Are there any credible conspiracy theories?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119625799#Comment_119625799

Make sure to never challenge their opinions and agree with them where possible is the best approach do you think?

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119625888#Comment_119625888

When it comes a time one realizes they'll not change their minds,it's best to let them off.

Belittling them or their ideas is like a red rag to a bull, and sealioning them, well they're too wide to be swayed by that method.

Conspiracy theorists and religious people are usually quite hard to debate with, because they rely on faith and have a different world view. Its not that they're unintelligent or anything. Quite a lot of them are above average in intelligence. And they sometimes put forward a good argument, not always but I give them credit for not backing down. After all it's not a fight,it's two mindsets in collision.

Neither are going to give up.

Best way to discuss anything with people who are unable to meet on common ground is probably over a coffee or a walk on the beach or a hike.

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119626196#Comment_119626196

I agree with the first portion, but it's not about convincing them.

It's just about tackling the disinformation. Likewise, if you go to a soccer forum with a false claim, no one is going to convince you, but they are absolutely going to tackle your false claim.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119626449#Comment_119626449

That's true they're going to tackle it on other thread's. Some conspiracy theorists are spreading misinformation, granted that.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119626636#Comment_119626636

Let's just clarify this, the vast majority are. Including sharing videos that misrepresent the reality. You've done it, loads of posters have.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119624368#Comment_119624368

There's a 99.99% chance the US government doesn't even know who piggybacked this attack. There's no doubt people demolished WTC7.

NIST hasn't seen anything like this before in a building of this type. It took seven years for them to figure out why the building collapsed due to fire, then the reason turned out to be controversial. Then people noticed their results involving cutting corners and removing construction elements so the building would fail in the finite element model. 

Since NIST denied freefall was possible here when they presented their draft report of the WTC seven collapse to the public, I'm 100 percent sure the truthers have a reliable hypothesis. NIST let people with reliable credentials ask questions about the collapse at the conference. A Physic Teacher with reliable credentials got past the setup and asked why freefall wasn't in the report.

Because freefall happened here, it couldn't be the falling building that crushed the lower half. 

The answer NIST gave to David Chandler exposed that to people paying attention. There's a video of the whole thing, so nobody can claim NIST words were taken out of context.

An exchange between NIST's Shyam Sunder ( Chief Engineer of the report) and David Chandler. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN9zi3u4Ivk&ab_channel=AE911Truth

 

In Shyam Sunder's explanation, it matches his computer models, so people know freefall wasn't caused by fire. 

His answer exposed everything. Watch the video, nothing's taken out of context.

Quote NIST 

 A] free-fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it.... What the analysis shows...is that same time it took for the structural model to come down...is 5.4 seconds. It’s about 1.5 seconds, or roughly 40 percent, more time for that free fall to happen. And that is not at all unusual because there was structural resistance that was provided in this particular case.”

Please look at the screenshot I showed you there. It matches what he said. If there's structural resistance slowing the fall, freefall is impossible. In the area where the freefall actually happened, the steel was still bending and crumbling over 2 seconds after the building collapsed. For those who pay attention, this reveals everything. 

  

Fighting Tao

I think Cheerful is stuck in a loop. Please don’t reboot him. Power him off (possibly through a high window as is the style of his country) and decommission him in and environmentally friendly manner.

robinph

So a building fell down. Some people think the video of the collapse is a bit odd.

Therefore the government is out to get us by use of exploding 5G chips in vaccines fired at us by a lizard who lives on the moon, which is a flat disc hanging from a crane in the sky because the world is flat. Have I got that right?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119628931#Comment_119628931

The collapse is characterized by freefall. In three months, NIST went from denying to claiming it happened. The final report had to be corrected because they got bamboozled by David Chandler's question. 

It's a big discrepancy between their collapse models and what they said later. So that's how the truther community knows the statement originally made is true. The fact they missed such a big part of the collapse says a lot

The downward collapse does not match what they say in the final report anyway. You can't have exterior columns still buckling in the freefall area. The worst part rarely commented on how fast the building was already descending here. There's no freefall after 2 seconds, when did it start? Controlled demolition is the only thing that fits the collapse saw. 

