
    Cloete
    Stander
    De Allende


    40% Ok, need one more to be admited by SANZAAR (who doesn't exist anymore though....)

    Connacht is like the united nations of Rugby.
    Great for developing players for us though, so I won't complain. We'll be keeping an eye on Sammy and if he turns out OK we'll just have him back. Mightn't be long now until we give Dillane a shout as injury cover :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    It's difficult to see past a comfortable Munster win. The 17 point handicap feels about right. Connacht's starting XV isn't bad but you'd expect DDA and Farrell to have a big influence and Munster have plenty impact off the bench. Casey will hopefully get more minutes. It's a big opportunity for Wycherley at lock as Holland and Beirne are the likely starting lair next week as it stands.

    I'm looking forward to see how Conor Fitzgerald gets on. IIRC he had become the starter before getting injured in the RDS. He only turns 23 next month so is still young enough in his development.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭connachta


    Connacht is like the united nations of Rugby.
    Great for developing players for us though, so I won't complain. We'll be keeping an eye on Sammy and if he turns out OK we'll just have him back. Mightn't be long now until we give Dillane a shout as injury cover :)




    That's been 5 years you have wanted Aki and Dillane. They turn you down. Too bad. :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,969 ✭✭✭connachta


    It's difficult to see past a comfortable Munster win. Connacht's starting XV isn't bad but you'd expect DDA and Farrell to have a big influence and Munster have plenty impact off the bench.

    I'm looking forward to see how Fitzgerald gets on. IIRC he had become the starter before getting injured in the RDS. He only turns 23 next month so is still young enough in his development.




    T.Daly is indeed the key to a landslide for the Reds or a tight game


    Front-8 for Connacht is the most physical I've seen. They should match.

    Optimistic for back-3 too.


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