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AbusesToilets

TRC10 wrote: »

https://youtu.be/QnwxWsJd6r0

Quick clip of Hogg tearing a team up by himself

One break a summer makes I guess. How many videos of him leaking tries for poor defensive choices?

AbusesToilets

hurleronditch wrote: »

Hogg is an infinitely better player than Zebo, in almost all facets of the game. Keenan is an excellent player, still working his way up the learning curve but passing each test admirably. He would have been worthy of a slot on the squad, but I don’t think he’s hard done by to not be in.

First test tomorrow morning, 100 times out of 100 I’m picking Hogg (or Liam Williams) ahead of him

Again, fair enough. I don't see it in Hogg personally, never been very impressed by him. Williams is a different matter entirely.

TRC10

AbusesToilets wrote: »

One break a summer makes I guess. How many videos of him leaking tries for poor defensive choices?

Keep on deflecting.

How about you provide the videos seen as you're the one making the claim?

AbusesToilets

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Again, fair enough. I don't see it in Hogg personally, never been very impressed by him. Williams is a different matter entirely.

AbusesToilets wrote: »

I'd take him over any of the other options at FB,

you said that you'd pick Keenan ahead of Williams also!

AbusesToilets

glasso wrote: »

you said that you'd pick Keenan ahead of Williams also!

At FB, yes. I'd have a back 3 of LRZ/Watson, Williams and Keenan. Williams is a great player, but he also does incredibly stupid, ill disciplined things too. See him losing Wales a test at the death for a knackery challenge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wtYc-PPCCE

Not a one off occurrence for him either.

AbusesToilets

TRC10 wrote: »

Keep on deflecting.

How about you provide the videos seen as you're the one making the claim?

Ehh, did you not watch Leinster's match against Exeter?

TRC10

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Ehh, did you not watch Leinster's match against Exeter?

The only defensive error from a full back in that game was from Keenan.

Strange game to use to try to prove your point

TRC10

AbusesToilets wrote: »

At FB, yes. I'd have a back 3 of LRZ/Watson, Williams and Keenan. Williams is a great player, but he also does incredibly stupid, ill disciplined things too. See him losing Wales a test at the death for a knackery challenge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wtYc-PPCCE

Not a one off occurrence for him either.

Ok let's pick out the single dumbest moment from every players career (even if it was 7 years ago) and use it to prove why they shouldn't be picked.

Ridiculous

AbusesToilets

TRC10 wrote: »

The only defensive error from a full back in that game was from Keenan.

Strange game to use to try to prove your point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za70xp1e8Vk

1st try, Hogg bites in on Keenan, who makes an offload through a double tackle to Lowe for the score.

2nd try, Hogg gets burnt on the outside from 10ms out, after Keenan runs a line that ties in the winger and Hogg.

4th try, Hogg gets burnt on the outside from 10ms out.

AbusesToilets

TRC10 wrote: »

Ok let's pick out the single dumbest moment from every players career (even if it was 7 years ago) and use it to prove why they shouldn't be picked.

Ridiculous

Google Liam Williams red cards. Not a short list. He's a great player, but he does stupid ****, on the reg.

thomond2006

Christ.

TRC10

AbusesToilets wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Za70xp1e8Vk

1st try, Hogg bites in on Keenan, who makes an offload through a double tackle to Lowe for the score.

2nd try, Hogg gets burnt on the outside from 10ms out.

4th try, Hogg gets burnt on the outside from 10ms out.

Hogg is back tracking in the first 2. They aren't errors. Even if he leaves Keenan, Leinster still score because Keenan just gets the ball away easier and Lowe is running onto the ball and Hogg is backtracking.

2nd clip. Well executed Leinster move and again, Hogg backtracking because of it. Leinster should score from that position, therefore it's not an error.

And ok Larmour gassed him....big deal, it's Larmour, he's fast.

Keenan's miss on on O'Flaherty was much more an error than any of your examples. You're just nitpicking.

AbusesToilets

TRC10 wrote: »

Hogg is back tracking in the first 2. They aren't errors. Even if he leaves Keenan, Leinster still score because Keenan just gets the ball away easier and Lowe is running onto the ball and Hogg is backtracking.

2nd clip. Well executed Leinster move and again, Hogg backtracking because of it. Leinster should score from that position, therefore it's not an error.

And ok Larmour gassed him....big deal, it's Larmour, he's fast.

Keenan's miss on on O'Flaherty was much more an error than any of your examples. You're just nitpicking.

Who's making excuses now? Keenan fell off of a tackle. It was a poor miss in a one on one situation. Hogg was repeatedly done on the outside as the last defender.

Anyway, not trying to drag the whole damn thread off the rails. Last I'll be mentioning Keenan.

UAEguy2020

aloooof wrote: »

It’s pretty obvious from his selections that he hasn’t picked players just on 6 Nations form, or even recent form. Just look at the Saracens players selected. And that doesn’t mean he’s appeasing the media.

Different coaches will have different opinions on players. Obviously.

I’d totally get that if we were talking about let’s say a tuilagi or someone like that... not a player who’s not played test rugby in nearly 2 years when fit and available.

TRC10

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Google Liam Williams red cards. Not a short list. He's a great player, but he does stupid ****, on the reg.

3 red cards in 240 games.

