How will schools be able to go back in September? (Continued)

meeeeh

TonyMaloney wrote: »

You suspect that the people worried about school outbreaks are racist?

Bit of a stretch, genius

No I think that it's the same type of people going on about media cover ups.

It's clear that school reopening is also handy battle ground for left wing unions in UK where Irish unions got some inspiration but luckily didn't go overly crazy.

It would be completely naive to think Corona is not used in all sort of ways for political gains.

TonyMaloney

meeeeh wrote: »

No I think that it's the same type of people going on about media cover ups.

It's clear that school reopening is also handy battle ground for left wing unions in UK where Irish unions got some inspiration but luckily didn't go overly crazy.

It would be completely naive to think Corona is not used in all sort of ways for political gains.

naive is putting out the rubbish you did on a forum and expecting to be engaged with properly afterwards

Boggles

meeeeh wrote: »

Is Corona the new 'muslims are raping our women and it's not being covered by media' story? It's the same bs by what I suspect are the same posters.

Nobody is covering up stories, if anything there is too much news on it and like 40 schools in Berlin example it's being made a lot worse than it is. Germany doesn't do centralised data well because there is a lot of regional autonomy. School openings and requirements for schools is what regional governments deal with. Glasgow case is one and there are probably more student to student transmissions. However less likely doesn't equal it won't happen.

Accusations about cover up in Sweden are very handy for the 'muslims raus' crowd who consider Sweden liberal hell hole. I don't like their smugness around Corona but they are not hiding information.

meeeeh wrote: »

No I think that it's the same type of people going on about media cover ups.

It's clear that school reopening is also handy battle ground for left wing unions in UK where Irish unions got some inspiration but luckily didn't go overly crazy.

It would be completely naive to think Corona is not used in all sort of ways for political gains.

meeeeh

TonyMaloney wrote: »

naive is putting out the rubbish you did on a forum and expecting to be engaged with properly afterwards

Why did you ask then? Oh do we all go full blown Donald Trump going on about fake news? Is that what you want?

caveat emptor

Scotland are ahead of us. Looking at what they are doing is akin to looking into the future.
It's that simple. They've already implemented restrictions in Glasgow in a bid to curtail the spread.
It should be at least considered rather than peddling out the "well we knew it was going to happen" now
whereas 2 weeks ago it was "there is no evidence"
In 4 weeks time it'll be "well children were going to get sick"

https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1301442832457175045?s=20

Non solum non ambulabit

TonyMaloney wrote: »

naive is putting out the rubbish you did on a forum and expecting to be engaged with properly afterwards

You are the guy spouting rubbish about suspected cases. That sort of uneducated input dents your creditibility massively making it pointless engaging with you.

meeeeh

caveat emptor wrote: »

Scotland are ahead of us. Looking at what they are doing is akin to looking into the future.
It's that simple. They've already implemented restrictions in Glasgow in a bid to curtail the spread.
It should be at least considered rather than peddling out the "well we knew it was going to happen" now
whereas 2 weeks ago it was "there is no evidence"
In 4 weeks time it'll be "well children were going to get sick"

https://twitter.com/ToryFibs/status/1301442832457175045?s=20

Do you actually have reliable news about that or just xy Twitter account because everything on twitter is true.

I actually wish people started posting proper links because quoting twitter without clear source is like quoting your own post three pages down. It's a breading ground for ignorance and stupidity. Come on surely nobody wants to be that stupid...

TonyMaloney

Non solum non ambulabit wrote: »

You are the guy spouting rubbish about suspected cases. That sort of uneducated input dents your creditibility massively making it pointless engaging with you.

Don't engage with me. Please.

Locotastic

Balagan1 wrote: »

Kept waiting for NPHET to advise that grandparents over 70 or anyone medically vulnerable need to avoid contact as much as possible with extended family, especially with kids going to school, parents back to work etc. Hard for grandparents to say "No" especially as, since June, they have been reunited with grandkids and delighted to be so and families had resumed relying on them for childcare which, in many cases, have increased with return to school i.e., pick ups, tiding over till parents finish work etc. Probably advice will come in next few days but should have been earlier.

Maybe they are assuming adults can make personal decisions for themselves.