The idea that this would happen in the US is a dark. There's a different world than you think. People are disturbed by it, so they deny it.  

silliussoddius

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119629055#Comment_119629055

Your last two sentences perfectly sums up conspiracy theorists.

robinph

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119629055#Comment_119629055

So I was correct with my summary then, video of building falling down... Therfore you invent all sorts of nonsense to fit in nazi lizards from Pakistan and working with Iran and Israel special forces blew up the building in ways that nobody can quite explain.

Or you could just go with the simpler explanation of, building fell down.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119628357#Comment_119628357

Show me where I shared videos that misrepresented reality.

The Nal

Oh Jesus Cheerful posting the same crap for the 50th time...

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119629063#Comment_119629063

Tell me, what's your beak with conspiracy theorists.

They enable you to validate your own observation, and you're doing quite a good job at it too :)

Only for them, we wouldn't be graced by your wisdom and foresight.

There's a few people who post here who believe in some conspiracy theories.

Does that equate them with your summary ?

silliussoddius

Conspiracy theorists like to be the heroes of their own stories, to have access to special knowledge that no one else does and anyone who can’t won’t see this are sheep.

This section of the website has 80 odd pages, take a browse and you’ll see nothing but failed predictions and syphilitic fever dream ramblings.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119629205#Comment_119629205

Almost every engineering firm in the world knows this was the first time a tall steel-framed building collapsed just from fire. Having it happen during 9/11 says something's not right about the story. After that, you got the official US government engineering report, which changed the design of the building itself, so it collapsed. It would never be tolerated to take an engineering course at a university and start removing construction fittings to make a building collapse. Here's what happened, it's clearly fraud to do, but NIST somehow got away with it because of the nature of the event. 

The idea that buildings fall down is simplistic. By the fact that they had seven years of experts looking at this, none of them noticed the building collapsed at freefall until the time a truther exposed them.  

This NIST statement is them denying freefall Aug 2008 ( draft paper release)

A free-fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it.... What the analysis shows...is that same time it took for the structural model to come down...is 5.4 seconds. It’s about 1.5 seconds, or roughly 40 percent, more time for that free fall to happen. And that is not at all unusual because there was structural resistance that was provided in this particular case.”

Break it down

"A free-fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it"

The building had to collapse without structural steel or concrete underneath for freefall to be true!!!

Debunk by NIST.

"What the analysis shows...is that same time it took for the structural model to come down...is 5.4 seconds. It’s about 1.5 seconds, or roughly 40 percent, more time for that free fall to happen"

As far as NIST is concerned, the longer time Meant Freefall couldn't happen. Freefall would be 3.9 seconds Slower time was expected because there was structural steel resistance slowing the fall and the collapse was not instant ( logically mean controlled demolition)

Here's the problem with NIST's freefall theory. In the model, the steel frame was still buckling underneath when the building began to collapse, but the time is off since this is two seconds into the collapse.  

As soon as the roofline started falling, freefall would have happened in 1 to 2 seconds across the whole building. No matter how damaged, concrete or steel still requires energy to break up. Just the fact that a building fell through floors over 100 feet with no resistance says something's wrong. Floors of concrete and steel dont just magically disappear.  

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119635752#Comment_119635752

And again ranting. This is supposed to be about plausible theories.

You have a whole subsection for 9/11 stuff that you're too scared to post in.

robinph

So you've now added that the conspiracy started with the construction of the building as well?!?

Other than "weird collapse" what is there to the conspiracy? Why? Who? How?

And is any of that actually credible?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119635900#Comment_119635900

10 minutes off your day/night watch this and see if my claim about freefall is reality.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN9zi3u4Ivk&ab_channel=AE911Truth

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119635951#Comment_119635951

You keep spamming this video man. It hasn't convinced anyone before. Why do you think it will now?

It's nonsense and AE9/11 are frauds. You've admitted this yourself.

And no, your claim about freefall isn't reality. It's barely coherent.

And none of this is a credible conspiracy theory. You're only demonstrating that there aren't any, just silly conspiracy theories that theorists have been duped into thinking they are credible.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119628357#Comment_119628357

Three days later and you haven't shown me the videos I posted to misrepresent reality. Like I asked you.

Obviously you're living in a fantasy world yourself.

I'm not surprised.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119637427#Comment_119637427

You made particular claims about Fauci lying that were proven to be a complete misrepresentation when the full quote was found.

Hoop66

"Having it happen during 9/11 says something's not right about the story."

