FG to still just do nothing for the next 5 years - part 2

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A continuation of FG to just do nothing for the next 5 years

Threadbans carry over

JohnnyFlash

FG back in Government for a historic third term; riding high in the opinion polls; people of the calibre of Varadkar, Donohoe, Harris, Coveney, Humphreys in Cabinet, and the most invigorated and engaged local party structure I've seen since FitzGerald.

Hugely proud to be a member of a political party who have done so much for this country. Divorce, gay marriage, abortion rights, recognition of the travelling community as an ethnic minority; a State apology to the women who spent years in the laundry system - all delivered under FG governments. Hugely pro the European Union, and our place within it.

A focus on balancing the books, while still delivering the largest increases in inward investment, health budget, and social welfare. A party that was founded on the principal of having a Republic of equals. A proper party of Christian/Social democracy.

James Brown

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

FG back in Government for a historic third term; riding high in the opinion polls; people of the calibre of Varadkar, Donohoe, Harris, Coveney, Humphreys in Cabinet, and the most invigorated and engaged local party structure I've seen since FitzGerald.

Hugely proud to be a member of a political party who have done so much for this country. Divorce, gay marriage, abortion rights, recognition of the travelling community as an ethnic minority, A State apology to the women who spent years in the laundry system - all delivered under FG governments. Hugely pro the European Union, and our place within it.

A focus on balancing the books, while still delivering the largest increases in inward investment, health budget, and social welfare. A party that was founded on the principal of having a Republic of equals.

So what went wrong in the election? Didn't get the message out?

The opener reads like a rogue's gallery of entitlement and incompetence.

Rodney Bathgate

Seems strange that there is a thread with that title when the party in question is actually in government again.

Ha Long Bay

Bowie wrote: »

So what went wrong in the election? Didn't get the message out?

The opener reads like a rogue's gallery of entitlement and incompetence.

Will you ignore my post because its a new thread?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114272642&postcount=9959

James Brown

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Seems strange that there is a thread with that title when the party in question is actually in government again.

We know what they'll be doing for the next six months, should it survive that long.

James Brown

john4321 wrote: »

Will you ignore my post because its a new thread?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114272642&postcount=9959

john4321 wrote:

Any chance you would post genuinely?

You respond to this and we'll talk.

Jinglejangle69

john4321 wrote: »

Will you ignore my post because its a new thread?

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=114272642&postcount=9959

Haha brilliant!!

Jinglejangle69

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

Seems strange that there is a thread with that title when the party in question is actually in government again.

Doesnt seem strange to me.

We know the situation here:)

JohnnyFlash

Bowie wrote: »

So what went wrong in the election? Didn't get the message out?

The opener reads like a rogue's gallery of entitlement and incompetence.

FG focused too much on the achievements on Brexit delivered during the minority government. Which, in fairness, were a credit to our Civil Service, Government, and diaspora.



Time will look extremely favorably on that period. It was the most confident, competent, and cohesive Government we have had in generations. Even Shane Ross did a good job!

Rodney Bathgate

Bowie wrote: »

We know what they'll be doing for the next six months, should it survive that long.

Running the country as part of the government coalition while SF continue their hurler on the ditch impression?

James Brown

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

FG focused too much on the achievements on Brexit delivered during the minority government. Which, in fairness, were a credit to our Civil Service, Government, and diaspora.



Time will look extremely favorably on that period. It was the most confident, competent, and cohesive Government we have had in generations. Even Shane Ross did a good job!

That's delusional JF.

It never ceases to amaze, the FG reliance on not being the worst of the worst even when pointing to a government they are partners in

smurgen

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

FG back in Government for a historic third term; riding high in the opinion polls; people of the calibre of Varadkar, Donohoe, Harris, Coveney, Humphreys in Cabinet, and the most invigorated and engaged local party structure I've seen since FitzGerald.

Hugely proud to be a member of a political party who have done so much for this country. Divorce, gay marriage, abortion rights, recognition of the travelling community as an ethnic minority; a State apology to the women who spent years in the laundry system - all delivered under FG governments. Hugely pro the European Union, and our place within it.

