Telling people to cop on since Covid-19 arrived?

unhappys10

So have you had to do this yet and what were the circumstances?

Was just in my local Tesco and queuing up for the self service check out. This lad joins queue behind me, was literally a couple of inches away, any closer and he was going to have to buy me dinner first.

I took a step forward to leave some distance between us and he takes a step to follow. I just turned around and said do you mind.
He said nothing and took a step back. Fella in his early 30's, old enough and this is going on long enough for him to have more cop on.

Any similar experiences out there and how did people react?

No matter how strongly we might feel about the wearing of masks, mass congregations, and in supporting the Lockdown, I think there is a little voice somewhere in the back of the mind of most people, warning us that we fell into a regime of non-freedom with worrying ease and enthusiasm.

Obviously the Lockdown was necessary. Obviously masks are important to stem the rate of transmission.

But it's been a long time since human society was ordered to wear certain garments or stay under a form of house arrest, and I don't think society has fully come to terms with the consequences of that shift in mentality. A new frontier of acceptable limits on human organisation has been opened. In this case, it's mostly been necessary.

But we need to think about the new normal and what kind of people we might become.

ohnonotgmail

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No matter how strongly we might feel about the wearing of masks, mass congregations, and in supporting the Lockdown, I think there is a little voice somewhere in the back of the mind of most people, warning us that we fell into a regime of non-freedom with worrying ease and enthusiasm.

Obviously the Lockdown was necessary. Obviously masks are important to stem the rate of transmission.

But it's been a long time since human society was ordered to wear certain garments or stay under a form of house arrest, and I don't think society has fully come to terms with the consequences of that shift in mentality. A new frontier of acceptable limits on human organisation has been opened. In this case, it's mostly been necessary.

But we need to think about the new normal and what kind of people we might become.

irrespective of covid, standing inches behind somebody in a queue is just poor and anybody who does it should be to F off immediately.

Dr. Bre

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

irrespective of covid, standing inches behind somebody in a queue is just poor and anybody who does it should be to F off immediately.

Exactly . Should not happen even before covid

ExMachina1000

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

irrespective of covid, standing inches behind somebody in a queue is just poor and anybody who does it should be to F off immediately.

Enough time in this new normal and he would have had points taken away from his social credit score.

ohnonotgmail

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

Enough time in this new normal and he would have had points taken away from his social credit score.

i dont remember moving to china.

Tig98

It's a force of habit.

You know nothing about the lad besides that he stood directly behind you. He could have had 20 different things racing through his head at the time and he was just on autopilot.

I've no problem reminding someone about social distancing - at times I mess up myself too, but don't make it into anything more than it is. You asked him to step back and he did.

unhappys10

Tig98 wrote: »

It's a force of habit.

You know nothing about the lad besides that he stood directly behind you. He could have had 20 different things racing through his head at the time and he was just on autopilot.

I've no problem reminding someone about social distancing - at times I mess up myself too, but don't make it into anything more than it is. You asked him to step back and he did.

I moved a step first and he followed. I'm not making it more than it is, even in normal times he was uncomfortably close. Maybe you like young lads close enough to feel their breath on the back of your neck, but not my thing.

ohnonotgmail

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

irrespective of covid, standing inches behind somebody in a queue is just poor and anybody who does it should be to F off immediately.

immediately told to F-off?

This is exactly what I'm referring to. Covid restrictions seem to have enabled a latent kind of aggression, when it would be just as effective (far more effective) to say to someone "Oh look would you mind stepping back, I'm worried about Covid". People tend to react positively to polite reminders, screaming at someone to F-off is just going to make you look like a nut whom nobody should be talking notice of.

yerwanthere123

It's a mistake I made myself in a queue yesterday, stood too close to the fella in front of me, although I was at least wearing my mask. Sometimes people just make mistakes OP, I don't think he was trying to infect you with Covid-19.

ohnonotgmail

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

immediately told to F-off?

