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Are there any credible conspiracy theories?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,087 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Make sure to never challenge their opinions and agree with them where possible is the best approach do you think?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    When it comes a time one realizes they'll not change their minds,it's best to let them off.

    Belittling them or their ideas is like a red rag to a bull, and sealioning them, well they're too wide to be swayed by that method.

    Conspiracy theorists and religious people are usually quite hard to debate with, because they rely on faith and have a different world view. Its not that they're unintelligent or anything. Quite a lot of them are above average in intelligence. And they sometimes put forward a good argument, not always but I give them credit for not backing down. After all it's not a fight,it's two mindsets in collision.

    Neither are going to give up.

    Best way to discuss anything with people who are unable to meet on common ground is probably over a coffee or a walk on the beach or a hike.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,087 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    I agree with the first portion, but it's not about convincing them.

    It's just about tackling the disinformation. Likewise, if you go to a soccer forum with a false claim, no one is going to convince you, but they are absolutely going to tackle your false claim.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    That's true they're going to tackle it on other thread's. Some conspiracy theorists are spreading misinformation, granted that.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Let's just clarify this, the vast majority are. Including sharing videos that misrepresent the reality. You've done it, loads of posters have.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    There's a 99.99% chance the US government doesn't even know who piggybacked this attack. There's no doubt people demolished WTC7.

    NIST hasn't seen anything like this before in a building of this type. It took seven years for them to figure out why the building collapsed due to fire, then the reason turned out to be controversial. Then people noticed their results involving cutting corners and removing construction elements so the building would fail in the finite element model. 

    Since NIST denied freefall was possible here when they presented their draft report of the WTC seven collapse to the public, I'm 100 percent sure the truthers have a reliable hypothesis. NIST let people with reliable credentials ask questions about the collapse at the conference. A Physic Teacher with reliable credentials got past the setup and asked why freefall wasn't in the report.

    Because freefall happened here, it couldn't be the falling building that crushed the lower half. 

    The answer NIST gave to David Chandler exposed that to people paying attention. There's a video of the whole thing, so nobody can claim NIST words were taken out of context.

    An exchange between NIST's Shyam Sunder ( Chief Engineer of the report) and David Chandler. 


     

    In Shyam Sunder's explanation, it matches his computer models, so people know freefall wasn't caused by fire. 

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    His answer exposed everything. Watch the video, nothing's taken out of context.

    Quote NIST 

     A] free-fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it.... What the analysis shows...is that same time it took for the structural model to come down...is 5.4 seconds. It’s about 1.5 seconds, or roughly 40 percent, more time for that free fall to happen. And that is not at all unusual because there was structural resistance that was provided in this particular case.”

    Please look at the screenshot I showed you there. It matches what he said. If there's structural resistance slowing the fall, freefall is impossible. In the area where the freefall actually happened, the steel was still bending and crumbling over 2 seconds after the building collapsed. For those who pay attention, this reveals everything. 



      



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,507 ✭✭✭Fighting Tao


    I think Cheerful is stuck in a loop. Please don’t reboot him. Power him off (possibly through a high window as is the style of his country) and decommission him in and environmentally friendly manner.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    So a building fell down. Some people think the video of the collapse is a bit odd.


    Therefore the government is out to get us by use of exploding 5G chips in vaccines fired at us by a lizard who lives on the moon, which is a flat disc hanging from a crane in the sky because the world is flat. Have I got that right?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    The collapse is characterized by freefall. In three months, NIST went from denying to claiming it happened. The final report had to be corrected because they got bamboozled by David Chandler's question. 

    It's a big discrepancy between their collapse models and what they said later. So that's how the truther community knows the statement originally made is true. The fact they missed such a big part of the collapse says a lot

    The downward collapse does not match what they say in the final report anyway. You can't have exterior columns still buckling in the freefall area. The worst part rarely commented on how fast the building was already descending here. There's no freefall after 2 seconds, when did it start? Controlled demolition is the only thing that fits the collapse saw. 

    The idea that this would happen in the US is a dark. There's a different world than you think. People are disturbed by it, so they deny it.  



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Your last two sentences perfectly sums up conspiracy theorists.



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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    So I was correct with my summary then, video of building falling down... Therfore you invent all sorts of nonsense to fit in nazi lizards from Pakistan and working with Iran and Israel special forces blew up the building in ways that nobody can quite explain.


    Or you could just go with the simpler explanation of, building fell down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Show me where I shared videos that misrepresented reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,021 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Oh Jesus Cheerful posting the same crap for the 50th time...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Tell me, what's your beak with conspiracy theorists.

    They enable you to validate your own observation, and you're doing quite a good job at it too :)

    Only for them, we wouldn't be graced by your wisdom and foresight.

    There's a few people who post here who believe in some conspiracy theories.

    Does that equate them with your summary ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,803 ✭✭✭silliussoddius


    Conspiracy theorists like to be the heroes of their own stories, to have access to special knowledge that no one else does and anyone who can’t won’t see this are sheep.

    This section of the website has 80 odd pages, take a browse and you’ll see nothing but failed predictions and syphilitic fever dream ramblings.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭Cheerful S


    Almost every engineering firm in the world knows this was the first time a tall steel-framed building collapsed just from fire. Having it happen during 9/11 says something's not right about the story. After that, you got the official US government engineering report, which changed the design of the building itself, so it collapsed. It would never be tolerated to take an engineering course at a university and start removing construction fittings to make a building collapse. Here's what happened, it's clearly fraud to do, but NIST somehow got away with it because of the nature of the event. 

    The idea that buildings fall down is simplistic. By the fact that they had seven years of experts looking at this, none of them noticed the building collapsed at freefall until the time a truther exposed them.  