A focus on balancing the books, while still delivering the largest increases in inward investment, health budget, and social welfare. A party that was founded on the principal of having a Republic of equals. A proper party of Christian/Social democracy.

What movie is this again?

smurgen

Any idea when the LOKdown will end? Have FFG reigned in the meat barons at all or are they still out shopping?

Ha Long Bay

Bowie wrote: »

You respond to this and we'll talk.

Sure, that post made no sense to me so I didn't reply. I don't think the OP even replied but you jumped in to derail my post for some unknown reason where I just clarified the story and numbers.

We got to a point in the thread where you acknowledged that point after a multiple posts.

You said "Never said you did. Satguy mentioned the cartridges, you clarified the details."




Now back on topic have you a reply to my last post about your false statement regarding the €5 bonus?

JohnnyFlash

smurgen wrote: »

What movie is this again?

It's called Reality: 2020.

Featuring yourself, and a cast of millions.

It's in 3D, Ultra-HD, and it's very interactive.

:eek:

James Brown

john4321 wrote: »

Sure, that post made no sense to me so I didn't reply. I don't think the OP even replied but you jumped in to derail my post for some unknown reason where I just clarified the story and numbers.

We got to a point in the thread where you acknowledged that point after a multiple posts.

You said "Never said you did. Satguy mentioned the cartridges, you clarified the details."




Now back on topic have you a reply to my last post about your false statement regarding the €5 bonus?

You claimed I said you used SF to deflect. I asked for a quote/proof you then moved it to being about the number of cartridges. A complete dishonest fudge and you know it.

There was a thread on boards regarding the Christmas bonus. People were going nuts at even a fiver raise. Was a few years ago. The point is people will go nuts over that but stay silent on the meat processing using foreign workers who dont even pay tax in Ireland. I know FG have previous for not paying tax and they like giving contracts to a non-resident but non-resident meat packers is a new one.

James Brown

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

It's called Reality: 2020.

Featuring yourself, and a cast of millions.

It's in 3D, Ultra-HD, and it's very interactive.

:eek:

Although Leo lifted some of the dialogue from other Netflix titles

JohnnyFlash

Bowie wrote: »

Although Leo lifted some of the dialogue from other Netflix titles

I'm not sure anyone really cared about that, dude. It was a social media 'thing'.



The vibe I'm getting is that people are starting to realise how competent Leo, Simon, Heather, Simon really were.

Ha Long Bay

Bowie wrote: »

You claimed I said you used SF to deflect. I asked for a quote/proof you then moved it to being about the number of cartridges. A complete dishonest fudge and you know it.

There was a thread on boards regarding the Christmas bonus. People were going nuts at even a fiver raise. Was a few years ago. The point is people will go nuts over that but stay silent on the meat processing using foreign workers who dont even pay tax in Ireland. I know FG have previous for not paying tax and they like giving contracts to a non-resident but non-resident meat packers is a new one.

I didn't claim anything, I replied to the OP correcting a post with facts which I should be allowed to do on a public forum. Maybe the didn't reply as as they were incorrect I don't know why they didn't.

Now onto the new point you raised you made a false statement and again I just corrected it using backed up facts.

All you had to do was acknowledge the statement was incorrect but instead you proceed to post a statement about processing plants, foreign workers and non resident tax payers.

This isn't genuine debate or discussion, It's in my opinion soapboxing as no proof to back it up is provided.

James Brown

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

I'm not sure anyone really cared about that, dude. It was a social media 'thing'.



The vibe I'm getting is that people are starting to realise how competent Leo, Simon, Heather, Simon really were.

And nobody uses that right?
It was just another insight into Leo's lack of empathy and not being fit to represent the country.

Not the worst of the worst? We'll need let the PFG run its course to judge.
Cervicheck, covid number 19, spin unit, NCH over run, record breaking crises etc. Let's hope you're wrong.