This is exactly what I'm referring to. Covid restrictions seem to have enabled a latent kind of aggression, when it would be just as effective (far more effective) to say to someone "Oh look would you mind stepping back, I'm worried about Covid". People tend to react positively to polite reminders, screaming at someone to F-off is just going to make you look like a nut whom nobody should be talking notice of.

if they are standing that close and they step forward to maintain that same distance if i step forward then i have no issue going straight to F off. they were given an opportunity to maintain a reasonable distance and didnt take it. people need to have more cop on.

unhappys10

yerwanthere123 wrote: »

It's a mistake I made myself in a queue yesterday, stood too close to the fella in front of me, although I was at least wearing my mask. Sometimes people just make mistakes OP, I don't think he was trying to infect you with Covid-19.

Neither do I but a bit of common sense wouldn't go astray. As I said, even before covid, he was literally on top of me. This has been here almost 6 months now, too long to not know the story at this stage.
Whatever about being too close but to follow me when I took a step forward, that's not on and people need to be told so.

s1ippy

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

immediately told to F-off?

This is exactly what I'm referring to. Covid restrictions seem to have enabled a latent kind of aggression, when it would be just as effective (far more effective) to say to someone "Oh look would you mind stepping back, I'm worried about Covid". People tend to react positively to polite reminders, screaming at someone to F-off is just going to make you look like a nut whom nobody should be talking notice of.

If he has covid and is breathing on someone, they have a chance of being infected for as long as they're in close proximity. I think raising your voice and startling them is perfectly fair if it gets them to f off quicker and maybe stops them from doing it to someone else.

It's been going on long enough that there's no excuse, letting it slide might be acceptable in normal times, but the cunt can find somebody else to rub up against and stay the hell away from me. Skin hunger is real. He could genuinely be lonely and want to be close to someone. Ugh.

Might make him think twice and pay attention next time too so it’s worth shouting at him.

Tig98

unhappys10 wrote: »

Neither do I but a bit of common sense wouldn't go astray. As I said, even before covid, he was literally on top of me. This has been here almost 6 months now, too long to not know the story at this stage.
Whatever about being too close but to follow me when I took a step forward, that's not on and people need to be told so.

He didn't follow you home into the sitting room though. From his point of view the queue was just progressing.

Onesea

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

No matter how strongly we might feel about the wearing of masks, mass congregations, and in supporting the Lockdown, I think there is a little voice somewhere in the back of the mind of most people, warning us that we fell into a regime of non-freedom with worrying ease and enthusiasm.

Obviously the Lockdown was necessary. Obviously masks are important to stem the rate of transmission.

But it's been a long time since human society was ordered to wear certain garments or stay under a form of house arrest, and I don't think society has fully come to terms with the consequences of that shift in mentality. A new frontier of acceptable limits on human organisation has been opened. In this case, it's mostly been necessary.

But we need to think about the new normal and what kind of people we might become.

Everyairline in the world will be history in 3months time. People Wil wake up eventually

Galwayguy35

Its the tossers who stand in the middle of the aisle with their shopping trolleys chatting to a neighbour and won't let the rest of us pass who annoy me, kinda hard to keep a 2 meter distance from those idiots.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

Onesea wrote: »

Everyairline in the world will be history in 3months time. People Wil wake up eventually

Don't worry, this will just speed up the development of personal hoverboards, and we'll all be free... free like birds, to soar above the clouds! :pac:

unhappys10

Tig98 wrote: »

He didn't follow you home into the sitting room though. From his point of view the queue was just progressing.

Do you go around doing this also and that's why you are standing up for him?

There was me at the front of the queue and him behind me. The queue wasn't progressing.

I didn't shout and I asked him to move back AFTER he followed me to within a couple of inches again.

Unacceptable baheviour in normal times, I don't give a crap what's going on with someone else or what's on their minds.

I have a baby at home and a wife in a vulnerable group, so asking him to step back was very reasonable.

Seems you need a bit of cop on yourself.

Esse85

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Its the tossers who stand in the middle of the aisle with their shopping trolleys chatting to a neighbour and won't let the rest of us pass who annoy me, kinda hard to keep a 2 meter distance from those idiots.

And the clowns taking phone calls in there with little regards to those around them.

normanoffside

s1ippy wrote: »

If he has covid and is breathing on someone, they have a chance of being infected for as long as they're in close proximity. I think raising your voice and startling them is perfectly fair if it gets them to f off quicker and maybe stops them from doing it to someone else.