    This NIST statement is them denying freefall Aug 2008 ( draft paper release)

    A free-fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it.... What the analysis shows...is that same time it took for the structural model to come down...is 5.4 seconds. It’s about 1.5 seconds, or roughly 40 percent, more time for that free fall to happen. And that is not at all unusual because there was structural resistance that was provided in this particular case.”


    Break it down

    "A free-fall time would be an object that has no structural components below it"


    The building had to collapse without structural steel or concrete underneath for freefall to be true!!!


    Debunk by NIST.

    "What the analysis shows...is that same time it took for the structural model to come down...is 5.4 seconds. It’s about 1.5 seconds, or roughly 40 percent, more time for that free fall to happen"


    As far as NIST is concerned, the longer time Meant Freefall couldn't happen. Freefall would be 3.9 seconds Slower time was expected because there was structural steel resistance slowing the fall and the collapse was not instant ( logically mean controlled demolition)


    Here's the problem with NIST's freefall theory. In the model, the steel frame was still buckling underneath when the building began to collapse, but the time is off since this is two seconds into the collapse.  

    As soon as the roofline started falling, freefall would have happened in 1 to 2 seconds across the whole building. No matter how damaged, concrete or steel still requires energy to break up. Just the fact that a building fell through floors over 100 feet with no resistance says something's wrong. Floors of concrete and steel dont just magically disappear.  



  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And again ranting. This is supposed to be about plausible theories.


    You have a whole subsection for 9/11 stuff that you're too scared to post in.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 24,146 Mod ✭✭✭✭robinph


    So you've now added that the conspiracy started with the construction of the building as well?!?

    Other than "weird collapse" what is there to the conspiracy? Why? Who? How?

    And is any of that actually credible?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,341 ✭✭✭Cheerful S




  • Posts: 25,874 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You keep spamming this video man. It hasn't convinced anyone before. Why do you think it will now?

    It's nonsense and AE9/11 are frauds. You've admitted this yourself.

    And no, your claim about freefall isn't reality. It's barely coherent.

    And none of this is a credible conspiracy theory. You're only demonstrating that there aren't any, just silly conspiracy theories that theorists have been duped into thinking they are credible.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Three days later and you haven't shown me the videos I posted to misrepresent reality. Like I asked you.

    Obviously you're living in a fantasy world yourself.

    I'm not surprised.



  • Posts: 6,559 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You made particular claims about Fauci lying that were proven to be a complete misrepresentation when the full quote was found.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,849 ✭✭✭Hoop66


    "Having it happen during 9/11 says something's not right about the story."


    Sums up the faulty thinking perfectly.



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You have been fairly prolific at proving/demonstrating how you have little to zero understanding of the terminology, phrases, words and technologies that you talk about and use on here. It is as plain as the nose on my face that you are not using your own words and are instead picking this stuff up elsewhere, regurgitating it on Boards for whatever reason (I suspect to make yourself sound smarter, but that's only my speculation) and then failing to defend it because you don't even possess the most basic of understanding of your posts. This is why, I suspect, you keep posting the same crap (including rudimentary MS paint drawings) over and over again.

    Example:

    The collapse is characterized by freefall. 

    What does this mean, in your own words, please? And can you please explain why you typed that with a Z instead of an S.....you didn't happen to copy and paste it from some US crackpot site, by any chance?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,087 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    You're stuck on loop.

    Terrorists flew planes into skyscrapers, which then collapsed.

    According to you they were hit by planes then blown up by "secret Nazis" and Jews working together. In broad daylight, in front of the world, and the only person who has uncovered this is you. And you can't detail it at all.

    Not exactly compelling stuff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Your response doesn't make any sense, I asked you to show me, not represent me with a fabrication of delusions.



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You lied about me being destroyed elsewhere on boards. When asked to link to it, you told me to look it up myself.

    That's an example of you misrepresenting reality.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    You logged in with a different account, just letting you know. By the way that thing you're waffling about was straightened out. Because I explained that you took it out of context and you appreciated my apology. And you were nice about it.

    Some change of direction now though.



  • Posts: 6,045 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    No, sorry, you're not making sense. I'm not protonmike, nor do I have any other accounts on here, despite what you may think.

    You asked for examples where you misrepresented reality and I gave you one.

    You made claims that Dohnjoe didn't "approve of people with a neutral stance, or orbit".

    I pulled you on it, because that's not what he said, and asked you where he said those words.

    You then claimed that was "Just an observation or oversight."

    I explained that you were using the word oversight in the wrong context and you threw a wobbler.

    You claimed "your arguments about the efficiency of the vaccines are being torn asunder in one of the covid threads." when I never made any claims about vaccine efficiency.

    I asked for a link, and you tried to weasel out of it by changing it to "posters like myself" and told me to "read it for yourself".

    I called you out....again.....annnnnnd that was it.

    You never apologised for anything. You never explained anything about taking it out of context. I never appreciated any apology because none was forthcoming. You are completely delusional and are all over the shop.

    Making sh1t up, confusing my claims with someone else's, weaseling out of your unfounded claims, never apologising for it, claiming that you DID in fact apologise for it, and that I was appreciative of the apology, then mixing me up with someone else.......what were you saying about misrepresenting reality again? If you're on any medication, I'd suggest you ask for the dosage to be upped.

    Some change of direction is right.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,442 ✭✭✭bad2thebone


    Playing moderator now I see, no point in reporting you as you quite clearly have an obsession.

    How many people on board's now have you accused people of weaseling out of .

    As for medication lol it's a ban to be dishing out medical advice on board's, but I'm sure you'll weasel yourself out of it.

    Some wobbler you're throwing now though.

    You've no business suggesting a boards members on medication, or should up their dose.

    You're some mess Mr.



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