James Brown

john4321 wrote: »

I didn't claim anything, I replied to the OP correcting a post with facts which I should be allowed to do on a public forum. Maybe the didn't reply as as they were incorrect I don't know why they didn't.

This is you...

If you can point out where I used a SF tale to deflect from FG please show me or respectfully withdraw the comment.

Never said such a thing. You went on about the number of cartridges, never questioned you on the number.

john4321 wrote: »

Now onto the new point you raised you made a false statement and again I just corrected it using backed up facts.

All you had to do was acknowledge the statement was incorrect but instead you proceed to post a statement about processing plants, foreign workers and non resident tax payers.

This isn't genuine debate or discussion, It's in my opinion soapboxing as no proof to back it up is provided.

I'm of the opinion people will get het up about a fiver raise on the christmas bonus but not the meat packer workers shipped in, not paying tax in Ireland and being expected to buy their own PPE. See you are getting pedantic over an analogy. The topic was meat packers being shipped in not the history to the Christmas bonus.
I can't say there was never a fiver raise on the Christmas bonus. I recall a thread, there were many. I couldn't even tell you what year or what government. You go looking. My analogy stands. You're proof ffs.

markodaly

smurgen wrote: »

Any idea when the LOKdown will end?

You tell us? As the whole world may want to know the answer to that.

markodaly

What amazes me that we have a long running thread like this about FG and especially Leo, while the other two parties in government, The Greens or FF don't have their own separate long running threads.

You guys do know that there are 3 parties in the government, right?
From the last few weeks, FG have come out of it much better IMO.

FF are wrecked from infighting and reminding us all on who they are.
The Greens are already panicking and looking for a way out it seems..

...yet the focus seems to be on FG who are riding high in the polls and are the party coming across as more competent than the other two.

McMurphy

markodaly wrote: »

What amazes me that we have a long running thread like this about FG and especially Leo, while the other two parties in government, The Greens or FF don't have their own separate long running threads.

You guys do know that there are 3 parties in the government, right?
From the last few weeks, FG have come out of it much better IMO.

FF are wrecked from infighting and reminding us all on who they are.
The Greens are already panicking and looking for a way out it seems..

...yet the focus seems to be on FG who are riding high in the polls and are the party coming across as more competent than the other two.

Seeing as the last page seemed to be all about people correcting others, I may carry on in the same vein.

1, there is a thread about all 3 parties in Govt, it's titled FF/G /Greens next government, and can be found here, in fact you've posted in it on more than 80 occasion's. Slipped your mind did it?

Secondly, the last polls we seen had SF riding even higher than FG, and even though certain FG party members tried to rewrite history, and polling stats, but got swiftly corrected here, so it would seem despite their stellar job and competence in previous govt roles, there's still a sizeable amount of people who appear to want the shinners over FG.

Explain that one.

smurgen

markodaly wrote: »

You tell us? As the whole world may want to know the answer to that.

So the three counties are locked down indefinitely? Is Larry Goodman that powerful the FFG can't intervene? He must have some juicy stuff on you lads.

Poor_old_gill

smurgen wrote: »

Any idea when the LOKdown will end? Have FFG reigned in the meat barons at all or are they still out shopping?

"Out shopping" has got the be the most pathetic attempt to attack a party that I have ever seen.

It's like an insult that you would hear 8 year olds giving each other in school.

Brendan Bendar

markodaly wrote: »

What amazes me that we have a long running thread like this about FG and especially Leo, while the other two parties in government, The Greens or FF don't have their own separate long running threads.

You guys do know that there are 3 parties in the government, right?
From the last few weeks, FG have come out of it much better IMO.

FF are wrecked from infighting and reminding us all on who they are.
The Greens are already panicking and looking for a way out it seems..

...yet the focus seems to be on FG who are riding high in the polls and are the party coming across as more competent than the other two.

Wouldn’t worry about what these guys think about Mr ODaly, Wouldn’t worry at all, of no consequence.

