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FG to still just do nothing for the next 5 years - part 2

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    #812
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Oh jesus they let Éamonn Ryan on newstalk.

    Car crash stuff

    Ah so he's up? Good man.


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    #813
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Leo Varadkar has confirmed that the source of the outbreak has been traced back to Sinn Féin HQ


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    #814
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Fair play to Madigan putting pressure on the shambles Leo built.she's just not an expert on dodgy insurance claims.

    https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1305920838340939777?s=19


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    #815
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    It will be interesting to see where this goes. Fine Gaels rhetoric of looking after the man who gets up early in the morning looking like a load of waffle.

    "An investigation by the Competition and Consumer Protection Commission has found that five insurance companies, an insurance industry trade association and an insurance broker allegedly engaged in anti-competitive co-operation.

    This took place over a 21-month period during 2015 and 2016.

    In its preliminary findings, the CCPC named the companies as AIG Europe, Allianz, AXA Insurance, Aviva Insurance, FBD Insurance, Brokers Ireland - formerly the Irish Brokers Association - and AA Ireland.

    The alleged anti-competitive co-operation consisted of public announcements of future motor insurance premium rises as well as other contacts between competitors."

    https://www.rte.ie/amp/1165780/


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    #816
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Oh Lord LV trying to steal Pearse Doherty's homework. Nothing suspicious on the timing.

    https://twitter.com/LeoVaradkar/status/1306620750355456001?s=19


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    #817
    Colonel Claptrap
    Registered Users Posts: 945 ✭✭✭Colonel Claptrap


    Yes, Pearse Doherty owns insurance reform.

    Damned if you do.
    Damned if you don't.


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    #818
    JohnnyFlash
    Registered Users Posts: 7,055 ✭✭✭JohnnyFlash


    Colonel Claptrap wrote: »
    Yes, Pearse Doherty owns insurance reform.

    Damned if you do.
    Damned if you don't.

    Pearse got very angry and did that SF righteous indignation thing in a committee meeting. Therefore he’s the only TD allowed have anything to with insurance reform.

    Shinner logic.


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    #819
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    https://twitter.com/caulmick/status/1306651835835527170?s=19

    Leo is some chancer. Do they not realise that what they say now is all over the Internet and they can't get away with lie after lie anymore


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    #820
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Pearse got very angry and did that SF righteous indignation thing in a committee meeting. Therefore he’s the only TD allowed have anything to with insurance reform.

    Shinner logic.

    Why did Leo block these insurance reform legislation for 2 years?

    And continue to delay its sections for another year at the request of the insurance industry?


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    #821
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Like the Covid meat plants, will Varadkar not claim he never told Insurance companies to continue screwing people and think that's job done?


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    #822
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    It's like their claim on the marriage referendum and repeal the 8th last week. Forever jumping on the bandwagon at the last minute despite years of apathy our outright opposition. The Ministry of Truth have nothing on these lads.


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    #823
    [Deleted User]
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    Bowie wrote: »
    Like the Covid meat plants, will Varadkar not claim he never told Insurance companies to continue screwing people and think that's job done?

    If people don’t question their renewal quote and just pay up, then they’re fools. Never, ever renew any insurance without first ringing to beat them down. They cannot be blamed for trying to make as much money as possible.


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    #824
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    Pearse got very angry and did that SF righteous indignation thing in a committee meeting. Therefore he’s the only TD allowed have anything to with insurance reform.

    Shinner logic.

    Sure FG TD's are into insurance claims. Reform is never not in the interest.


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    #825
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,157 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If people don’t question their renewal quote and just pay up, then they’re fools. Never, ever renew any insurance without first ringing to beat them down. They cannot be blamed for trying to make as much money as possible.

    It's the people's fault again? Yawn.


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    #826
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If people don’t question their renewal quote and just pay up, then they’re fools. Never, ever renew any insurance without first ringing to beat them down. They cannot be blamed for trying to make as much money as possible.

    Did you not read news of the report of anti-competitive collision in insurance companies released by the Consumer Protection Commission today?

    "The alleged anti-competitive co-operation consisted of public announcements of future motor insurance premium rises as well as other contacts between competitors.

    All of this reduced levels of competition between the parties".

    How does ringing around work if insurance companies are all collaborating?


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    #827
    [Deleted User]
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    It's the people's fault again? Yawn.

    Yes, if they’re stupid enough to just hand over their money without trying for a better deal!

    But, but, wait.....da gubberment should do their thinking for them!


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    #828
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If people don’t question their renewal quote and just pay up, then they’re fools. Never, ever renew any insurance without first ringing to beat them down. They cannot be blamed for trying to make as much money as possible.

    Actually when they are all rigging the game they can. Fixed pricing. Do you not even listen to the party line before you defend it? The gist currently is wring your hands agree and do nothing.
    FYI: we elect people to legislate and govern to look after our interests. TBF that's not what we get most of the time.


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    #829
    FrancieBrady
    Registered Users Posts: 68,157 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes, if they’re stupid enough to just hand over their money without trying for a better deal!

