General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

citytillidie

Baggly wrote: »

Things im looking forward to this year in this thread;

• The table that does showing which team is on which points level (thats a bad description but you know the one)
• Non-tribal bantz
• PLENTY of Fulham chat (its mostly gonna be commiserating / slagging but sure what can you do)
• Someone posts a pic of something we all agree with and we still find a way to debate it

Things im not looking forward to this year in this thread;

• Net spend chat
• My da' could beat up your da'; Manager edition
• Someone saying the league isnt competitive for whatever convoluted reason (most lkely by matchday 2)

That table will not be produced until after 10 games unless there is a demand for it before that.

yourdeadwright

RasTa wrote: »

An English football crowd is laughable describing it as a tough place due to the fans. I'd say Palace have the loudest fans in the PL but if you want a mad atmosphere look at the Turks or South Americans etc.

Pretty much all European football grounds would be more lively than English.

Your correct and thankfully so as football has changed n England to become safer for fans and families .

But still doesn't change the fact in England some places are tougher to visit than others ,

pjohnson

citytillidie wrote: »

That table will not be produced until after 10 games unless there is a demand for it before that.

Ah I get not the first few but after 5 games instead maybe? 10 is a long time.

RasTa

yourdeadwright wrote: »

Your correct and thankfully so as football has changed n England to become safer for fans and families .

But still doesn't change the fact in England some places are tougher to visit than others ,

What's that got to do your claim of City play with less emotion and won't be affected?

Anfield is one of the quite grounds in the PL

adaminho

citytillidie wrote: »

That table will not be produced until after 10 games unless there is a demand for it before that.

I want it now just to see Leeds in it :pac:

Shanotheslayer

West Ham and Man United have really tough starts.

Could see the hammers in for a long season if they don't pick up early unexpected point's

brinty

pjohnson wrote:

Ah I get not the first few but after 5 games instead maybe? 10 is a long time.

Will there be an asterik beside United and city for games in hand

Champions v Leeds opener :cool:

Can't wait

yourdeadwright

RasTa wrote: »

What's that got to do your claim of City play with less emotion and won't be affected?

Anfield is one of the quite grounds in the PL

Its not quite during the big games which was my claim see United and City last season , The City home game has been hugely important the last two season ,

And yes I do believe City play with less emotion in the game hence why there the best side at keeping the ball in England we have probably ever seen ,

Also don't forget I'm only talking about Liverpool and City as I think they are the only two capable of wining it next year

brinty

6 wrote:

Champions v Champions opener

FYP

LuckyLloyd

brinty wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing with you here but if a team needs fans to perform that's a pretty damning statement. Not levelling this at Liverpool it applies to all but I'm truly baffled if players can't do a job they're highly paid for because there's no one there singing or applauding them.

Claiming one team will perform better than another in the same circumstances is a bit of a stretch. Get a grip of yourselves. And the conditions are the same for everyone so there's no advantage.

As for this Anfield crowd means more. Don't make me sick. Every teams crowd is great when they're winning and poor when they're losing. You don't need to respond on this cos saying anything more, I've my views and you won't change them.

There is a huge sample size of European games down through the years that indicate a packed Anfield is a huge advantage for Liverpool. You can have your views, you are entitled to be wrong.

Shanotheslayer

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

There is a huge sample size of European games down through the years that indicate a packed Anfield is a huge advantage for Liverpool. You can have your views, you are entitled to be wrong.

The key words there are European games

gimli2112

brinty wrote: »

I'm not disagreeing with you here but if a team needs fans to perform that's a pretty damning statement.

I've never understood this and agree. Not recently but in years gone by Liverpool had been strong at home and absolute dirt away. It makes no sense to me that a team plays entirely different away from home but it seems to happen.

LuckyLloyd

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

The key words there are European games

Well sure, I pointed to an inarguable truth. So we know (even Brinty does, bless him) that a full Anfield is an advantage for Liverpool in certain circumstances.

The next level of the conversation is to take a fixture like Liverpool / City in the league last year. Does anyone really want to argue Anfield wasn’t a contributor to the result?

RasTa

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well sure, I pointed to an inarguable truth. So we know (even Brinty does, bless him) that a full Anfield is an advantage for Liverpool in certain circumstances.