You see ,they are ,as they see it, tryIng to keep the ‘Heat’ on Fg even to the extent of highlighting The Tainiste buying shoes and trying to throw shade on it.

Then this famous ‘letter’ from HH which they tried to big up and failed.

Mark all these guys want is to keep this thread alive while their lad on the front, Mr Stanley ,opts for the only ‘strategy’ they have the ‘magic money tree’

Doesn’t have to worry about knock on effects, unintended consequences, who pays(it won’t be them)logistics etc.

“Open the gates,Jem, horse out that money, cash if possible:cool:

McMurphy

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

"Out shopping" has got the be the most pathetic attempt to attack a party that I have ever seen.

It's like an insult that you would hear 8 year olds giving each other in school.

While I agree Gill, it's simply carrying on from other pathetic slagging of, say public representatives and what food they may be consuming.

Few weeks ago, we had a certain cohort up in arms because s certain shinner was "atin fancy seafood" meaning he's "champagne socialist" etc.

So Leo bought a pair of fancy shoes? Big swinging mickey.

Brendan Bendar

Check it out with the boy, Stanley, my friend.

JohnnyFlash

Yurt! wrote: »

dUdE. MAgiC mOneY TREe. iS I doING pOLItix RrighT?

Are you ok, dude? I’m not going to lie; there’s a bit of a Ewan Mackenna vibe off your posts. Lot of anger there.

Yurt2

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Are you ok, dude? I’m not going to lie; there’s a bit of a Ewan Mackenna vibe off your posts. Lot of anger there.

Dude.

Cool Hand Luke JohnnyFlash has arrived. He's spent months on boards trying to lambast his political enemies, real and imagined, and he's *not an angry man at all* We've all witnessed you frothing at the mouth before, during and after the election, so you can let that schtick go.

Dude.

Lads, FG are still in power. They did a great job during the lockdown. Get over it and move on.

Poor_old_gill

Deleted User wrote: »

Lads, FG are still in power. They did a great job during the lockdown. Get over it and move on.

They only did a great job during the lockdown cos the shops were closed and they couldn’t be out buying fancy stuff.

#fashionshoes

Tokyo

Yurt! wrote: »

dUdE. MAgiC mOneY TREe. iS I doING pOLItix RrighT?

Mod: You're doing threadbans right. Don't post in this thread again.

markodaly

McMurphy wrote: »

Seeing as the last page seemed to be all about people correcting others, I may carry on in the same vein.

1, there is a thread about all 3 parties in Govt, it's titled FF/G /Greens next government, and can be found here, in fact you've posted in it on more than 80 occasion's. Slipped your mind did it?

That is a thread talking about government decisions and the like, no complaints from me about that there...
Where is the long-running FF and Greens thread... to match this one?
Why is there such an obsession about FG and not FF or the Greens by the usual detractors?

Secondly, the last polls we seen had SF riding even higher than FG, and even though certain FG party members tried to rewrite history, and polling stats, but got swiftly corrected here, so it would seem despite their stellar job and competence in previous govt roles, there's still a sizeable amount of people who appear to want the shinners over FG.

Explain that one.

Did I not every say SF were not riding high in polls?
Explain that one?

Sizable as in 1% difference according to the last poll, well within the margin of error?
Explain that one?

markodaly

smurgen wrote: »

So the three counties are locked down indefinitely? Is Larry Goodman that powerful the FFG can't intervene? He must have some juicy stuff on you lads.

Indefinitely? No, I doubt it.
What is the actual point you are making here?

Do you disagree with the lockdown? Do you disagree with NPHET?
Or just because it has something to do with FG, you disagree with it?

McMurphy

markodaly wrote: »

That is a thread talking about government decisions and the like, no complaints from me about that there...
Where is the long-running FF and Greens thread... to match this one?
Why is there such an obsession about FG and not FF or the Greens by the usual detractors?

There are separate threads for both parties. Top of my head, there's a "Green party wishlist" and a thread about Eamon Ryan to name a few for the Greens, and "FF humiliated again", "An Taoiseach Michaél Martin", "Stephen Donnelly Minister for Health", "The Fianna Fail front bench" and many more.

