General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

8-10

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

If he wasn't punished in-game, does that mean action can still be taken against him afterward?

No because the VAR ref reviewed it and said no red.

My understanding is if the red or VAR ref see and judge the incident during the game there can't be retrospective action.

Listen it's the derby and you expect hard challenges but the 2 Everton lads today were disgraceful overly trying to hurt Virgil and Thiago and looks like they succeeded with both. And only one got punished.

8-10

Quazzie wrote: »

As a kid learning the game everyone is told to play to the whistle. Maybe try adopt that philosophy instead of constantly crying about some injustice or another.

There was no whistle for the van Dijk challenge. Flag stayed down until play was over

Turtyturd

Fromvert wrote: »

Would you rather teams not ask them to explain the decisions? I'm sure teams likely ask for explanations all the time.

If you read between the lines you’ll see what he’s not saying.

giveitholly

Quazzie wrote: »

As a kid learning the game everyone is told to play to the whistle. Maybe try adopt that philosophy instead of constantly crying about some injustice or another.

How exactly did liverpool not play to the whistle today?

Fromvert

Quazzie wrote: »

As a kid learning the game everyone is told to play to the whistle. Maybe try adopt that philosophy instead of constantly crying about some injustice or another.

And everyone still does. But you can still question the decisions. It's an odd world you are looking to live in if asking for explanations is crying.

yourdeadwright

rob316 wrote: »

Couldn't be his ACL he walked off fairly ok. I'm fairly sure you can't walk off after doing your ACL

You can walk with an anterior ACl injury

8-10

yourdeadwright wrote: »

You can walk with an anterior ACl injury

The A in ACL = anterior

Quazzie

giveitholly wrote: »

How exactly did liverpool not play to the whistle today?

Refs decision is final. The ref (including VAR) made their decision today. Liverpool doing what they're doing now is akin to a team surrounding the ref after the game demanding he explain himself. Take it on the chin and move on. The referees decision is final.

Bridge93

My issue with offside in particular is the rule and it’s application under VAR are from too different eras. The rule wasn’t designed with this micro analysis ability in mind.
Like its May be technically right today I haven’t looked properly, but nobody can convince me those offsides being called are good for the game

Pickford one is just bizarre how it was let slide. No doubt some deep hidden clause will give them a cop out

Was said plenty of times last year that these things even out over a season and as a whole it’s been better for the game. It’s application just hasn’t worked so far and needs to be really looked at.

VAR is simply a camera, I’ve no issue with it. It’s the way it’s being used, when it’s used and how it’s interpreted that are the problem

DM_7

Quazzie wrote: »

As a kid learning the game everyone is told to play to the whistle. Maybe try adopt that philosophy instead of constantly crying about some injustice or another.

Mod: I am not sure what you expect by going in this direction but I am not sure complaining about people complaining about controversial decisions has merit.

Lets discuss the thread topic and incidents please

citytillidie

8-10 wrote: »

Astonishing that you can scissor challenge an opposition player like that, not get anywhere near the ball, bend his knee back, tear his ACL, end his season and not get carded for it.

It was, and still is, a shocking decision.

But he said sorry so its okay in the eyes of some :rolleyes:

Quazzie

Arsenal looking a lot better in the second half, but City still look comfortable defending.

citytillidie

8-10 wrote: »

There was no whistle for the van Dijk challenge. Flag stayed down until play was over

If you see the replay from behind the touch line you can see where the ref blows his whistle, after the reckless challenge from Pickford

Shanotheslayer

citytillidie wrote: »

But he said sorry so its okay in the eyes of some :rolleyes:

Netx time he should just jump out of the way of the goal to let VVD score.

mightyreds

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Netx time he should just jump out of the way of the goal to let VVD score.

There's quite a difference in defending the goal and what he did.

citytillidie

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Netx time he should just jump out of the way of the goal to let VVD score.

There is a difference from challenging for the ball and being reckless

Lucas Hood

rob316 wrote: »

Couldn't be his ACL he walked off fairly ok. I'm fairly sure you can't walk off after doing your ACL

Of course you can walk with an acl injury. A lot of people don't even need to get surgery to fix them.