The next level of the conversation is to take a fixture like Liverpool / City in the league last year. Does anyone really want to argue Anfield wasn’t a contributor to the result?

Yes, even us and Norwich beat City at home. You know yourself the atmosphere in the PL isn't great. City where awful away last season.

Shanotheslayer

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Well sure, I pointed to an inarguable truth. So we know (even Brinty does, bless him) that a full Anfield is an advantage for Liverpool in certain circumstances.

The next level of the conversation is to take a fixture like Liverpool / City in the league last year. Does anyone really want to argue Anfield wasn’t a contributor to the result?

No clue as I can't even remember.

Weekly games are standard. I don't think the crowd make any huge difference personally. Then for big games and occassions I think they play a very small part.

Going by the logic that fans play a big part would indicate that sh1ter teams will do better because of less pressure from fans

yourdeadwright

Just to expand, I was only speaking about Liverpool and City as there the only two I think can win it
I also think the big games will most likely be the difference
I think City are best suited to them games with no fans because they play with less emotion (which is not a bad thing)
So in conclusion I think Liverpool will suffer more of the two in home games of having no fans
I think City will likely win the league

Fitz*

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Going by the logic that fans play a big part would indicate that sh1ter teams will do better because of less pressure from fans

Well, the opposite I think.

The lower table teams would perform better in from of their fans, when games are tighter IMO.

Imagine a team like Palace, Burnley, Brighton, Villa etc 1-0 up at home in a game against a rival or even a top 6 team. The fans will drive the players on and create a tougher atmosphere in order to try get their team over the line and win the points. The same goes if they are a goal down and fighting for a point etc. A ball goes out for a corner and next thing the whole stand behind the goal gets excited. It does add to to the tension. Some teams do rely on emotion a bit. Stoke did a lot, under Pulis.

I think lower table teams will do worse without fans, and teams like Man City who dominate the ball will find it easier. Man City won't get intimidated by an empty stadium away from home defending a corner but there is a chance that they would in a full Villa Park on a Monday night.

8-10

Talisman wrote: »

West Ham really got shat upon with the opening fixtures.

Newcastle (H)
Arsenal (A)
Wolves (H)
Leicester (A)
Tottenham (A)
Man City (H)
Liverpool (A)

Haha take that Karren Brady!

"the Premier League, will have to be cancelled and this season declared null and void because if the players can’t play the games can’t go ahead"

8-10

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

There is a huge sample size of European games down through the years that indicate a packed Anfield is a huge advantage for Liverpool.

In Europe, yes, not sure how people could think otherwise, it's literally always mentioned when we play big European games at home and there's a significant number of examples.

But the PL is not the same. Not by a long long way. Crowd is rarely a factor and is regularly disappointing at Anfield.

LuckyLloyd

8-10 wrote: »

In Europe, yes, not sure how people could think otherwise, it's literally always mentioned when we play big European games at home and there's a significant number of examples.

But the PL is not the same. Not by a long long way. Crowd is rarely a factor and is regularly disappointing at Anfield.

I'd say it makes no difference in as many as 15 of the 19 league games. But there's 12 points to play for in the ones it does, and they're likely to be very significant this year.

DVDM93

European & the big Premier League games like City & United this season for example, yes.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11669/11752599/pep-guardiola-says-anfield-is-like-no-other-stadium-in-the-world

the rest not so much.

Harry Palmr

Arsenal continue the redundancy and redeployment programme.

https://twitter.com/TheAthleticUK/status/1296548938858799107?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1296548938858799107%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fs9e.github.io%2Fiframe%2Ftwitter.min.html1296548938858799107