Seems like you're doing a bit of giving out about FG threads garnering negative attention?

Did I not every say SF were not riding high in polls?
Explain that one?

Sizable as in 1% difference according to the last poll, well within the margin of error?
Explain that one?

You didn't mention it, no.

I also note PP have the shinners at Evs for most seats in the next GE, FG are at 6/4, meanwhile FF are at 4-1.

Surely this is another new first?

Poor_old_gill

markodaly wrote: »

Indefinitely? No, I doubt it.
What is the actual point you are making here?

Do you disagree with the lockdown? Do you disagree with NPHET?
Or just because it has something to do with FG, you disagree with it?

You know the answer & you know the poster is just going to ramble on with some whataboutery nonsense to change the subject- so why bother??

markodaly

McMurphy wrote: »

There are separate threads for both parties. Top of my head, there's a "Green party wishlist" and a thread about Eamon Ryan to name a few for the Greens, and "FF humiliated again", "An Taoiseach Michaél Martin", "Stephen Donnelly Minister for Health", "The Fianna Fail front bench" and many more.

Yet, these threads have gone off to Boards.ie heaven as they are no longer active, while a thread which had its roots about FG going into opposition months ago is still going strong...
So, what is it, about FG that perks one's interest or should I say faux outrage much more than say, the Greens or FF?

You didn't mention it, no.

Yes, I didn't. So why bring it up?

McMurphy

markodaly wrote: »

Yet, these threads have gone off to Boards.ie heaven as they are no longer active, while a thread which had its roots about FG going into opposition months ago is still going strong...
So, what is it, about FG that perks one's interest or should I say faux outrage much more than say, the Greens or FF?

Those threads aren't being defended tooth and nail by party zealots would be my best bet, you're free to stop posting in this one mind you, maybe it would stop floating around the top of CA forum, doubtful, but who knows?

Yes, I didn't. So why bring it up?

I brought it up because SF are consistently outpolling FG including in the actual elections (you know the ones that matter most?) With a clear trend emerging, of which I linked to a few posts ago, and you didn't acknowledge.

Why, if FG are doing such a stellar job is my question?

Are the plebs not getting the party message loud and clear, and failing to get with the program?

markodaly

McMurphy wrote: »

Those threads aren't being defended tooth and nail by party zealots would be my best bet, you're free to stop posting in this one mind you, maybe it would stop floating around the top of CA forum, doubtful, but who knows?

Ok, so what exactly am I defending now? The biggest and most prominent posters in the old thread were the usual SF supporting amigos. I can dig out the post count if you. One of them racked up over 1000 posts alone! Impressive stuff.

I brought it up because SF are consistently outpolling FG including in the actual elections

Consistently? Clearly you were not paying attention to earlier polls after the election which had 3 polls in a row, with FG on the mid to high 30's.
Oh dear!

Why, if FG are doing such a stellar job is my question?

The are polling well enough at the moment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Irish_general_election

Edit: Actually that makes FG 7 polls in a row higher than SF.
I take it your use of the word 'Consistently' is misused here or maybe you cant tell when you lie anymore?

McMurphy

markodaly wrote: »

Ok, so what exactly am I defending now? The biggest and most prominent posters in the old thread were the usual SF supporting amigos. I can dig out the post count if you. One of them racked up over 1000 posts alone! Impressive stuff.

I never said you were defending anything in your last couple of previous posts, this is another example of you arguing a point no-one made. Reread what I actually posted please.

Consistently? Clearly you were not paying attention to earlier polls after the election which had 3 polls in a row, with FG on the mid to high 30's.
Oh dear!




The are polling well enough at the moment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Next_Irish_general_election

Edit: Actually that makes FG 7 polls in a row higher than SF.
I take it your use of the word 'Consistently' is misused here or maybe you cant tell when you lie anymore?