Fromvert

Quazzie wrote: »

Refs decision is final. The ref (including VAR) made their decision today. Liverpool doing what they're doing now is akin to a team surrounding the ref after the game demanding he explain himself. Take it on the chin and move on. The referees decision is final.

Liverpool aren't contesting the result. They're asking why were those decisions made.

Refs are asked all the time how they're interpreting the rules. And being asked questions can sometimes lead to rule changes.

8-10

citytillidie wrote: »

But he said sorry so its okay in the eyes of some :rolleyes:

referee's decision is final apparently. Even when it's the same VAR referee who didn't send off Gio Lo Celso for stamping on Azpilicueta lest we forget:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-8042129/VAR-David-Coote-omitted-Premier-League-matches-weekend.html

Oh yeah and he admitted it was wrong and he got dropped from a round of games.

This isn't like the Henry handball with the FAI where Liverpool are writing a letter demanding an extra 2pts or whatever.

Bridge93

So the narrative now I see is that Everton went out to injure players? Think that’s a bit unlikely now if we’re all being honest. Pickford and Richarlison were both bad challenges but I would be stunned if they were intentional. For one, Pickford was trying to keep the ball out

Fitz*

rob316 wrote: »

Couldn't be his ACL he walked off fairly ok. I'm fairly sure you can't walk off after doing your ACL

Lucas done his cruciate against Chelsea but played on for a few minutes before going off injured.

super_furry

https://twitter.com/RobOHanrahan/status/1317519468512378880?s=20

What the hell is Aguero playing at here?

Bridge93

rob316 wrote: »

Couldn't be his ACL he walked off fairly ok. I'm fairly sure you can't walk off after doing your ACL

I did mine in a rugby game and could walk off. It can be quite sore but certainly doesn’t leave you in agony on the ground

8-10

Bridge93 wrote: »

So the narrative now I see is that Everton went out to injure players? Think that’s a bit unlikely now if we’re all being honest. Pickford and Richarlison were both bad challenges but I would be stunned if they were intentional. For one, Pickford was trying to keep the ball out

Richarlison was absolutely intentional. You do that by accident you don't act like he did after.

Pickford wasnt intentionally trying to hurt him but he knew he wasn't getting near the ball so I definitely think he meant to hit the man, you still should be punished for that challenge in my view

Agent Coulson

It feels like PGMOL think they are infallible in general as they very rarely if ever actually talk about wrong refereeing decisions and refuse to let there referees talk publicly.

Maybe if a few more club actually asked officially for reasons these decisions were made and PGMOL were more open to discussing these decisions then all fans, players and media might be more understanding of the job they do.

DM_7

Bridge93 wrote: »

So the narrative now I see is that Everton went out to injure players? Think that’s a bit unlikely now if we’re all being honest. Pickford and Richarlison were both bad challenges but I would be stunned if they were intentional. For one, Pickford was trying to keep the ball out

Pickford's tackle is one more forgivable/understandable. The end result should have been a red for dangerous play but as a keeper he did what he is trained to do. I think his focus was on blocking and not to get the ball.

Not so sure what Richarlison was thinking. That was awful.

McFly85

Bridge93 wrote: »

So the narrative now I see is that Everton went out to injure players? Think that’s a bit unlikely now if we’re all being honest. Pickford and Richarlison were both bad challenges but I would be stunned if they were intentional. For one, Pickford was trying to keep the ball out

Pickford and Richarlison were reckless and deserved red cards. Saying they didn’t mean it is no excuse.

RasTa

Should be a 3 match ban no?

https://twitter.com/gunnerblog/status/1317516723264851971

giveitholly

RasTa wrote: »

Should be a 3 match ban no?

https://twitter.com/gunnerblog/status/1317516723264851971

Was just about to post,surely a retrospective ban,can't put your hands on an official

Shanotheslayer

mightyreds wrote: »

There's quite a difference in defending the goal and what he did.

citytillidie wrote: »

There is a difference from challenging for the ball and being reckless

He was challenging it was just a sh1te challenge.

Richarlisons was far worse