Yeah you're right, shocking stuff altogether, call up Keenan

UAEguy2020

aloooof wrote: »

He’s a recent European Player of the Year winner, so the notion that he’s only impressed against Newcastle and Worcester is nonsense. It’s akin to the calls for Steffon Armitage to be considered, a difference being he didn’t play in a home nation at the time.

I’d have preferred others too, but this notion that it makes a mockery of things is, frankly, ridiculous.

How long ago was that? You are really reaching to try make a case for his inclusion. Newcastle and Worcester is the standard of opposition he plays against regularly and supposedly that’s what’s got him on the pane which is a joke, you look at for example how Ritchie played in the big games in the 6N but no because Simmonds was has impressed in afew premiership games he must go.

It is making a mockery, this is up there with the geography 6 bull**** and thankfully I expect this to go similarly with him rarely featuring in the tests.

TRC10

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Who's making excuses now? Keenan fell off of a tackle. It was a poor miss in a one on one situation. Hogg was repeatedly done on the outside as the last defender.

Anyway, not trying to drag the whole damn thread off the rails. Last I'll be mentioning Keenan.

Excuses for what? They aren't errors. You're nitpicking. You can take literally any try ever and say "oh defensive error". But not every try is a defensive error. You're clearly just trying to justify taking Keenan (an excellent player) over 2 of the best full backs in the world and proven world class players.

UAEguy2020

hurleronditch wrote: »

It’s not a media pick it’s a two fingers to Eddie bones pick. Simmonds has been the best English 8 for the last 15 months. Billy V hasn’t been the same post World Cup, and if Jones wasn’t as pedantic as he is Simmonds would probably have started all the November and 6 nations tests. Billy V is currently playing Plymouth and Jersey Reds on a weekly basis and I don’t think he looks out of place at times if Twitter is to be believed. I agree it’s now a big step up for Simmonds without having played international in 3 years, but the guy is a quality player that has been consistently top class in one of the best club teams in Europe for the last 3 years.

Let’s be honest, Conan hasn’t played much more international rugby in the last 2 years and we’re not calling that selection a joke.

Best 8 in the premiership, big difference playing against Worcester and Newcastle than playing against SA in the lions and there’s a reason he hasn’t been picked.

Has looked class in the premiership not international rugby... there’s the problem.

Conan was fantastic the last few weeks and hasnt played much international rugby due to injury rather than seen as not being good enough, that’s a big difference.

Ardillaun

I’d like to have seen a few more from English sides. O’Flaherty might have been interesting on the wing. Was May available? I think Slade could have offered a bit of variety at centre.

lawrencesummers

I would love to see Eddie jones in charge of the lions someday.


Just for the fun that would be had at squad selection time alone.

lawrencesummers

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

Best 8 in the premiership, big difference playing against Worcester and Newcastle than playing against SA in the lions and there’s a reason he hasn’t been picked.

Has looked class in the premiership not international rugby... there’s the problem.

Conan was fantastic the last few weeks and hasnt played much international rugby due to injury rather than seen as not being good enough, that’s a big difference.

Simmons is playing worescter and Newcastle while Conan is playing dragons and Benetton.

Quelle problem?

aloooof

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

How long ago was that?

What, 6-7 months ago?

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

You are really reaching to try make a case for his inclusion.

I'm not making a case for his inclusion; just saying it's not a "mockery".

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

Newcastle and Worcester is the standard of opposition he plays against regularly and supposedly that’s what’s got him on the pane which is a joke, you look at for example how Ritchie played in the big games in the 6N but no because Simmonds was has impressed in afew premiership games he must go.

And Jersey Reds and Ealing Trailfinders is standard the Saracens lads play against regularly.

Ritchie is definitely one of a few who will feel unlucky, he had an excellent 6 Nations.

UAEguy2020 wrote: »

It is making a mockery...

Will leave it there...

OldRio

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Simmons is playing worescter and Newcastle while Conan is playing dragons and Benetton.

Quelle problem?

How did Exeter v Leinster go? Simmonds v Conan?

Also Conan played well against the potential European Champions last weekend.


Quelle problem?

In all fairness Jones doesn't pick Simmonds because Jones is a dick, simple as that. Both players deserve their place.

lawrencesummers

OldRio wrote: »

How did Exeter v Leinster go? Simmonds v Conan?

Also Conan played well against the potential European Champions last weekend.


Quelle problem?

In all fairness Jones doesn't pick Simmonds because Jones is a dick, simple as that. Both players deserve their place.

I’ve no issue with either being picked, and delighted for both. It’s vindication of their work rate during periods of selection disappointment at the national level. Two players who can elevate their international ambitions no end this summer.

Teferi

Rala gets the call up

declanflynn

Does anyone care to name a team from the players not picked to go

The Inbetween is mine

declanflynn wrote: »

Does anyone care to name a team from the players not picked to go

It was done yesterday by a few of the papers

declanflynn

Missed them, v good team not going

Cosmo Kramer

You could pick a team not going that would put 30 or 40 on the likely midweek team of those picked. You can make a strong 23 out of the squad with a few spares dotted around, but the last 10 or so named looks very weak.

TRC10

declanflynn wrote: »

Does anyone care to name a team from the players not picked to go

15-Keenan
14-May
13-Ringrose/Slade
12-Davies/Tuilagi
11-Stockdale/Earls
10-Sexton/Ford
9-T.Williams
1-Healy/Marler
2-Kelleher/Herring
3-Sinckler
4-Gray
5-Ryan
6-Stander
7-Navidi/Underhill
8-Billy.V