Sums up the faulty thinking perfectly.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119629055#Comment_119629055

You have been fairly prolific at proving/demonstrating how you have little to zero understanding of the terminology, phrases, words and technologies that you talk about and use on here. It is as plain as the nose on my face that you are not using your own words and are instead picking this stuff up elsewhere, regurgitating it on Boards for whatever reason (I suspect to make yourself sound smarter, but that's only my speculation) and then failing to defend it because you don't even possess the most basic of understanding of your posts. This is why, I suspect, you keep posting the same crap (including rudimentary MS paint drawings) over and over again.

Example:

The collapse is characterized by freefall. 

What does this mean, in your own words, please? And can you please explain why you typed that with a Z instead of an S.....you didn't happen to copy and paste it from some US crackpot site, by any chance?

Dohnjoe

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119635752#Comment_119635752

You're stuck on loop.

Terrorists flew planes into skyscrapers, which then collapsed.

According to you they were hit by planes then blown up by "secret Nazis" and Jews working together. In broad daylight, in front of the world, and the only person who has uncovered this is you. And you can't detail it at all.

Not exactly compelling stuff.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119637541#Comment_119637541

Your response doesn't make any sense, I asked you to show me, not represent me with a fabrication of delusions.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119641400#Comment_119641400

You lied about me being destroyed elsewhere on boards. When asked to link to it, you told me to look it up myself.

That's an example of you misrepresenting reality.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119641578#Comment_119641578

You logged in with a different account, just letting you know. By the way that thing you're waffling about was straightened out. Because I explained that you took it out of context and you appreciated my apology. And you were nice about it.

Some change of direction now though.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119642144#Comment_119642144

No, sorry, you're not making sense. I'm not protonmike, nor do I have any other accounts on here, despite what you may think.

You asked for examples where you misrepresented reality and I gave you one.

You made claims that Dohnjoe didn't "approve of people with a neutral stance, or orbit".

I pulled you on it, because that's not what he said, and asked you where he said those words.

You then claimed that was "Just an observation or oversight."

I explained that you were using the word oversight in the wrong context and you threw a wobbler.

You claimed "your arguments about the efficiency of the vaccines are being torn asunder in one of the covid threads." when I never made any claims about vaccine efficiency.

I asked for a link, and you tried to weasel out of it by changing it to "posters like myself" and told me to "read it for yourself".

I called you out....again.....annnnnnd that was it.

You never apologised for anything. You never explained anything about taking it out of context. I never appreciated any apology because none was forthcoming. You are completely delusional and are all over the shop.

Making sh1t up, confusing my claims with someone else's, weaseling out of your unfounded claims, never apologising for it, claiming that you DID in fact apologise for it, and that I was appreciative of the apology, then mixing me up with someone else.......what were you saying about misrepresenting reality again? If you're on any medication, I'd suggest you ask for the dosage to be upped.

Some change of direction is right.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119642563#Comment_119642563

Playing moderator now I see, no point in reporting you as you quite clearly have an obsession.

How many people on board's now have you accused people of weaseling out of .

As for medication lol it's a ban to be dishing out medical advice on board's, but I'm sure you'll weasel yourself out of it.

Some wobbler you're throwing now though.

You've no business suggesting a boards members on medication, or should up their dose.

You're some mess Mr.

@Badtothebone

You are a child.

I'm not moderating anything other than your inability to see what everyone else can see........the fact that you are detached from reality. I only call out wesels when I see 'em.

Tell you what, @Badtothebone Show me where you apologised for me taking it out of context and where I appreciated that apology. If you can do that, I'll take it all back. If you can't, then you're a spoofer.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119642610#Comment_119642610

Running to the mods now, goes to show what kind of guy you are.

I'm sure the moderator you're dragging into this has a lot more important things to do than entertain your woke, SJW like tantrum.

Your paragraph say's you're not moderating anything only my inability to see what everyone else can see.

You're either playing moderator or your not, now which is it ?

Retract your comment about medication please if you don't mind and we'll leave it there.

Are you okay in the head?

Also, spoofer it is.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119642669#Comment_119642669

What a weird rant. There doesn’t appear to have been an attempt by Shifty to back seat mod. I think you need to add the word ‘moderator’ to the list of words you don’t understand.

bad2thebone

Hold on a second now, I asked protonmike a question, then Shifty butt in which it was no business of his.

I should have ignored him, my bad there.

But now you're getting involved and throwing in your rattle too.