citytillidie

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Saturday 19th September 2020 Chelsea (a) Wolves (a) Palace Liverpool Burnley Southampton (a) Man City West Ham Villa (a) Leicester (a)
Saturday 26th September 2020 Arsenal Leicester Brighton (a) WBA (a) Man City (a) Newcastle West Ham (a) Liverpool (a) Leeds Southampton
Saturday 3rd October 2020 Villa (a) Leeds (a) Spurs Palace West Ham Man Utd (a) Fulham Sheff Utd Arsenal (a) Newcastle (a)
Saturday 17th October 2020 Everton (a) Arsenal Newcastle (a) Southampton Villa West Ham Leeds (a) Man City (a) Fulham WBA (a)
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Thursday 22nd October 2020 EL MD 1 EL MD 1 EL MD 1
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Thursday 29th October 2020 EL MD 2 EL MD 2 EL MD 2
Saturday 31st October 2020 West Ham Sheff Utd (a) Arsenal Burnley (a) Leeds (a) Brighton Palace Man Utd (a) Man City Chelsea
Tuesday 3rd November 2020 UCL MD 3 UCL MD 3 UCL MD 3 UCL MD 3
Thursday 5th November 2020 EL MD 3 EL MD 3 EL MD 3
Saturday 7th November 2020 Man City (a) Liverpool Everton Sheff Utd Wolves WBA (a) Leicester (a) Villa Chelsea (a) Brighton (a)
Saturday 21st November 2020 Leicester Spurs (a) WBA Newcastle (a) Liverpool (a) Man City Southampton Leeds (a) West Ham Palace
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Thursday 26th November 2020 EL MD 4 EL MD 4 EL MD 4
Saturday 28th November 2020 Brighton (a) Burnley Southampton (a) Spurs Fulham Chelsea (a) Arsenal (a) Wolves WBA (a) Man City (a)
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Thursday 3rd December 2020 EL MD 5 EL MD 5 EL MD 5
Saturday 5th December 2020 Wolves Fulham West Ham (a) Leeds Sheff Utd (a) Arsenal Liverpool (a) Spurs (a) Leicester Everton
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Thursday 10th December 2020 EL MD 6 EL MD 6 EL MD 6
Saturday 12th December 2020 Fulham (a) Man Utd (a) Man City Everton (a) Brighton Palace (a) Villa Burnley Southampton (a) Arsenal (a)
Wednesday 16th December 2020 Spurs WBA Sheff Utd (a) Wolves (a) Everton Liverpool (a) Chelsea Southampton Man Utd Villa (a)
Saturday 19th December 2020 Palace (a) Southampton (a) Leeds West Ham Spurs (a) Leicester Burnley (a) Everton (a) Brighton (a) Wolves
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Saturday 2nd January 2021 Southampton (a) Chelsea (a) Villa Man City Newcastle (a) Leeds Brighton (a) WBA (a) Palace (a) Fulham
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Saturday 13th February 2021 Leicester (a) Spurs WBA (a) Newcastle Liverpool Man City (a) Southampton (a) Leeds West Ham (a) Palace (a)
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Tuesday 9th March 2021 UCL RD 16 UCL RD 16 UCL RD 16 UCL RD 16
Thursday 11th March 2021 EL RD 16 EL RD 16 EL RD 16
Saturday 13th March 2021 Wolves (a) Fulham (a) West Ham Leeds (a) Sheff Utd Arsenal (a) Liverpool Spurs Leicester (a) Everton (a)
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Thursday 18th March 2021 EL RD 16 EL RD 16 EL RD 16
Saturday 20th March 2021 Chelsea Wolves Palace (a) Liverpool (a) Burnley (a) Southampton Man City (a) West Ham (a) Villa Leicester
Saturday 3rd April 2021 Arsenal (a) Leicester (a) Brighton WBA Man City Newcastle (a) West Ham Liverpool Leeds (a) Southampton (a)
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Thursday 8th April 2021 EL QF EL QF EL QF
Saturday 10th April 2021 Villa Leeds Spurs (a) Palace (a) West Ham (a) Man Utd Fulham (a) Sheff Utd (a) Arsenal Newcastle
Tuesday 13th April 2021 UCL QF UCL QF UCL QF UCL QF
Thursday 15th April 2021 EL QF EL QF EL QF
Saturday 17th April 2021 Leeds (a) Villa (a) Burnley Brighton WBA Everton (a) Sheff Utd Fulham Wolves (a) Man Utd (a)
Saturday 24th April 2021 Newcastle Southampton Leeds (a) West Ham (a) Palace Fulham (a) Burnley Everton Brighton Wolves (a)
Tuesday 27th April 2021 UCL SF UCL SF UCL SF UCL SF
Thursday 29th April 2021 EL SF EL SF EL SF
Saturday 1st May 2021 Man Utd (a) Palace (a) Liverpool Fulham Southampton (a) Sheff Utd WBA (a) Newcastle (a) Spurs West Ham
Tuesday 4th May 2021 UCL SF UCL SF UCL SF UCL SF
Thursday 6th May 2021 EL SF EL SF EL SF
Saturday 8th May 2021 Southampton Chelsea Villa (a) Man City (a) Newcastle Leeds (a) Brighton WBA Palace Fulham (a)
Wednesday 12th May 2021 WBA (a) Newcastle (a) Leicester Arsenal Man Utd (a) Wolves Spurs (a) Chelsea (a) Evertpm (a) Leeds
Saturday 15th May 2021 Burnley (a) Brighton (a) Fulham (a) Leicester Chelsea (a) Villa Everton (a) Palace (a) Newcastle (a) Liverpool
Sunday 23rd May 2021 Palace Everton Wolves (a) Villa (a) Spurs Leicester (a) Man Utd Brighton Burnley Sheff Utd (a)
Wednesday 26th May 2021 EL Final EL Final EL Final
Saturday 29th May 2021 UCL Final UCL Final UCL Final UCL Final