By turning around to face him, if he is breathing COVID then he will now be breathing it on to your mouth and nose rather than neck.
Also by raising your voice and shouting at him you are actually putting him at risk.

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

By turning around to face him, if he is breathing COVID then he will now be breathing it on to your mouth and nose rather than neck.
Also by raising your voice and shouting at him you are actually putting him at risk.

What do you suggest then? Throw the elbow without looking around?

Some of you really have lost the run of yourselves altogether. People need to follow distancing guidelines and they need to be called out on it if they don’t.

I Am Nobody

I tend to command distance from folks.Who would want to stand close to the fat hairy biker?But yeah there are still alot of people not adhering to the safety rules.And by now they should know better.So don't be afraid to tell them to back the **** up!

Edgware

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Its the tossers who stand in the middle of the aisle with their shopping trolleys chatting to a neighbour and won't let the rest of us pass who annoy me, kinda hard to keep a 2 meter distance from those idiots.

When you have a chance **** a few extra items in to their trolley. Its very embarassing at the checkout trying to explain why there are a few boxes of condoms in the trolley

Rubberchikken

It never bothered me before the virus and it doesn't do so now.

Some people just have too much energy*sigh*

gogo

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Its the tossers who stand in the middle of the aisle with their shopping trolleys chatting to a neighbour and won't let the rest of us pass who annoy me, kinda hard to keep a 2 meter distance from those idiots.

It’s the families out running around tescos that drive me nuts, when did the grocery shop become a social event, its seemed to get worse since covid, now instead of her or himself out shopping, the whole family have to come and show off their masks or non masked faces in most instances.
No where else to go? Lets all go to tesco, even during the height of lockdown, there were both parents and two kids skipping through tesco’s on my first day venturing over.
I 100% understand that single parents have to bring the
kids, there are some instances where it’s just unavoidable, but there are a lot of families who just don’t get it.

gogo

gogo wrote: »

It’s the families out running around tescos that drive me nuts, when did the grocery shop become a social event, its seemed to get worse since covid, now instead of her or himself out shopping, the whole family have to come and show off their masks or non masked faces in most instances.
No where else to go? Lets all go to tesco, even during the height of lockdown, there were both parents and two kids skipping through tesco’s on my first day venturing over.
I 100% understand that single parents have to bring the
kids, there are some instances where it’s just unavoidable, but there are a lot of families who just don’t get it.

It became a social event when peoples way of life became altered. Days out that would have occurred were no longer so in to the gap went a weekly shopping trip. I'm not saying it's ok but I am offering a possible explanation.

I went to Tesco in the height of lockdown so I could browse in their homeware and clothing section. It wasn't "right" but it helped me cope.

And to the poster who thinks putting boxes of condoms in a shopping trolley is embarrassing, really?? What is embarrassing about buying condos? Weird.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

It became a social event when peoples way of life became altered. Days out that would have occurred were no longer so in to the gap went a weekly shopping trip. I'm not saying it's ok but I am offering a possible explanation.

I went to Tesco in the height of lockdown so I could browse in their homeware and clothing section. It wasn't "right" but it helped me cope.

And to the poster who thinks putting boxes of condoms in a shopping trolley is embarrassing, really?? What is embarrassing about buying condos? Weird.

People need to stop using “mental health” as a catch all excuse to do whatever they feel like, it’s becoming a dangerous habit. This virus is an actual serious real thing.

I Am Nobody

gogo wrote: »

It’s the families out running around tescos that drive me nuts, when did the grocery shop become a social event, its seemed to get worse since covid, now instead of her or himself out shopping, the whole family have to come and show off their masks or non masked faces in most instances.
No where else to go? Lets all go to tesco, even during the height of lockdown, there were both parents and two kids skipping through tesco’s on my first day venturing over.
I 100% understand that single parents have to bring the
kids, there are some instances where it’s just unavoidable, but there are a lot of families who just don’t get it.

I was in Lidl earlier today,and there was a family of 8 and none of them wore masks.And were going on top of the other shoppers.And the Security guy standing there either oblivious or couldn't be arsed.