Lie? I posted earlier to breakdown of the stats and polling results - including the last election (isn't that supposed to be the important one?)

I linked to someone else breaking down the figure/trend.

Here it is.

Not sure what poll you're reading there Johnny but if it is the Sunday Times Behaviour & Attitudes one that was released today and that we have all been discussing this afternoon they you are actually the one who is "not detailed orientated"

Yes Fine Gael are up 8%, from page 6-
Jan 2020 FG 14%
July 2020 FG 22%

But no, SF are not down 5% as per your claim above. They are actually up 12% in the time since the last poll in the same series was undertaken by the Sunday Times back in January. Thats them gone up 12% compared to Fine Gaels 8% over the same time period

Jan 2020 SF 17%.
July 2020 SF 29% (+12%)

And then when undecided voters are excluded it looks like this
FG Jan 2020 20% July 2020 28% (up 8%)
SF Jan 2020 24% July 2020 36% (up 12%)

So no matter whether you take the poll with all respondents or the poll with undecided voters excluded the result is still the same, Fine Gael have gone up 8% but during that time SF have risen 12%. In other words in the last six months Sinn Fein have outpolled Fine Gael by a whopping 50%. Alarm bells should be going off in FG HQ about this trend because FG can take votes off FF all they want but that it is of little use if SF are outpolling them regardless. The trend is your friend

As to how you managed to spin all that into Sinn Fein being down 5% I'm not sure but I can only suggest that you are (in your own words) "not detail orientated". I mean c'mon now Johnny, I thought you Fine Gael lads were playing senior hurling here It feels to me that its more like an under 9s game that is strewn with schoolboy errors and sloppy hurling.

link

Brendan Bendar

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-féin-apologises-as-member-resigns-over-social-media-abuse-1.4326902



What in heck’s name is all this about??

Hopefully nobody........ well I’ll leave it at that...

JohnnyFlash

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/sinn-féin-apologises-as-member-resigns-over-social-media-abuse-1.4326902



What in heck’s name is all this about??

Hopefully nobody........ well I’ll leave it at that...

The Online Army has a fair few renegades in the ranks, Brendan. There will be more of the same to come.

Jinglejangle69

Something about FG's frape room something something.

JohnnyFlash

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Something about FG's frape room something something.

https://www.finegael.ie/sinn-fein-trolls-need-to-be-disciplined-by-mary-lou-mcdonald-carroll-macneill/

James Brown

Thankfully FG has a gang of stalwarts to badger and harangue anybody with criticism for them. And point out any bullying like.

markodaly

McMurphy wrote: »

Lie? I posted earlier to breakdown of the stats and polling results - including the last election (isn't that supposed to be the important one?)

The polling result, not polling results as that is an analysis done on one poll, which ignores the previous 7 polls that had FG well ahead.
Why did you ignore the other 7 polls that had FG well ahead..

Were you blind?
Were you drunk?
Did you forget?
Did you know?
Genuine mistake?

..Or just playing the twitter game?

I said it before and Ill say it again, will SF do well in the next election, yes.
Will FG be up there as their main opposition, yes I think.
Will they get enough seats to form yet another government, who knows. They have been in power now 9 years and looking at another 5, so another 5 on top.. maybe it's possible, maybe not.

But quite a stretch if you ask me, at least they went in there and did something, rather then the "Look at us, we shout a lot' types from SF and PBP.

Maybe that is why we have so much 'extra' scrutiny from the SF types.
They don't fear FF or the Greens or Labour, they don't see them as a threat, but they do fear FG so, the cavalry blows its horns and away ye go.

smurgen

Bowie wrote: »

Thankfully FG has a gang of stalwarts to badger and harangue anybody with criticism for them. And point out any bullying like.

They also have spokespeople and solicitors.

https://twitter.com/PhelanVicky/status/1286648467956224001?s=19

James Brown

If FF or the Greens had a bunch of lads fighting tooth and nail on every criticism and were even making up ones of their own to get het up about, like FG do, those threads would be as vibrant as any other.