General Premier League Thread 2020-21 - Mod Notes in 1st post. [Updated 17/12/20]

ShamoBuc

chicorytip wrote: »

I agree with your point of view. Pickford is not the type who will intentionally injure an opponent. It was just poor goalkeeping. At first viewing it looked far worse than it was and Van Dijk is not seriously injured. He would not have been able to walk off the pitch unaided if he were.

Not actually sure how to respond to such a statement.
Seriously?

j8wk2feszrnpao

ShamoBuc wrote: »

Not actually sure how to respond to such a statement.
Seriously?

It’s a message board, tough to tell the age of people on here. May not have the knowledge of the topic. At one stage I would have thought walking off = not serious. But I’ve seen those injuries in multiple sports, it means nothing to walk off.

Agent Coulson

You will have those who say Pickford is not the type who will intentionally injure an opponent.

However Pickford has history and a history of not being punished for reckless tackles.

noodler

Tbf I'd also generally have been of the view that walking off bodes better than having to be carried off bit accept there seems to be a different issue at play with this suspected injury.

TitianGerm

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Pickford has history and a history of not being punished for reckless tackles.

He did it playing for England recently enough as well. He's going to badly break someone's leg eventually.

~Rebel~

davemckenna25 wrote: »

My initial comment which has sparked off so much debate was "Just seen the Pickford incident there this morning, looked more like an awkward coming together than a malicious challenge, Can't understand the outrage."

I still stand by it, I don't think Pickford went out with intent to harm VD, he went to block a ball and had an awkward collision with him.
Was outcome unfortunate for Liverpool... Yes.
Did Pickford set out with malice, intending to injure VD... Only Pickford knows but I don't think so.

The outrage is not over the intent, it was over the action, and the lack of penalisation. I don't think it was intentional, I do think it was reckless, dangerous, and negligent.

~Rebel~

chicorytip wrote: »

I agree with your point of view. Pickford is not the type who will intentionally injure an opponent. It was just poor goalkeeping. At first viewing it looked far worse than it was and Van Dijk is not seriously injured. He would not have been able to walk off the pitch unaided if he were.

Unfortunately that's not how cruciate ligaments work. It's common enough to do your ACL and still be able to walk. Try to push off it from the side though, and your leg will buckle.

Shanotheslayer

~Rebel~ wrote: »

The outrage is not over the intent, it was over the action, and the lack of penalisation. I don't think it was intentional, I do think it was reckless, dangerous, and negligent.

The outage is because none of the above Rebel. The outage is because VVD could be out long term and is a crucial player to Liverpool

There wouldn't be half as much noise about this if he wasn't injured. Players get away with sh1te tackles weekly and all of a sudden this one is different.

Mars Bar

You shouldn't put a hand on an official and any sanction you get for it is warranted. But it is up to the referee at the end of the day. It's a little aggressive that he pulls her towards him. I'd be terribly uncomfortable in that situation and very, very upset.

But I honestly have a much bigger problem with Pep's comments afterwards. Aguero is a "nice guy" so would never have meant harm apparently. What about a few of those "nice guy" fathers and committed and valued members of whatever local club or church in this country who went on to murder their families?

Why do "nice guys" think they can get away with what they want with a woman? Because of comments such as Pep's. Pep can go and ****ing do one.

~Rebel~

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

The outage is because none of the above Rebel. The outage is because VVD could be out long term and is a crucial player to Liverpool

There wouldn't be half as much noise about this if he wasn't injured. Players get away with sh1te tackles weekly and all of a sudden this one is different.

Ah this was fairly unique in fairness - 2 feet off the ground, scissoring into a players standing leg above the knee.

It was one of those that made me feel a bit ill to see on each replay, and that was when I thought he was just taken off as a precaution.

The talk of a cruciate came hours later - the initial outrage was very much about the tackle rather than the repercussions we didn't know about yet.

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This is not what your average bad tackle looks like;

El Gato De Negocios

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

The outage is because none of the above Rebel. The outage is because VVD could be out long term and is a crucial player to Liverpool

There wouldn't be half as much noise about this if he wasn't injured. Players get away with sh1te tackles weekly and all of a sudden this one is different.

Yip, if it was someone like Lovren that got hurt there wouldn't be half the kerfuffle there has been. Reckless and dangerous for sure, should have been a straight red for sure, but it does happen in the game.

NomadicGray

Mars Bar wrote: »

You shouldn't put a hand on an official and any sanction you get for it is warranted. But it is up to the referee at the end of the day. It's a little aggressive that he pulls her towards him. I'd be terribly uncomfortable in that situation and very, very upset.

But I honestly have a much bigger problem with Pep's comments afterwards. Aguero is a "nice guy" so would never have meant harm apparently. What about a few of those "nice guy" fathers and committed and valued members of whatever local club or church in this country who went on to murder their families?

Why do "nice guys" think they can get away with what they want with a woman? Because of comments such as Pep's. Pep can go and ****ing do one.

You talk such muck

Shanotheslayer

Mars Bar wrote: »

You shouldn't put a hand on an official and any sanction you get for it is warranted. But it is up to the referee at the end of the day. It's a little aggressive that he pulls her towards him. I'd be terribly uncomfortable in that situation and very, very upset.

But I honestly have a much bigger problem with Pep's comments afterwards. Aguero is a "nice guy" so would never have meant harm apparently. What about a few of those "nice guy" fathers and committed and valued members of whatever local club or church in this country who went on to murder their families?

Why do "nice guys" think they can get away with what they want with a woman? Because of comments such as Pep's. Pep can go and ****ing do one.

Didn't a player put his hand on Howard Webb before and he just looked at him sternly and walked away?