Both of you are obviously quite angry, resentful or just like arguing with people on the internet.

You'd both be better off minding your own business and find a book or something more interesting.

Why you're both triggered or cross is nothing to do with me asking protonmike a question.

Why ye but in is beyond me, obviously you're just bored. I'm not here to entertain people like you who have nothing to say really.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119642885#Comment_119642885

Jaysus. You posted on a forum where you don’t get to pick who replies. If you have issues with posts then please report them. It’d be less odd than rant and rave.

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119642892#Comment_119642892

You posted a reply that had nothing to do with your self.

I don't report post's like you and the other fellow does. I can stand on my own two feet.

And I'll not please you to report them, I'm not inclined to get involved in another board's member to get an infraction. Why should I report a post.

We can leave it there lads, it'll blow over.

No big deal, I admire your willingness to stick up for each other. Obviously you're all buddies.

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119642991#Comment_119642991

I pointed out an error you made. Sorry if you don’t like it.

By your logic there would be no discussion on the forum as so many posts don’t say “I demand that only X replies”. I suppose it fits in with conspiracy theorists wanting an echo chamber.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119642991#Comment_119642991

Translation:

"I've been caught out, and instead of owning it like a man I'm gonna double-down and throw out loads more accusations and insinuations to deflect from that fact."

Nobody's ranting but you.

Nobody's angry but you.

Nobody's resentful but you.

Nobody's triggered or cross, except for your good self.

Nobody's avoiding the points being put to them, except you.

I've not reported any posts myself but cannot speak for others, despite your accusations to the contrary.

If you engaged in actual discussion, things might be able to move forward. Instead, all we get is an impotent childish rant and a hope that we can "leave it there lads" and pray that it blows over. If I made such a fool of myself I'd probably want the same.

bad2thebone

That's a lot of nobody's, especially from someone suggesting medication to another board's member.

Well you have made a fool of yourself, you should have minded your business instead of dragging up past discussion between you and I, making it about yourself and dragging others into the foray .

Can you not move along?

Take a step back and listen to yourself, spoofer.

You're the one who asked a question. Now you've gotten your answer, which you don't like, the toys start getting thrown out of the pram. Full on brat mode engaged, including childish repetition of the words bring used against you.

Embarrassing.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119641359#Comment_119641359

Are you in the same room as K. It's obvious they are the same person or know each other. Joined the same date in 2006, same month, nothing odd there!!!! Posts with the same style of attacks and language. . 

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119643795#Comment_119643795

Why conspiracy theorist’s always assume what a rational person would assume is coincidence is a conspiracy? Back in 2006 Boards was a much more popular website with lots of new members each month, so coincidence is far more likely.

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119644053#Comment_119644053

Who just happen to join 18 years ago and on the same month, and follow each other around the conspiracy boards? It's more than a coincidence if you use the same language and style of communication too. There's a lot in common with their personalities and how they post when they're upset. Nothing is ever certain, but it's weird.  

Fighting Tao

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119644111#Comment_119644111

I don’t see either getting upset. I see conspiracy theorists getting upset and projecting their emotions onto others. That is very weird.

If you believe the two users are the same, then report them. Multiple accounts are banned. However, I know they reporting them and if found innocent it won’t stop conspiracy theorists from whining and creating a plot about how Boards is part of a conspiracy.

Fighting Tao

Btw, @Cheerful S , it’s 16 years and I don’t know who the ‘K’ is that you’re accusing of being a multi.

King Mob

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119643795#Comment_119643795

Why are you replying to him while pretending to have me on ignore then?

Cheerful S

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119644124#Comment_119644124

I'm not interested in reporting them. If posters need two accounts to express an opinion or attack other users, that's on them. From time to time, I'll end my account, but I always come back on with Cheerful Spring.  

Their writing style and accounts seemed too similar for a coincidence. That's all I got to say on that.,  

bad2thebone

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119643726#Comment_119643726

Why did you suggested that I medicate myself ?

That's a ban on board's, don't you know that medical advice isn't allowed, and suggesting that someone is on medication ain't a free pass either.

Funny how you said you don't run to mods, but yet you called out bigbagofchips and a few more members too.

Then you deleted it, lol

I see you're into name calling too , is that how you conduct yourself outside board's too.

Let me guess, you're embarassed....lol you posted a post mentioning other members and it's deleted lol