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Saturday 12th September 2020 Palace (a) Spurs (a) West Ham (a) Southampton Chelsea Newcastle Man City (a) Liverpool (a) Leicester Arsenal
Saturday 19th September 2020 Spurs WBA Brighton Man Utd (a) Newcastle (a) Arsenal (a) Sheff Utd Fulham Everton (a) Leeds (a)
Saturday 26th September 2020 Burnley (a) Palace (a) Spurs (a) Everton Man Utd Wolves Fulham (a) Sheff Utd (a) Chelsea Villa
Saturday 3rd October 2020 WBA Brighton Burnley Chelsea (a) Everton (a) Leicester (a) Liverpool Man City Southampton (a) Wolves (a)
Saturday 17th October 2020 Chelsea (a) Liverpool Man Utd Brighton Palace (a) Spurs (a) Leicester (a) Wolves Burnley Sheff Utd (a)
Saturday 24th October 2020 Everton Southampton (a) Wolves (a) Fulham (a) WBA Man City Leeds Villa (a) Brighton (a) Palace
Saturday 31st October 2020 Villa (a) Newcastle (a) Everton Wolves (a) Spurs (a) Liverpool (a) Southampton Leicester Fulham (a) WBA
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Saturday 28th November 2020 Man Utd Leeds Palace (a) Newcastle Liverpool Villa West Ham (a) Everton (a) Sheff Utd Leicester (a)
Saturday 5th December 2020 Brighton (a) Burnley (a) Villa (a) WBA (a) Southampton Man Utd Newcastle Chelsea (a) Palace Man City (a)
Saturday 12th December 2020 Sheff Utd Chelsea WBA Spurs Leicester (a) Leeds (a) Wolves (a) West Ham Newcastle (a) Liverpool
Wednesday 16th December 2020 Arsenal (a) Leicester (a) Leeds (a) West Ham (a) Fulham (a) Palace Burnley Newcastle Man City (a) Brighton
Saturday 19th December 2020 Man City Arsenal Fulham Liverpool Sheff Utd Chelsea (a) WBA (a) Man Utd (a) Villa Newcastle (a)
Saturday 26th December 2020 Fulham (a) Sheff Utd (a) Man City (a) Villa (a) West Ham (a) Brighton Palace Burnley Liverpool (a) Southampton
Monday 28th December 2020 West Ham Man City Liverpool Leicester Arsenal Southampton (a) Chelsea (a) WBA (a) Leeds Spurs (a)
Saturday 2nd January 2021 Liverpool West Ham Leicester Sheff Utd Wolves Everton (a) Man Utd (a) Spurs (a) Arsenal Burnley (a)
Wednesday 13th January 2021 Leeds (a) Wolves (a) Sheff Utd (a) Arsenal (a) Man City (a) WBA Spurs Southampton West Ham (a) Man Utd
Saturday 16th January 2021 Leicester (a) Villa (a) Arsenal (a) Man City (a) Leeds (a) Burnley Everton Brighton Wolves (a) Chelsea
Wednesday 27th January 2021 Arsenal Leicester Leeds West Ham Fulham Palace (a) Burnley (a) Newcastle (a) Man City Brighton
Saturday 30th January 2021 Villa Newcastle Everton (a) Wolves Spurs Liverpool Southampton (a) Leicester (a) Fulham WBA (a)
Wednesday 3rd February 2021 Man Utd (a) Leeds (a) Palace Newcastle (a) Liverpool (a) Villa (a) West Ham Everton Sheff Utd (a) Leicester (a)
Saturday 6th February 2021 Newcastle (a) Man Utd (a) Southampton Leeds (a) Burnley (a) Fulham (a) Arsenal Palace Spurs (a) West Ham
