How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

Will Yam

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

There has been a deputy chief medical officer appointed with responsibility for schools. Zara King interviewed her yesterday for Virgin Media.

Take what you want from that appointment.

The pro closing the schools brigade will dismiss her as propaganda if she doesn’t deliver the required result.

wirelessdude01

Will Yam wrote: »

The pro closing the schools brigade will dismiss her as propaganda if she doesn’t deliver the required result.

You and the likes of Marko are the only people who mention closing schools.

I'd hope that she is a little more transparent when it comes to school aged going cases. I'd love if we got data on pre-primary school cases, cases in primary and cases in secondary going humans.

Also maybe have a specific day each week where information and trends relating to schools are released. With the lack of information it is being filled by some people. No one knows what the exact story is and that then leads to that Facebook group being created. Now they have a list but I personally know of a good few schools that aren't listed on it that have had confirmed cases. Indeed one school on that list has 7 cases that I know of but they only have been sent 3 of the HSE letters so verify so they list 3.

Mrsmum

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

You and the likes of Marko are the only people who mention closing schools.

I'd hope that she is a little more transparent when it comes to school aged going cases. I'd love if we got data on pre-primary school cases, cases in primary and cases in secondary going humans.

Also maybe have a specific day each week where information and trends relating to schools are released. With the lack of information it is being filled by some people. No one knows what the exact story is and that then leads to that Facebook group being created. Now they have a list but I personally know of a good few schools that aren't listed on it that have had confirmed cases. Indeed one school on that list has 7 cases that I know of but they only have been sent 3 of the HSE letters so verify so they list 3.

I don't think she will be of any comfort to you so because she basically said people were getting fake numbers from false reports ( my take on her wording) and that all the correct info is on the HSE website.

deiseindublin

I just don't know how they are still saying schools are not spreading the virus, friend of mine in a Dublin primary, class sent home as one child tested positive, all others tested and two more positive cases. Amazing coincidence.

wirelessdude01

Mrsmum wrote: »

I don't think she will be of any comfort to you so because she basically said people were getting fake numbers from false reports ( my take on her wording) and that all the correct info is on the HSE website.

That's more or less what she alluded.

Having said that Paul Reid said there were no clusters and no schools had been closed by the HSE(this the morning after the school in Celbridge had been told to close by the HSE), the HSE letter was widely available to view online. Also Ronan Glynn mentioned one figure in relation to school cases but then that night Stephen Donnelly mentioned a different figure in relation to the same thing.

Different people who should all be saying the same thing are contradicting each other. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the veracity of what they say. The message across the board is very very muddled. Doctor from Lifford on radio one this morning talking about how close contacts of positive cases aren't being told after a negative result that they still need to restrict their movements.

wirelessdude01

deiseindublin wrote: »

I just don't know how they are still saying schools are not spreading the virus, friend of mine in a Dublin primary, class sent home as one child tested positive, all others tested and two more positive cases. Amazing coincidence.

That's what happened with the school in Celbridge. Class testing turned up alot of positive tests but nothing to see here was the mantra.

downthemiddle

Will Yam wrote: »

The pro closing the schools brigade will dismiss her as propaganda if she doesn’t deliver the required result.

I don't know what exactly the required result is. I do know that the people calling for the closure of schools are in a tiny minority.
If analysis shows there is a problem in schools will you call for their closure?

glack

To keep schools open, serious investment needs to be put into contact tracing. A colleague this week got a phone call from the HSE last weekend. Her daughter had come into contact with a confirmed case a week before. Daughter was directed to restrict movements pending a test. Fine - no issue with that. Her family could go about their normal lives-going to work and school. Also fine, she had no symptoms after all. However a week later she still has not had a call to go for testing. That to me is bonkers. 2 weeks now she she was exposed. Her siblings and parents could have spread it to 3 other schools in the community.

In contrast, another colleagues spouse had symptoms-they both stayed home pending a test through their gp. Referred Monday, tested Tuesday, results Wednesday. Clearly no issue locally in the testing centre or labs.

The contact tracers are the ones overwhelmed.

teachinggal123

It’ll be difficult for the schools to close again because of the *uneven* way online/hybrid worked last time. There will likely be a lot of opposition from some parents if it’s proposed that schools close again.

