Relaxation of Restrictions, Part V - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Assetbacked

Charles Babbage wrote: »

No, both are using feelings, one is saying stuff granny I am not old and the other values life above drink.

You have a massive chip on your shoulder about people drinking. So many of your points involve snide remarks about drinking. An easy way to suss out your (lack of) credibility I have to say.

Tax rises will be to the absolute maximum that can be squeezed from us for sure. And then some

road_high

road_high wrote: »

Saw headlines in UK news about tax rises to pay for the Covid costs. Surely we can't be very far behind?

No I don't think we are far behind at all.

The sad thing is, taxes never really decreased from the last recession. USC is still around. The cost of rent has lots of people already living not too far off austerity levels.

If people were so upset about water charges, how will they feel about even higher taxes and spending cuts?

And yet the majority supported lockdown and our response so can't really complain too much.

Assetbacked

Assetbacked wrote: »

You have a massive chip on your shoulder about people drinking. So many of your points involve snide remarks about drinking. An easy way to suss out your (lack of) credibility I have to say.

I generally ignore posters that do this.

It is just such a tired argument to suggest that everyone against the restrictions just wants to have a few pints.

gral6

Is public sector getting their pay rise soon for playing golf?

Charles Babbage

Assetbacked wrote: »

You have a massive chip on your shoulder about people drinking. So many of your points involve snide remarks about drinking. An easy way to suss out your (lack of) credibility I have to say.

If you believe drinking and having pubs open is the important thing then I suppose I would lack credibility to you.



As for tax rises, there are things to be paid for, how do you suppose they should be paid for?

Charles Babbage

Charles Babbage wrote: »

If you believe drinking and having pubs open is the important thing then I suppose I would lack credibility to you.



As for tax rises, there are things to be paid for, how do you suppose they should be paid for?

Not borrowing billions to prolong an unnecessary, never ending lockdown would have been a good start.

Guess how many deaths today... 0 again. Taking the f*cking p*ss now still having so many restrictions in place.

Charles Babbage

Deleted User wrote: »

Not borrowing billions to prolong an unnecessary, never ending lockdown would have been a good start.

There isn't an ever ending lockdown, almost everything is open.

LuckyLloyd

Isn't it amazing that in a thread dedicated to relaxation of restrictions, the afternoon announcement of an immediate cessation of restrictions in Kildare doesn't get a mention?

dalyboy

Deleted User wrote: »

Guess how many deaths today... 0 again. Taking the f*cking p*ss now still having so many restrictions in place.

The biggest kick in the teeth isn’t the still remaining restrictions (as woeful as they are) but what gets mad is the continual downbeat / negative / doom and gloom by nphet, the government and their media minions.

There should be rejoice and top headlines of this. Tomorrow will be 10 days death free.

I reckon this guy was fairly spot on in his predictions
https://www.independent.ie/world-news/coronavirus/nobel-scientist-predicts-virus-will-burn-out-in-next-two-weeks-39194015.html

ShyMets

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Isn't it amazing that in a thread dedicated to relaxation of restrictions, the afternoon announcement of an immediate cessation of restrictions in Kildare doesn't get a mention?

My ex-partner and kids live in Lexlip with the exception of pubs and cafes closed indoors there was shag all restrictions or lockdown

Quantum Erasure

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Isn't it amazing that in a thread dedicated to relaxation of restrictions, the afternoon announcement of an immediate cessation of restrictions in Kildare doesn't get a mention?

Not surprised, thread is full of "doom mongers" ....

funnydoggy

The acting CMO seems pissed off with the questions being asked..

Lundstram

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Isn't it amazing that in a thread dedicated to relaxation of restrictions, the afternoon announcement of an immediate cessation of restrictions in Kildare doesn't get a mention?

Not really. It took 9 whole days of 0 deaths countrywide to lift Kildare out of lockdown in their 4th week.

Massive damage has been done to the local economy here mainly because a few meat plants couldn’t be arsed to control their staff.

If you think that’s cause for celebration then you ain’t seen nothing yet. The budget coming next month will wake up a lot of people to the fact our government have and still are over reacting to this virus.

moonage

facehugger99 wrote: »

They say the price of freedom is enteral vigilance but what's become abundantly clear, is that the greatest threat to our civil liberties and freedoms comes from fellow citizens.