Don't count on the NPHET to cover every aspect of everyone's life with guidelines.

Boggles

Locotastic wrote: »

Don't count on the NPHET to cover every aspect of everyone's life with guidelines.

They literally recommended everyone over the age of 70 or those that are "vulnerable" should not leave their house / garden or have visitors indoors.



A little titbit going forward would hardly be over reach FFS.

You and your 15 accounts would literally argue the color of shít.

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

Scotland health officials said transmission in school detected.

There's one white lie dismissed. Of course it'll never be known here as it won't be made public. (on purpose)

i.e "kids don't transmit it in school"

https://twitter.com/DeeGilhawley/status/1301431200725204993?s=20

Who said kids don’t transmit in schools? Lower risk and more likely to pick up elsewhere does not mean zero risk. No need to make up things to argue against.

Boggles

Boggles wrote: »

How the virus reacts in schools particularly in Europe is probably one of the biggest stories of interest since this pandemic started and should really be a hot topic now given the entire scientific community is looking at it with fingers crossed.

Perceived suppression of the information nationally would not be new, Sweden were accused of the exact same thing, Sweden in fact refused by and large to test students, a pretty selfish act considering that information could have been used by the rest of the EU to formulate a coherent back to school strategy.

Yes "zero risk" in everything, kids need schooling or whatever other tired cliche this virus doesn't really give 2 fúcks about.

We are all being asked to act responsibly and adjust our behavior accordingly, I always find this can be achieved better with transparent factual information.

The scientists are telling us to reopen the schools

Locotastic

Locotastic wrote: »

Maybe they are assuming adults can make personal decisions for themselves.

Don't count on the NPHET to cover every aspect of everyone's life with guidelines.

I expect the National Public Health Emergency Team which was set up to deal with the ongoing pandemic to issue guidelines in respect of the said pandemic. Nothing more. Nothing less.

Boggles

Deleted User wrote: »

The scientists are telling us to reopen the schools

Well not all "scientists", but some certainly are, with certain caveats, it's the absolute right thing to do.

Where did I suggest otherwise?

JDD

Scotland's cases have gone up in the same way that infections have gone up everywhere across Europe. There is no causal link between the increase in cases, and the opening of schools. 40,000 pupils were tested in August, with 117 positive cases found - a positivity rate of 0.3%.

So if we're using Scotland's experience in opening schools as a crystal ball into our future, we will have done spectacularly well.

Boggles

JDD wrote: »

Scotland's cases have gone up in the same way that infections have gone up everywhere across Europe. There is no causal link between the increase in cases, and the opening of schools. 40,000 pupils were tested in August, with 117 positive cases found - a positivity rate of 0.3%.

So if we're using Scotland's experience in opening schools as a crystal ball into our future, we will have done spectacularly well.

What do you think the positivity rate might be in November?

I mean if Scotlands main focus was to keep schools open for just August when there is relatively little community spread of the virus then I suppose yeah it has been spectacular.

facehugger99

Balagan1 wrote: »

Kept waiting for NPHET to advise that grandparents over 70 or anyone medically vulnerable need to avoid contact as much as possible with extended family, especially with kids going to school, parents back to work etc. .

People don't need to be mammied at every step by Government.

Let people make their own decisions.

meeeeh

facehugger99 wrote: »

People don't need to be mammied at every step by Government.

Let people make their own decisions.

I must say I agree with that. I believe lockdown was a right decision in spring but I also believe attitude towards elderly was incredibly patronising and the cocooning term the most disingenuous description of mandatory isolation.

I think at the moment elderly can decide themselves how much contact they want to have with younger generations. Different measures might be needed later if hospital numbers increase.

meeeeh

Boggles wrote: »

What do you think the positivity rate might be in November?

I mean if Scotlands main focus was to keep schools open for just August when there is relatively little community spread of the virus then I suppose yeah it has been spectacular.

How do you know it will be so much higher? It doesn't seem Corona is a winter bug so an outbreak in August is just as likely as outbreak in November. November is scary because flu starts going around too.

sideswipe

facehugger99 wrote: »

People don't need to be mammied at every step by Government.

Let people make their own decisions.