Saturday 13th February 2021 Wolves Fulham Chelsea (a) Burnley Villa Sheff Utd Brighton Arsenal (a) Man Utd Everton (a)
Saturday 20th February 2021 Chelsea Liverpool (a) Man Utd (a) Brighton (a) Palace Spurs Leicester Wolves (a) Burnley (a) Sheff Utd
Saturday 27th February 2021 Everton (a) Southampton Wolves Fulham WBA (a) Man City (a) Leeds (a) Villa Brighton Palace
Saturday 6th March 2021 Sheff Utd (a) Chelsea (a) WBA (a) Spurs (a) Leicester Leeds Wolves West Ham (a) Newcastle Liverpool (a)
Saturday 13th March 2021 Brighton Burnley Villa WBA Southampton Man Utd (a) Newcastle (a) Chelsea (a) Palace Man City
Saturday 20th March 2021 Spurs WBA (a) Brighton (a) Man Utd Newcastle Arsenal Sheff Utd (a) Fulham (a) Everton Leeds
Saturday 3rd April 2021 Burnley Palace Spurs Everton (a) Man Utd (a) Wolves (a) Fulham Sheff Utd Chelsea (a) Villa (a)
Saturday 10th April 2021 WBA (a) Brighton (a) Burnley (a) Chelsea Everton Leicester Liverpool (a) Man City (a) Southampton Wolves
Saturday 17th April 2021 Palace Spurs West Ham Southampton (a) Chelsea (a) Newcastle (a) Man City Liverpool Leicester (a) Arsenal
Saturday 24th April 2021 Man City (a) Arsenal Liverpool (a) Leicester Sheff Utd (a) Chelsea WBA Man Utd Villa (a) Spurs
Saturday 1st May 2021 Leicester Villa Arsenal Man City Leeds Burnley (a) Everton (a) Brighton (a) Wolves Chelsea (a)
Saturday 8th May 2021 Liverpool (a) West Ham (a) Leicester (a) Sheff Utd (a) Wolves (a) Everton Man Utd Spurs Arsenal (a) Burnley
Wednesday 12th May 2021 Fulham Sheff Utd Man City Villa West Ham Brighton (a) Palace (a) Burnley (a) Liverpool Southampton
Saturday 15th May 2021 Leeds Wolves Sheff Utd Arsenal Man City WBA (a) Spurs (a) Southampton West Ham Man Utd
Sunday 23rd May 2021 West Ham (a) Man City (a) Fulham (a) Liverpool (a) Arsenal (a) Southampton Chelsea WBA Leeds (a) Newcastle

marklazarcovic

Quote it and die !

Wuff Wuff

marklazarcovic wrote: »

it

so im gonna die?

Baggly

Wuff Wuff wrote:

so im gonna die?

We all will eventually

*exhales smoke from French cigarette*

RasTa

I hope to never see a list like that again.

Baggly

RasTa wrote: »

I hope to never see a list like that again.

Too real for you?

ArmaniJeanss

dubmick wrote: »

bit silly going back to normal tv schedule for the new season with empty stadiums

Interestingly according to the Mail, Sky/BT were offered more games but turned them down as too pricey. I guess there's diminishing returns when you get to the games which would be 7th/8th choice on a game week - they just aren't going to drive subscriptions enough to justify £7M a game or whatever the fee was.

adaminho wrote: »

Any idea when the tv schedule is out? I know Chelsea and Wolves games have to be on the Monday at the earliest.

Sky reckon early next week.