New meat plant - Banagher in County Offaly

Dickie10

how do u mean? the famine was also a huge economic leg up for the strong tenant farmers of ireland , enjoyed a bumper spell from 1860-1920

148multi

Dickie10 wrote: »

how do u mean? the famine was also a huge economic leg up for the strong tenant farmers of ireland , enjoyed a bumper spell from 1860-1920

There was a spike in schizophrenia in the west of ireland, the effect of famine on pregnant mothers at a particular time caused the child to suffer from schizophrenia. It follows in the genes then and a child that is genetically predisposed to the disease, who also is raised by a parent suffering from the disease is 9 times more likely to suffer from it. North roscommon shares the highest rate of schizophrenia in Europe with a provence in sweden.

alps

Dickie10 wrote: »

how do u mean? the famine was also a huge economic leg up for the strong tenant farmers of ireland , enjoyed a bumper spell from 1860-1920

Grandmother born 1890ish always maintained farmers were flying it economically up to independence. . The economic war would have hit and then WW2 so maybe not a fair comparison.

patsy_mccabe

148multi wrote: »

There was a spike in schizophrenia in the west of ireland, the effect of famine on pregnant mothers at a particular time caused the child to suffer from schizophrenia. It follows in the genes then and a child that is genetically predisposed to the disease, who also is raised by a parent suffering from the disease is 9 times more likely to suffer from it. North roscommon shares the highest rate of schizophrenia in Europe with a provence in sweden.

I often think about the famine and the effects it had on people. We have an old famine soup kitchen on our farm (actually just outside the ditch, but it was once part of the farm). Across the road, where my Grandfather was born has a Cillín, where unbaptised children were buried during the famine.
When doing my family tree I found prison records where both sides of my family had people arrested for drunk and disorderly conduct, in the years after the famine.

Danzy

alps wrote: »

Grandmother born 1890ish always maintained farmers were flying it economically up to independence. . The economic war would have hit and then WW2 so maybe not a fair comparison.

1880s to 1913 was as bad a period for agriculture in Europe as we know of in the last 3 centuries and probably longer.

It ties in with the period of the long depression from the 1870s to late 1890s.

The years prior to WW1 saw agri prices collapse in Europe.

Bass Reeves

148multi wrote: »

Most people are oblivious to the effects of the famine, you may be surprised to hear some families are still suffering as a result of it.

148multi wrote: »

There was a spike in schizophrenia in the west of ireland, the effect of famine on pregnant mothers at a particular time caused the child to suffer from schizophrenia. It follows in the genes then and a child that is genetically predisposed to the disease, who also is raised by a parent suffering from the disease is 9 times more likely to suffer from it. North roscommon shares the highest rate of schizophrenia in Europe with a provence in sweden.

We suffer at a higher rate from some other genetic defects and again we have the highest rates of these in Europe. Most of this is attributed to a limited enclosed island based population base. This leads to a lower genetic breeding pool

Looking to blame events from 175 years ago as having an effect that is carried through to today is unrealistic. While the famine is a mind numbing piece of our history and a stain on British rule in Ireland it is not the whole story.

The population of Ireland at the time was begining to be unsustainable. It was unlikely that the population explosion aided by the potato was sustainable for much longer. At some stage in the next 15-20years unless we has an upsurge in industrialization that sucked the population into large towns and cities we have suffered a catastrophic event.

The only other possibility would have been a forced clearance(it happened in a few area any the Kenmare clearances are a case in point) like in Scotland.

Say my name

Bass Reeves wrote: »

We suffer at a higher rate from some other genetic defects and again we have the highest rates of these in Europe. Most of this is attributed to a limited enclosed island based population base. This leads to a lower genetic breeding pool

Looking to blame events from 175 years ago as having an effect that is carried through to today is unrealistic. While the famine is a mind numbing piece of our history and a stain on British rule in Ireland it is not the whole story.

The population of Ireland at the time was begining to be unsustainable. It was unlikely that the population explosion aided by the potato was sustainable for much longer. At some stage in the next 15-20years unless we has an upsurge in industrialization that sucked the population into large towns and cities we have suffered a catastrophic event.

The only other possibility would have been a forced clearance(it happened in a few area any the Kenmare clearances are a case in point) like in Scotland.

There are numerous studies to suggest that schizophrenia starts from a famine and carries on in genetics after.

On the population in Ireland pre famine.
Remember nearly everyone of those paid rent to a landlord and then you had tenants subdividing land to even more tenants in return for labour and possibly a bit made on the rent that they were paying the landlord.
So not only did they raise a household but had to pay for the land every year through extra produce and they couldn't improve their dwelling or land as the rent would increase.

If the rents were abolished they would have had a heck of a fighting chance.
And this was a time when the average Irish person was taller and stronger and better fed than the equivalent English person. They did know how to live and farm but they were perceived as income and food producers for Britain. The same happened in India. Major famine yet the east India company bragged to it's shareholders that rent and income increased at that time.

It was the attraction, ease and profit of sheep farming and that only a few people were required on estates to look after these that drove the Scottish clearances.
Same happened on Easter island, again Scottish influence.

148multi

Bass Reeves wrote: »

We suffer at a higher rate from some other genetic defects and again we have the highest rates of these in Europe. Most of this is attributed to a limited enclosed island based population base. This leads to a lower genetic breeding pool

Looking to blame events from 175 years ago as having an effect that is carried through to today is unrealistic. While the famine is a mind numbing piece of our history and a stain on British rule in Ireland it is not the whole story.

The population of Ireland at the time was begining to be unsustainable. It was unlikely that the population explosion aided by the potato was sustainable for much longer. At some stage in the next 15-20years unless we has an upsurge in industrialization that sucked the population into large towns and cities we have suffered a catastrophic event.

The only other possibility would have been a forced clearance(it happened in a few area any the Kenmare clearances are a case in point) like in Scotland.

The research shows that young women married to older men had a higher rate of the disease in their children, then nutritional deficiencies during a certain time during the pregnancy raised the rate again. Studies have shown that children reared where one parent is suffering from the disease, that child is 3 times more likely to suffer from it too, even if the child is adopted. Studies have shown how this still affects people today. Look up studies on the health effects of the Dutch hunger winter.
The population growth was aided by the potatoe, before the potatoe was introduced we had a varied diet and crops, the potatoe allowed families to live off smaller plots of land with much less work. That model was definitely unsustainable.

Jjameson

alps wrote: »

Grandmother born 1890ish always maintained farmers were flying it economically up to independence. . The economic war would have hit and then WW2 so maybe not a fair comparison.

Then Dev hit you mean!! “Burn everything British but her coal”. An economic war based on not handing over land rates but continue to collect them while farmers having nowhere to sell produce.

It wasn’t just farming that was flying pre independence. There was a rising tide of catholic middle class. Blinkered narcissism and emotive nonsense was a dark cloud that held the country back.