Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Loafing Oaf

MadYaker wrote: »

There's nothing paradoxical about it. 90% of those infected are under 35 so there's only about 4 in ICU I think?

My opinion (and that's all it is) is that this continued spread that we've seen in this age group for weeks now isn't sustainable because at some point the virus will reach a level in the community where it starts to spread to older age demographics and then we have a problem.

But at what point do we conclude that this is not going to happen, if things keep going on as they are? If we get into October, say, and we're still seeing scores of new cases per day, but no significant uptick in deaths/ICU admissions, can we not conclude at that point that 'life-threatening covid' will not be returning on any wide scale and the pandemic is effectively over? Or do we have to keep on a 'war footing' until we get a vaccine irrespective of trends in cases/serious cases/deaths?

Spiderman0081

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Jeasus this escalated rapidly

Account must be hacked

Thierry12

MadYaker wrote: »

There's nothing paradoxical about it. 90% of those infected are under 35 so there's only about 4 in ICU I think?

My opinion (and that's all it is)

the virus will reach a level in the community where it starts to spread to older age demographics and then we have a problem. Irish society isn't divided into 2 separate groups of those less at risk and those more at risk.

The old people all over europe have some skill to be avoiding that virus since June ;-)

Have visions of the walking dead and old folk here avoiding young people like they have the plague

28 weeks later finally has a sequel

MadYaker

Thierry12 wrote: »

The old people all over europe have some skill to be avoiding that virus since June ;-)

Have visions of the walking dead and old folk here avoiding young people like they have the plague

28 weeks later finally has a sequel

You can talk sh!te all you like but the data being released by NPHET of people testing positive is pretty clear. Almost all under 35.

MadYaker

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

But at what point do we conclude that this is not going to happen, if things keep going on as they are? If we get into October, say, and we're still seeing scores of new cases per day, but no significant uptick in deaths/ICU admissions, can we not conclude at that point that 'life-threatening covid' will not be returning on any wide scale and the pandemic is effectively over? Or do we have to keep on a 'war footing' until we get a vaccine irrespective of trends in cases/serious cases/deaths?

But you ignore trends and focus on daily numbers?

We conclude it's not going to happen when it doesn't happen because we take measures to continue preventing it from happening. If we are reporting 100 cases a day from now until October then deaths and ICU capacity wilL inevitably go up, how couldn't it? Do you think the virus is somehow different now? Lets try caps lock

THE VIRUS HAS NOT CHANGED, THE PEOPLE GETTING INFECTED HAVE.

lee_baby_simms

MadYaker wrote: »

You can talk sh!te all you like but the data being released by NPHET of people testing positive is pretty clear. Almost all under 35.

What about the data from Spain I posted earlier that you ignored?

10,000 people above the age of 70 have been infected since May. 1/5 the death rate now than the period up to May.

60-70 year olds; 1/10 the death rate in the same period.

Old people are still getting the virus.

Charles Babbage

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

So why then are we continuing to restrict the overwhelming majority of people who are at little to no risk from this virus, rather than focusing our efforts on those who actually need those resources and support?

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Because those people will pass on the virus to someone else who may not at as little risk as them. These people might not be the people they infect, but those they infect in turn. A growing trend is dangerous, not least because this pandemic is iike an oil tanker. The largest number of deaths in April came 4 weeks after full lockdown. At present people say there is no iceberg in sight and not to worry, but this approach does not always work.


A version of this heatmap in Florida was posted here previously. You have a triangle shaped effect, first lots of young irresponsible people, but each week more and more cases in all age groups. Since then Florida has had several dozen deaths each day.



Ireland may be better setup then Florida, but society does not have two groups who do not interact, they do.

bucketybuck

MadYaker wrote: »

Yes, lets focus on one single number in a massively complex and constantly evolving situation, that will definitely give us the clearest picture of reality.

Ah, sorry, when you said you focused on the numbers I thought you might be interested in the single most important number there is, the number of people dying from this virus.

CruelSummer

Just rewatched the RTÉ news from earlier...I cannot believe what I’ve just witnessed. A solicitor is given airtime encouraging people to take a ‘civil’ case if they contract Covid from a house gathering. Is this what Leo Varadkar was alluding to on Friday?
1. They’ve taken away many social outlets except restaurants, and kept any that are open so full of restrictive practises, it discouraged people to see their friends/families/loved ones.
2. They’ve banned people going to watch sports.
3. They’ve kept pubs closed and then fuelled ‘outrage’ about young people dancing in the street in Killarney having fun on a Saturday night.
4. They’re now encouraging people to sue thy neighbour?!