The unions should have been shouting from the rooftops about getting a standardised online learning platform established. Teachers should have been demanding this. Teachers should have been given training throughout either the summer or in September. Schools then back in October starting with a hybrid approach, and then a strong, coordinated and standardised online strategy in place if they need to close.

Instead we have the current shlt3h0w where schools have to be kept open because there is no other option.

And btw, even though I’ve been critical of teachers in this thread it is a fact that we are currently working in a dangerous environment and at a high risk of getting COVID. I know we are not unique, but please remember that there is genuine fear and anger among my colleagues and other teacher friends about how this is panning out.

Blondini

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

You and the likes of Marko are the only people who mention closing schools.

Correct. The only people who keep rattling on about closing schools are Marko et al.

Normal people like you and I, although rightly concerned about schools, are NOT the users who keep insisting on repeating this "close the schools" rubbish.

It's boring.

Will Yam

Blondini wrote: »

Correct. The only people who keep rattling on about closing schools are Marko et al.

Normal people like you and I, although rightly concerned about schools, are NOT the users who keep insisting on repeating this "close the schools" rubbish.

It's boring.

Normal people!!!

We are still waiting for you to stand up your fake 200 number.

You said it was cases.

Then you said it was schools.

Which is it? Are are both just makeyuppy figures?

Will Yam

teachinggal123 wrote: »

It’ll be difficult for the schools to close again because of the *uneven* way online/hybrid worked last time. There will likely be a lot of opposition from some parents if it’s proposed that schools close again.

The unions should have been shouting from the rooftops about getting a standardised online learning platform established. Teachers should have been demanding this. Teachers should have been given training throughout either the summer or in September. Schools then back in October starting with a hybrid approach, and then a strong, coordinated and standardised online strategy in place if they need to close.

Instead we have the current shlt3h0w where schools have to be kept open because there is no other option.

And btw, even though I’ve been critical of teachers in this thread it is a fact that we are currently working in a dangerous environment and at a high risk of getting COVID. I know we are not unique, but please remember that there is genuine fear and anger among my colleagues and other teacher friends about how this is panning out.

They were shouting from the rooftops about getting a guarantee they couldn’t catch Covid.

Oh, and about money, of course!

downthemiddle

Will Yam wrote: »

They were shouting from the rooftops about getting a guarantee they couldn’t catch Covid.
Oh, and about money, of course!

Ah Willy, just when started engaging in some adult debate you resort to this nonsense again. Why are you so predictable?

Blondini

downthemiddle wrote: »

Ah Willy, just when started engaging in some adult debate you resort to this nonsense again. Why are you so predictable?

Revert to type, as they say.

Blondini

Will Yam wrote: »

Normal people!!!

We are still waiting for you to stand up your fake 200 number.

You said it was cases.

Then you said it was schools.

Which is it? Are are both just makeyuppy figures?

201 now.

s1ippy

This thread is such a mire that I wasn't going to bother posting this but there are people with a genuine interest here too.

Regarding the school in Celbridge:
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/kildare-school-sends-urgent-letter-to-parents-after-several-covid-19-cases-confirmed/ar-BB19kFl2?li=BBr5KbJ

"I believe there is an increasing awareness about the importance of all these precautions and that it is up to each individual to protect themselves and their families."

Yeah, I would be enthusiastically doing that. Imagine having to just basically tell parents "Our hands are tied, we have cases, it's your choice if you want to run this gauntlet."

I know this is a secondary school but at primary level, this faffing about by the HSE puts people in a position where their child's school is open so technically they can't take work off to mind them if they are worried about the risks. I doubt that is an accidental move. Of course people with less job security and paid leave are the ones who will pay.

khalessi

s1ippy wrote: »

This thread is such a mire that I wasn't going to bother posting this but there are people with a genuine interest here too.

Regarding the school in Celbridge:
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/kildare-school-sends-urgent-letter-to-parents-after-several-covid-19-cases-confirmed/ar-BB19kFl2?li=BBr5KbJ

"I believe there is an increasing awareness about the importance of all these precautions and that it is up to each individual to protect themselves and their families."

Yeah, I would be enthusiastically doing that. Imagine having to just basically tell parents "Our hands are tied, we have cases, it's your choice if you want to run this gauntlet."