ReginaldSmythV

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

People need to stop using “mental health” as a catch all excuse to do whatever they feel like, it’s becoming a dangerous habit. This virus is an actual serious real thing.

Yes it is an actual serious real thing. That's a fact. It's a fact which can sit alongside many other facts and even feelings.

Marhay70

Some people will never get it or want to get it. They live in a world where they and nobody else exists or matters.
Guy pulled up beside me in the disabled parking bays in my local Lidl last night, no Blue Badge visible and you just knew he wasn't going to wear a mask or use the hand sanitiser and sure enough........... It would almost make you wish the virus on these people but then you realise that would only make you as bad as them.

Edgware

Edgware wrote: »

When you have a chance **** a few extra items in to their trolley. Its very embarassing at the checkout trying to explain why there are a few boxes of condoms in the trolley

That's only embarrassing if you're 10, and telling someone he has a girlfriend is a sick burn

Church on Tuesday

gogo wrote: »

It’s the families out running around tescos that drive me nuts, when did the grocery shop become a social event, its seemed to get worse since covid, now instead of her or himself out shopping, the whole family have to come and show off their masks or non masked faces in most instances.
No where else to go? Lets all go to tesco, even during the height of lockdown, there were both parents and two kids skipping through tesco’s on my first day venturing over.
I 100% understand that single parents have to bring the
kids, there are some instances where it’s just unavoidable, but there are a lot of families who just don’t get it.

...and it tends to happen when the weather is good out. Surely you are better off bringing your kids to the park rather than Tesco or Lidl?

People on narrow streets not moving out of the way or having a full blown conversation with someone in the middle of said narrow street, it's simple folks, just try move a bit out of the way.

billyhead

A bugbear of mine is the amount of disposable masks just dumped on the street. Pure filth

Glad I found this thread. I can relate to Miltiades with experiencing that 'Latent Aggression": On a Dublin Bus going into city centre, a male senior citizen boarded and sat down. He then opened a tub of yoghurt, and proceeded to dip a spoon in and eat it in prurient fashion. Did you really have to eat it on public transport, where there is only supposed to be a maximum of 17 passengers?? ?

shesty

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

...and it tends to happen when the weather is good out. Surely you are better off bringing your kids to the park rather than Tesco or Lidl?
.

Even before Covid,the number of people whose idea of an afternoon out was to drag the entire family to a shopping centre never failed to bewilder me.I can't think of anything worse than dragging my 3 kids around a packed shopping centre for a Saturday afternoon as a family outing.Hell, as far as I am concerned.Wet days were the worst, throngs of people trying to get into a jammed centre - surely staying in the house would be less headwrecking than that, especially when kids are small.

During Covid I think it became replaced by going on a trip to the local Tesco for some people.

John_Rambo

If anyone's not adhering to social distancing and is crowding you there's one honest and truthful sentence that I use. And it works. Every time.

"Could you back off please? There's a chance I'm infected with Covid-19"

No shouting, no drama, no spoofing, just a quiet, polite few words. Immediate affect. Maximum distancing guaranteed.

s1ippy

Could backfire, as you shouldn't be outside if you know you're infected. If somebody told me* they suspected they were infected, I would call the guards there and then.

*I would also not be close enough to them for it to be relevant.

Atlantic Dawn

s1ippy wrote: »

Could backfire, as you shouldn't be outside if you know you're infected. If somebody told me* they suspected they were infected, I would call the guards there and then.

*I would also not be close enough to them for it to be relevant.

You should suspect everyone is infected, yourself included, safest way to be.

John_Rambo

s1ippy wrote: »

Could backfire, as you shouldn't be outside if you know you're infected..

Good point, this happened to me.

A family of four mouth breathers (all adults when it was advised on person per household should do the shopping) were behind me and not respecting distancing when I said there's a chance I could be infected. After jumping back in shock they started mouthing off about me being infected, but someone else in the queue stood up and said he said

"there's a chance he could be infected, and there's a chance we all could be infected, we need to respect social distancing"

Turns out he was my neighbour. And my doctor!!