This is not normal behaviour for a government or health officials. Things seems to be taking a more serious turn as the population being to wake up to the farce this current situation is...anyone else feel like they’re living in never ending nightmare?
How could any politician / medical official sleep at night looking at the current data, and suggest destroying the fabric of our precious society & communities by encouraging social media outrage, suing each other & ‘blaming’ each other if someone gets Covid.

The amount of excess deaths from these continuing measures, bankrupting our state, and destroying the population’s mental health+society will be staggering and is completely avoidable.

Spiderman0081

CruelSummer wrote: »

Just rewatched the RTÉ news from earlier...I cannot believe what I’ve just witnessed. A solicitor is given airtime encouraging people to take a ‘civil’ case if they contract Covid from a house gathering. Is this what Leo Varadkar was alluding to on Friday?
1. They’ve taken away many social outlets except restaurants, and kept any that are open so full of restrictive practises, it discouraged people to see their friends/families/loved ones.
2. They’ve banned people going to watch sports.
3. They’ve kept pubs closed and then fuelled ‘outrage’ about young people dancing in the street in Killarney having fun on a Saturday night.
4. They’re now encouraging people to sue thy neighbour?!

This is not normal behaviour for a government or health officials. Things seems to be taking a more serious turn as the population being to wake up to the farce this current situation is...anyone else feel like they’re living in never ending nightmare?
How could any politician / medical official sleep at night looking at the current data, and suggest destroying the fabric of our precious society & communities by encouraging social media outrage, suing each other & ‘blaming’ each other if someone gets Covid.

The amount of excess deaths from these continuing measures, bankrupting our state, and destroying the population’s mental health+society will be staggering and is completely avoidable.

The vast majority of politicians become politicians because they never, ever have any trouble sleeping at night.

Idbatterim

Its a country run and influenced by despicable scum. Nothing new there! Odds on maria bailey being the first to sue after she purposefully contracts covid from the sophies swing ?

Penfailed

CruelSummer wrote: »

anyone else feel like they’re living in never ending nightmare?

No. If you currently are, I'd suggest an appointment with your GP.

3xh

CruelSummer wrote: »

Just rewatched the RTÉ news from earlier...I cannot believe what I’ve just witnessed. A solicitor is given airtime encouraging people to take a ‘civil’ case if they contract Covid from a house gathering. Is this what Leo Varadkar was alluding to on Friday?
1. They’ve taken away many social outlets except restaurants, and kept any that are open so full of restrictive practises, it discouraged people to see their friends/families/loved ones.
2. They’ve banned people going to watch sports.
3. They’ve kept pubs closed and then fuelled ‘outrage’ about young people dancing in the street in Killarney having fun on a Saturday night.
4. They’re now encouraging people to sue thy neighbour?!

This is not normal behaviour for a government or health officials. Things seems to be taking a more serious turn as the population being to wake up to the farce this current situation is...anyone else feel like they’re living in never ending nightmare?
How could any politician / medical official sleep at night looking at the current data, and suggest destroying the fabric of our precious society & communities by encouraging social media outrage, suing each other & ‘blaming’ each other if someone gets Covid.

The amount of excess deaths from these continuing measures, bankrupting our state, and destroying the population’s mental health+society will be staggering and is completely avoidable.

Meanwhile, in a similarly populated EU country......

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/no_infection_clusters_linked_to_summer_festivals/11518648

These facts speak for themselves.

Quantum Erasure

The fact that they got lucky?

Assetbacked

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

The fact that they got lucky?

The fact it is not a harmful virus for the vast majority of the population.

So many ignorant posts in this thread. It's like whack a mole batting them down and putting them back in their box.

average_runner

I think the virus has mutated into a weaker version which is great news and could be a sign its dying out.

Happydays2020

average_runner wrote: »

I think the virus has mutated into a weaker version which is great news and could be a sign its dying out.

Is there any evidence that it has weakened or could it be the case that the preventative community measures are reducing the viral load or simply that it has not being transmitted inter-generationally?

If it is the case then we really should just be opening up more.

normanoffside

3xh wrote: »

Meanwhile, in a similarly populated EU country......

https://yle.fi/uutiset/osasto/news/no_infection_clusters_linked_to_summer_festivals/11518648

These facts speak for themselves.