I know this is a secondary school but at primary level, this faffing about by the HSE puts people in a position where their child's school is open so technically they can't take work off to mind them if they are worried about the risks. I doubt that is an accidental move. Of course people with less job security and paid leave are the ones who will pay.

THe interesting thing about Celbridge is that a primary school had multiple cases first then that secondary with multiple cases and another secondary also developed at least one case.

Mrsmum

s1ippy wrote: »

This thread is such a mire that I wasn't going to bother posting this but there are people with a genuine interest here too.

Regarding the school in Celbridge:
https://www.msn.com/en-ie/news/coronavirus/kildare-school-sends-urgent-letter-to-parents-after-several-covid-19-cases-confirmed/ar-BB19kFl2?li=BBr5KbJ

"I believe there is an increasing awareness about the importance of all these precautions and that it is up to each individual to protect themselves and their families."

Yeah, I would be enthusiastically doing that. Imagine having to just basically tell parents "Our hands are tied, we have cases, it's your choice if you want to run this gauntlet."

I know this is a secondary school but at primary level, this faffing about by the HSE puts people in a position where their child's school is open so technically they can't take work off to mind them if they are worried about the risks. I doubt that is an accidental move. Of course people with less job security and paid leave are the ones who will pay.

Very disappointing that students that do not even need minding at home were sent in to school in a state that the school sent them home again. I am somewhat familiar with that school, it is an all boys school with pupils from Celbridge, Maynooth and Leixlip. Also quite a sporty school I believe and the pupils there will be playing GAA and soccer etc outside of school with pupils in other schools around there. And they will have sisters that they are mixing with at home that go to other schools.

Will Yam

Mrsmum wrote: »

I don't think she will be of any comfort to you so because she basically said people were getting fake numbers from false reports ( my take on her wording) and that all the correct info is on the HSE website.

She must be reading a veteran educators posts on here so.

Will Yam

downthemiddle wrote: »

Ah Willy, just when started engaging in some adult debate you resort to this nonsense again. Why are you so predictable?

Are you suggesting they weren’t seeking a guarantee against Covid as a condition to going to work?

Or are you suggesting that money is not among the reasons they propose to strike for?

wirelessdude01

I see they have admitted that the testing system wasn't able to cope with the demands needed by the return to schools.

Surely they should have anticipated that this was going to occur.

Will Yam

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

I see they have admitted that the testing system wasn't able to cope with the demands needed by the return to schools.

Surely they should have anticipated that this was going to occur.

I’m astonished at this. Had a phone consultation with gp at 12 noon today. Had a test done by 3.30. No problem at all.

downthemiddle

Will Yam wrote: »

I’m astonished at this. Had a phone consultation with gp at 12 noon today. Had a test done by 3.30. No problem at all.

Don't go back to school until you get your results!!!

lulublue22

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

That's more or less what she alluded.

Having said that Paul Reid said there were no clusters and no schools had been closed by the HSE(this the morning after the school in Celbridge had been told to close by the HSE), the HSE letter was widely available to view online. Also Ronan Glynn mentioned one figure in relation to school cases but then that night Stephen Donnelly mentioned a different figure in relation to the same thing.

Different people who should all be saying the same thing are contradicting each other. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence in the veracity of what they say. The message across the board is very very muddled. Doctor from Lifford on radio one this morning talking about how close contacts of positive cases aren't being told after a negative result that they still need to restrict their movements.

According to the Cork Examiner a special school in Cork is also closed due to Covid 19.

Will Yam

downthemiddle wrote: »

Don't go back to school until you get your results!!!

Or 14 days after, I’m told.

Blondini

lulublue22 wrote: »

According to the Cork Examiner a special school in Cork is also closed due to Covid 19.

Unfortunately I know personally of a special school in South Dublin that closed too

Poor children.

wirelessdude01

lulublue22 wrote: »

According to the Cork Examiner a special school in Cork is also closed due to Covid 19.

That the school in Curraheen?

lulublue22

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

That the school in Curraheen?

Yes - a number if cases in the school makes you question the whole no transmission in school theory.

lulublue22

Blondini wrote: »

Unfortunately I know personally of a special school in South Dublin that closed too

Poor children.

Very difficult for all just back and closed again. Very disruptive for the children involved.

wirelessdude01

In special schools as well the disruption is even worse. Just back in some form of routine and then out again.