I don't agree with what Aguero did but at the end of the day needs to be treated the same across both sexes. The whole '' he wouldn't do it if it was a male'' it's an impossible argument.

If putting your hands on an official is a red card offense the linesperson should of flagged the ref and then the player should be sent off. I assume this wasn't done. Why?

SlickRic

I'm quite comfortable in saying the Kane/Son tandem is the best duo around right now.

Kane's metamorphosis into a hybrid of Lewandowski and KDB is fúcking mind-bending.

TitianGerm

El Gato De Negocios wrote: »

Yip, if it was someone like Lovren that got hurt there wouldn't be half the kerfuffle there has been. Reckless and dangerous for sure, should have been a straight red for sure, but it does happen in the game.

One of the last serious injury from a bad tackle happening to a Liverpool player that stands out to me was when Funes Mores broke Origis ankle with an over the ball tackle and there was just as much outrage to the VVD one.

Mars Bar

She should have raised it and had him sent off. It's the rules.

I'm not arguing that Aguero wouldn't have done it if the linesperson was male. He might, he might not have.

They need to stamp out the touching of officials across the board.

Mars Bar

NomadicGray wrote: »

You talk such muck

Smashing conversation. How about engaging in a constructive reply as to why?

eigrod

TitianGerm wrote: »

One of the last serious injury from a bad tackle happening to a Liverpool player that stands out to me was when Funes Mores broke Origis ankle with an over the ball tackle and there was just as much outrage to the VVD one.

And Gary Stevens on Jim Beglin that ended his Liverpool & international career. Tried to come back at Leeds but didn’t work out. A horrible foul too.

ShamoBuc

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

The outage is because none of the above Rebel. The outage is because VVD could be out long term and is a crucial player to Liverpool

There wouldn't be half as much noise about this if he wasn't injured. Players get away with sh1te tackles weekly and all of a sudden this one is different.

There was immediate outrage at the tackle.
Immediate outrage that it wasn't a red.
Immediate outrage at Var and the ref, both not seeing what most of saw, a blatant red.
All of that was before he even came off in fairness.

The outrage continued of course, when news started to filter through how serious it could be. Not many 'sh1te tackles' like Pickfords where there isn't a free, a yellow or a red given.

TitianGerm

NomadicGray wrote: »

You talk such muck

She's telling you how she would feel in that situation. Mars Bar opinion is fairly well regarded around here, I doubt there's many would say the same about yours.

~Rebel~

Mars Bar wrote: »

You shouldn't put a hand on an official and any sanction you get for it is warranted. But it is up to the referee at the end of the day. It's a little aggressive that he pulls her towards him. I'd be terribly uncomfortable in that situation and very, very upset.

But I honestly have a much bigger problem with Pep's comments afterwards. Aguero is a "nice guy" so would never have meant harm apparently. What about a few of those "nice guy" fathers and committed and valued members of whatever local club or church in this country who went on to murder their families?

Why do "nice guys" think they can get away with what they want with a woman? Because of comments such as Pep's. Pep can go and ****ing do one.

Pep's awful for that stuff, was the same with the Bernardo Silva race thing.

It's like some people think only proper bastards should be called on their actions, when the world is so much more grey than that. If an action is wrong, you have to condemn the action. Doesn't matter if your personal experience of the person doing it is positive.

Shanotheslayer

SlickRic wrote: »

I'm quite comfortable in saying the Kane/Son tandem is the best duo around right now.

Only said to my mates earlier it's reminding me of Suarez / Sturridge

~Rebel~

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

Only said to my mates earlier it's reminding me of Suarez / Sturridge

Terrifying that Bale is waiting in the wings to join them over the next few weeks. Poor auld Bergwijn must be feeling some pressure now!

Shanotheslayer

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Terrifying that Bale is waiting in the wings to join them over the next few weeks. Poor auld Bergwijn must be feeling some pressure now!

Yeh it's going to be some front 3.

Really think this is Spurs year to get a trophy under their belts, league cup/fa cup especially with Mourinho there.

giveitholly

Can you imagine if Jose won the league with Spurs

Shanotheslayer

giveitholly wrote: »

Can you imagine if Jose won the league with Spurs

Think their would be a few 404 errors on boards with the amount of fume

noodler

giveitholly wrote: »

Can you imagine if Jose won the league with Spurs

They are looking the most fluid team so far.

Far cry from the opening day defeat.

ShamoBuc

~Rebel~ wrote: »

Terrifying that Bale is waiting in the wings to join them over the next few weeks. Poor auld Bergwijn must be feeling some pressure now!

While Bale is highly regarded, rightly so, I would think it will take him a fair bit of time to get match fit given the last few months of match inactivity.
It will be interesting to see how they get on together, considering how well those 2 are in tune with each other at the moment.

BillyHasMates

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

The outage is because none of the above Rebel. The outage is because VVD could be out long term and is a crucial player to Liverpool

There wouldn't be half as much noise about this if he wasn't injured. Players get away with sh1te tackles weekly and all of a sudden this one is different.

The outrage if you want to call it is that the tackle went completely unpunished. I am sorry but it's not often you see a player, even a keeper, launch himself towards a player off the ground with both legs up in the air. It was dangerous and completely reckless. I am actually surprised you are trying to downplay it as a bit run of the mill. Everton should have been playing the remaining 80 or so minutes with 10 men which would have improved our chances of winning the game. The fact you got a point and the tackle put an influental player out for potentially the season is going to understandably going to irk Liverpool fans even more.

giveitholly

noodler wrote: »

They are looking the most fluid team so far.

Get cry from the opening day defeat.

Could definitely happen,this could be a season where teams are dropping a lot of points and there could be a good few teams near the top for a large part of the season