In before someone says that Finns don’t drink like the Irish

CruelSummer

Penfailed wrote: »

No. If you currently are, I'd suggest an appointment with your GP.

Really...so you’re happy with the way things currently are then? Looking forward to budget 2020?

Not to mention extra bank charges:

https://m.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/banks-plan-a-raft-of-fee-increases-for-customers-39490220.html

3xh

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

The fact that they got lucky?

Haha! Yep. All multiple thousands of them. Sure.

Keep believing our NPHET’s ideas are required to stave off this virus.

copeyhagen

3xh wrote: »

Haha! Yep. All multiple thousands of them. Sure.

Keep believing our NPHET’s ideas are required to stave off this virus.

lucky bastrds, i hope all 50k of them done the lotto.

storker

CruelSummer wrote: »

Not to mention extra bank charges:

https://m.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/banks-plan-a-raft-of-fee-increases-for-customers-39490220.html

Oh yeah, because the banks needed COVID to happen before they could screw their customers... :rolleyes:

MadYaker

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

What about the data from Spain I posted earlier that you ignored?

10,000 people above the age of 70 have been infected since May. 1/5 the death rate now than the period up to May.

60-70 year olds; 1/10 the death rate in the same period.

Old people are still getting the virus.

I don’t see any links to that in this thread can you link it again?

Edit: data on Spain here and it looks like deaths are increasing? https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/spain/

storker

average_runner wrote: »

I think the virus has mutated into a weaker version which is great news and could be a sign its dying out.

I've been wondering about this too, but a virus killing less people makes it more likely to spread and stay with us, not the other way round. Consider, for example, Ebola vs the common cold. But the apparent reduced-lethality could also because the average of sufferers is lower now than it was earlier.

CruelSummer

I cannot believe Prof Luke O’Neil is on Newstalk standing over and promoting this:
Health Passport Ireland - saying it should be rolled out in nursing homes, schools, healthcare settings, etc.

https://youtu.be/U88ZKJhztiM

CruelSummer

CruelSummer wrote: »

Really...so you’re happy with the way things currently are then? Looking forward to budget 2020?

Not to mention extra bank charges:

https://m.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/banks-plan-a-raft-of-fee-increases-for-customers-39490220.html

Did you see the UK? Looks like they are planning huge tax hikes.

I'm sure we'll see the same in Ireland. Huge tax hikes and equally huge cuts to spending.

I think a lot of people will look back and wonder if it was really necessary to take such drastic actions to prevent the spread of an illness that kills so few.

GocRh

United and Delta not resuming services to the West in 2021. Aer Lingus moving aircraft from Shannon to the UK on a 3 year lease.

Surely travel to the US won't be a thing for a while, but the government should ensure that there are supports in place to retain critical infrastructure so services can resume when safe.

Once again it seems that the impact in the countryside will be more severe than in Dublin... Pubs closed, tourists gone, flights gone ...


https://www.irishtimes.com/business/transport-and-tourism/aer-lingus-may-move-transatlantic-services-from-shannon-to-the-uk-1.4342317

Penfailed

CruelSummer wrote: »

Really...so you’re happy with the way things currently are then? Looking forward to budget 2020?

Not really, no. I don't feel like I'm living in a never ending nightmare though. If you feel this way I've already given my advice.

Jimi H

average_runner wrote: »

I think the virus has mutated into a weaker version which is great news and could be a sign its dying out.

Hopefully. It would be fantastic if a milder strain is circulating but I’m not sure if there’s any scientific evidence yet. There’s so much we don’t know about the virus. Although we have to do everything we can to protect the vulnerable, I don’t think we’ve got the balance right yet but it’s very difficult. We have an economy that is coming under more and more pressure and on the other side we have a health service that struggles in winters without Covid.

MadYaker

CruelSummer wrote: »

I cannot believe Prof Luke O’Neil is on Newstalk standing over and promoting this:
Health Passport Ireland - saying it should be rolled out in nursing homes, schools, healthcare settings, etc.

https://youtu.be/U88ZKJhztiM

Other countries are doing similar. I’m not sure how useful it would be at the moment because testing is too slow. It would allow much freer movement though and we could roll back on restrictions if everyone used it but it’ll never happen. Too many conspiracy theorists.