    But, but, wait.....da gubberment should do their thinking for them!

    Give us another greed is good quote there Maryanne...'they cannot be blamed for making as much money as they can', classic.


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    #830
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Give us another greed is good quote there Maryanne...'they cannot be blamed for making as much money as they can', classic.

    #notanormalparty


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    #831
    [Deleted User]
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Give us another greed is good quote there Maryanne...'they cannot be blamed for making as much money as they can', classic.

    Don’t tell me. You actually pay as per quote? Awks!


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    #832
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes, if they’re stupid enough to just hand over their money without trying for a better deal!

    But, but, wait.....da gubberment should do their thinking for them!

    Why is LV talking about reducing premiums if what you're saying is true?

    Pease having a good pop. Lovely to see.

    https://twitter.com/PearseDoherty/status/1306647654206787585?s=19


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    #833
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,438 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bowie wrote: »
    #notanormalparty

    Why are you bringing Sinn Fein into a thread about Fine Gael?

    Strange, if I did it, you would criticise me. This is very puzzling.


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    #834
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes, if they’re stupid enough to just hand over their money without trying for a better deal!

    But, but, wait.....da gubberment should do their thinking for them!

    You were singing an entirely different tune when FGs white elephant "Irish Water" were sending out bills and expecting gobshytes to just hand over money to them unquestionably.

    It is nice to see you have suddenly seen the light and turned your back on blind subservience.


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    #835
    tobsey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭tobsey


    smurgen wrote: »
    Why is LV talking about reducing premiums if what you're saying is true?

    Pease having a good pop. Lovely to see.

    https://twitter.com/PearseDoherty/status/1306647654206787585?s=19

    There’s nothing in Doherty’s bill that will bring down the cost of insurance. If anything it’s going to add to the costs of insurance companies and they are going to up their premiums to cover the costs. Overall I think it’s a good bill for the consumer. It does put the consumer on a better footing when dealing with insurance companies whether they are renewing or claiming against the policy. However if we’re going to put those additional restrictions on insurance companies they can’t be surprised if prices don’t come down.


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    #836
    tobsey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭tobsey


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Good qs there.....what was the reason for delaying this insurance reforms


    What is links between ffg and insurance industry,and how much extra have i paid in premiums as a result of this 2 year delay

    See my post above. That bill won’t save you a cent. It’s likely to cost you more. You might have better insurance as a result, but it won’t be cheaper.


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    #837
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    tobsey wrote: »
    See my post above. That bill won’t save you a cent. It’s likely to cost you more. You might have better insurance as a result, but it won’t be cheaper.

    This is a strange way of thinking tbh, having something "better" at the "same price" actually is cheaper no?

    Two products, are for sale, one is premium, and the other is budget..

    The premium one is now available at the previously mentioned budget products price?

    So you're now paying the budget price for the premium product, that's cheaper in my book.


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    #838
    tobsey
    Registered Users Posts: 1,275 ✭✭✭tobsey


    McMurphy wrote: »
    This is a strange way of thinking tbh, having something "better" at the "same price" actually is cheaper no?

    Two products, are for sale, one is premium, and the other is budget..

    The premium one is now available at the previously mentioned budget products price?

    So you're now paying the budget price for the premium product, that's cheaper in my book.

    That’s value you’re talking about. People don’t want value from insurance, at least not in this country. They want it to be cheap, because they only buy it because they have to.

    Doherty’s bill won’t get better value for money. It’ll get better policies for more money.


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    #839
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    smurgen wrote: »
    Why is LV talking about reducing premiums if what you're saying is true?

    Pease having a good pop. Lovely to see.

    https://twitter.com/PearseDoherty/status/1306647654206787585?s=19

    Lovely. Does Varadkar think he's foolig anyone? What a waste.


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    #840
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    tobsey wrote: »
    There’s nothing in Doherty’s bill that will bring down the cost of insurance. If anything it’s going to add to the costs of insurance companies and they are going to up their premiums to cover the costs. Overall I think it’s a good bill for the consumer. It does put the consumer on a better footing when dealing with insurance companies whether they are renewing or claiming against the policy. However if we’re going to put those additional restrictions on insurance companies they can’t be surprised if prices don’t come down.

    Can you show that and also show what Varadkar's plan is?
    You see I reckon Varadkar is just all mouth and has no concrete intent to do **** all. Prove me wrong.


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    #841
    McMurphy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    tobsey wrote: »
    That’s value you’re talking about. People don’t want value from insurance, at least not in this country. They want it to be cheap, because they only buy it because they have to.

    Not true, I choose policies based on what's included with the cover - not the cheapest one. I haven't seen the statistics, but I imagine fully comp policies outnumber third party only here which I've always found to be cheaper.

    I'll concede to going with Maryanne's way of thinking though, I never automatically renew my insurance, if you don't shop around you'll get shafted by them
    Doherty’s bill won’t get better value for money. It’ll get better policies for more money.

    I've not seen the bill to form any opinion on it yet, but in saying that if it gets me first or business class levels of service for my previous economy ticket, that'll do me.

    What's Leo's proposals?


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