They would gladly trade yours and my democratic rights away on the promise of being made to feel 'safe'. It's chilling how blase they are about it and it's very easy to see how fascism can take root in a society.

yosemitesam1

brisan wrote: »

Covid may be mild to one person and deadly to the next
If only the mildly affected got Covid it would not be an issue ,problem is there are too many at risk groups to keep them all isolated

If its mild or nothing to a large majority then we should be more than able to just get on with things.
Our testing regime has given us data that is not at all representative of the effects across the population so either we ramp testing up multiples over what it is now and rapidly see what it really is or else we will come to a standstill again with lockdown and having only the testing capacity to test those who are suffering the most and once again generate bogus data that keeps the fear cycle going

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

funnydoggy wrote: »

The acting CMO seems pissed off with the questions being asked..

Because he can’t bloody answer them. This scam is over but the powers that be are persisting.

manniot2

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

Not surprised, thread is full of "doom mongers" ....

the government throws you into deep dangerous water and then throws you a life jacket...oh thanks so much.

bodhrandude

Whats this I heard on the radio today being proposed about gig venues allowed to be reopened minus the licenced bars, how is that going to work. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-considering-allowing-alcohol-free-music-events-to-go-ahead-1.4342423

Charles Babbage

ShyMets wrote: »

My ex-partner and kids live in Lexlip with the exception of pubs and cafes closed indoors there was shag all restrictions or lockdown

That isn't sufficiently miserable for this thread. Are you sure it wasn't like this?

Strumms

drunkmonkey wrote: »

1.3 million people die on the roads every year, numbers look big you posted but there not really in the grand scheme of things.

They do, in accidents. More people would die in car accidents if there were not rules preventing you from behaviors of certain types.

should the anti rules of the road crowd just say, when presented with logical evidence regarding road deaths.. “well xxxx people died from covid, not big in the grand scheme of things !, why do we need to invest more in safer roads, traffic lights etc”.

With covid the same principles apply.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

bodhrandude wrote: »

Whats this I heard on the radio today being proposed about gig venues allowed to be reopened minus the licenced bars, how is that going to work. https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/government-considering-allowing-alcohol-free-music-events-to-go-ahead-1.4342423

Who in the hell wants to go to a socially distanced gig anyway? They look awful.

3xh

Charles Babbage wrote: »

There isn't an ever ending lockdown, almost everything is open.

Typical. He doesn’t mean the local flower shop being closed. He’s referring to the limits on weddings sizes, the reduced capacities in cinemas/buses, the no spectators at sports, the 105 mins in a pub/restaurant, the closed pubs, the widespread misleading interpretation on oversees travel/quarantine upon return to Ireland, and on and on and on.

Stop being deliberately difficult and argue the point. Nobody could honestly think everything’s ‘open’ like they absolutely should be at this stage.

hmmm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Isn't it amazing that in a thread dedicated to relaxation of restrictions, the afternoon announcement of an immediate cessation of restrictions in Kildare doesn't get a mention?

The Kildare restrictions worked, and we (the country) dodged a bullet I think. Anyone I know from Kildare took this seriously. The contact tracers did a great job.

It's a model for the rest of the country to see us through to a vaccine.

completedit

I do wonder what capacity in the economy is operating at? Spending has surged over the summer, the theory of pent up demand seems to have been relevant, at least in the case of Ireland.

road_high

hmmm wrote: »

The Kildare restrictions worked, and we (the country) dodged a bullet I think. Anyone I know from Kildare took this seriously. The contact tracers did a great job.

It's a model for the rest of the country to see us through to a vaccine.

The testing and isolation of cases worked. Locking down the rest was a waste of time and money. The later could have been done without pummelling more small businesses

road_high

completedit wrote: »

I do wonder what capacity in the economy is operating at? Spending has surged over the summer, the theory of pent up demand seems to have been relevant, at least in the case of Ireland.

Apparently savings of extra €2 billion left in people’s bank accounts. I’m the same myself tbh, there’s a worry in the back of mind and I’m being cautious with spending. When people are worried about the economy they hold back on spending and it becomes a bit of a vicious circle

Parabellum9

What about Dublin? Keep hearing this ****e spouted about population etc etc but they have numerous days recently where the cases were above 50. That is lockdown territory regardless of how you spin it - or does it show a bias nobody wants to admit?

polesheep

hmmm wrote: »

The Kildare restrictions worked, and we (the country) dodged a bullet I think. Anyone I know from Kildare took this seriously. The contact tracers did a great job.

It's a model for the rest of the country to see us through to a vaccine.

It's hard to take YOU seriously with that comment. You're either deluded, living in a bubble or you made that up.