FionnK86

I haven't done it myself, but I was in Lidl Artane on Friday. 20ish year old man was going up aisles without mask and a man in about his 70s caught his eye and said 'how long have these restrictions been in place and you're still not wearing a mask, shame on you'. The young lad didn't reply but it was nice to see a bit of confidence from the older man. I didn't have the balls myself to say it.

Wanderer78

unhappys10 wrote: »

So have you had to do this yet and what were the circumstances?

Was just in my local Tesco and queuing up for the self service check out. This lad joins queue behind me, was literally a couple of inches away, any closer and he was going to have to buy me dinner first.

I took a step forward to leave some distance between us and he takes a step to follow. I just turned around and said do you mind.
He said nothing and took a step back. Fella in his early 30's, old enough and this is going on long enough for him to have more cop on.

Any similar experiences out there and how did people react?

just be aware, some people are really struggling to understand these new social rules, its particularly an issue in the autism community

average_runner

Wearing a mask in a shop is only a guideline right now, it will be drafted into law some year.


Shops can and some are saying no mask no entry.



I forgot the mask on Sat and no spares in the car. Went to chemist, no entry without mask, catch22. She said come in, what do you want, I said a mask and both burst out laughing

Galwayguy35

Wanderer78 wrote: »

just be aware, some people are really struggling to understand these new social rules, its particularly an issue in the autism community

Its not hard to understand the rules, stop making up excuses.

s1ippy

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

You should suspect everyone is infected, yourself included, safest way to be.

Agree 100%.

This message hasn't been pushed enough to get it into some people's thick heads. There's always going to be idiots who are like "I'm definitely fine" taking risks and putting everyone else at risk.

Wanderer78

Galwayguy35 wrote:

Its not hard to understand the rules, stop making up excuses.

Maybe learn about complex disorders such as autism!

Galwayguy35

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Maybe learn about complex disorders such as autism!

I'm well aware of what it is, but I'd bet the house 99% of those acting the bollix as regards the rules have nothing wrong with them.

Wanderer78

Galwayguy35 wrote:

I'm well aware of what it is, but I'd bet the house 99% of those acting the bollix as regards the rules have nothing wrong with them.

So you re aware that social rules, particularly new social rules, is one of the most common issues amongst those on the spectrum? Social rules are also an issue with other complex disorders. And you know 99% are acting the bollocks by?

Wanderer78

Wanderer78 wrote: »

So you re aware that social rules, particularly new social rules, is one of the most common issues amongst those on the spectrum? Social rules are also an issue with other complex disorders. And you know 99% are acting the bollocks by?

I’d say it’s fairly accurate. We’ve been as disgrace on the whole throughout all this. Irish people have proven to be incredibly selfish.

Ron_Swanson

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

I'm well aware of what it is, but I'd bet the house 99% of those acting the bollix as regards the rules have nothing wrong with them.

Some adults will have coping mechanisms to enable them to go to the shops but that does not mean they have no processing difficulties.

Snapping/shouting at someone who has a disorder and possible high anxiety is just cruel, they could well be that 1%.

You could show support for those that have disorders and are finding these evolving social situations impossible to navigate.

From teaching my child with autism I would suggest that anyone who finds someone too close to them simply says ‘please step back’, language should be clear and not figurative/idiomatic as this can be confusing. This should help communicate to someone whether they are a ‘bollix’ or have autism hth

murphyebass

Ron_Swanson wrote: »

Some adults will have coping mechanisms to enable them to go to the shops but that does not mean they have no processing difficulties.

Snapping/shouting at someone who has a disorder and possible high anxiety is just cruel, they could well be that 1%.

You could show support for those that have disorders and are finding these evolving social situations impossible to navigate.

From teaching my child with autism I would suggest that anyone who finds someone too close to them simply says ‘please step back’, language should be clear and not figurative/idiomatic as this can be confusing. This should help communicate to someone whether they are a ‘bollix’ or have autism hth

Cmere this isn’t about autism ffs. Amazing how the pc brigade comes out for a post like this one.

Bottom line is people were idiots pre covid and are idiots now during covid.

For example, I know 2 people in work who will stand close enough to snog me. I take a step back and they take a step forward.

They are assholes. Not autistic. They are assholes. Even more so now during this ****e.

If anything this hopefully will teach people to have some level of spacial awareness.