They don't 'need' to be but you'd be surprised how many want to be. I've spoken to people who want a government road map to take a s**t when it comes to this pandemic.

s1ippy

facehugger99 wrote: »

People don't need to be mammied at every step by Government.

Let people make their own decisions.

I know my own elderly parents aren't comfortable with childcare now that the kids are in school, but they would be reluctant to say it to my siblings with children who need minding. If it came from NPHET it would preclude them from having to have the conversation which could turn sour because it puts front and centre the fact that we are still trying to protect elderly people.

Boggles

meeeeh wrote: »

How do you know it will be so much higher?

Because that is what we are being told by public health.

"It's going to be a more difficult winter then we've ever faced before because we're heading into winter and managing Covid and trying to scale up our services, that we had to scale down during Covid so we've to manage those three dimensions.

"[I'm] apprehensive to the extent that the plans that we've put in place are quiet different.

"On a normal day we're at about 95 per cent bed capacity and we know that there's over 100 per cent in winter so we will need to do things very differently.

"I have hope and confidence has we enter this new phase because we have a lot of learnings. We need to live differently and plan differently."

- Head of the HSE.

the fall and the winter of 2020 and 2021 are going to be the probably one of the most difficult times that we experienced in American public health

- Head of the CDC (Trump fanboy)

caveat emptor

meeeeh wrote: »

How do you know it will be so much higher? It doesn't seem Corona is a winter bug so an outbreak in August is just as likely as outbreak in November. November is scary because flu starts going around too.

Why does corona not go around in November? We haven’t had a November with this. You can’t say “it’s just as likely” So I’m afraid the best you can say is you don’t know. Stop misinforming people.

Evidence suggests it will pick up like every single other respitory disease.

meeeeh

Boggles wrote: »

Because that is what we are being told by public health.




- Head of the HSE.



- Head of the CDC (Trump fanboy)

That's because it comes in tandem with flu which by itself increases pressure on hospital beds. Plus they are catching up on cancer and all other necessary treatments.

I think it's likely Covid will go up because we are opening society but the quote you posted is not just about Covid but about all other health issues hospitals health system has to deal with.

meeeeh

caveat emptor wrote: »

Why does corona not go around in November?

I didn't say it's not going around in November, I wrote it's not a winter bug like flu, it's an all year bug, higher air temperature doesn't kill it.

Boggles

meeeeh wrote: »

That's because it comes in tandem with flu which by itself increases pressure on hospital beds. Plus they are catching up on cancer and all other necessary treatments.

I think it's likely Covid will go up because we are opening society but the quote you posted is not just about Covid but about all other health issues hospitals health system has to deal with.

:pac:

Yes, they are more worried about the flu for which they have effective treatments and vaccines and not the novel virus that is exponentially more deadly and more infectious where virtually no one has immunity from.

Are you on a wind up?

Locotastic

s1ippy wrote: »

I know my own elderly parents aren't comfortable with childcare now that the kids are in school, but they would be reluctant to say it to my siblings with children who need minding. If it came from NPHET it would preclude them from having to have the conversation which could turn sour because it puts front and centre the fact that we are still trying to protect elderly people.

So NPHET should make guidelines across the board for a huge number of people so that people like your parents can avoid an honest and legitimate conversation about their concerns?

Or God forbid working parents might have to source alternative childcare if grandparents aren't comfortable?

Waiting for guidelines to avoid family conflicts.

Locotastic

Boggles wrote: »

:pac:

Yes, they are more worried about the flu for which they have effective treatments and vaccines and not the novel virus that is exponentially more deadly and more infectious where virtually no one has immunity from.

Are you on a wind up?

Imagine if, with all the extra hygiene measures and additional flu vaccines and mask wearing, we had an exceptionally quiet flu season :eek:

Boggles

Locotastic wrote: »

Imagine if, with all the extra hygiene measures and additional flu vaccines and mask wearing, we had an exceptionally quiet flu season :eek:

Sure you have all ready stated you and your family will not be participating in such folly.

Imagine.

bladespin

Locotastic wrote: »

Imagine if, with all the extra hygiene measures and additional flu vaccines and mask wearing, we had an exceptionally quiet flu season :eek:

Hopefully though I'm doubtful, the youngest lad is back less than a week and think he has a cold - just a blocked nose thankfully.