Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

ACitizenErased

Cork County and Cork Harlequins cricket clubs have suspended play after a player presented for COVID testing.

cnocbui

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Orange man bad. Boris man bad. Varadkar (yes I know he's not at the helm anymore) guy good.

Guess which one is the liberal.

Women in power: countries with female leaders suffer six times fewer Covid deaths and will recover sooner from recession

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/can-europe-make-it/women-power-countries-female-leaders-suffer-six-times-fewer-covid-deaths-and-will-recover-sooner-recession/

Neocon politics, destroying the world, one day at a time.

podgeandrodge

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Oh right I didn’t know (my kids all grown up). Might need to stagger their entry to the shop. There was no malice in them just doing what normal kids do getting an item, paying for it, realising they have change, getting something else or standing there counting what money they have left between them and pooling funds

I don't think that the masks in supermarkets will have much impact on figures, given it didn't for the first 3 months not wearing them. More on the side of their having an impact in closed confined spaces for periods of time. I know opinions differ.

is_that_so

Boggles wrote: »

During a once in a generation global? What if NPHET took the same stance?

Maybe you need to do a bit of reflecting on that comment.

Well, it is their job and they would be of little use to us if they didn't.

LiquidZeb

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

Orange man bad. Boris man bad. Varadkar (yes I know he's not at the helm anymore) guy good.

Guess which one is the liberal.

If you really want to launch a character defense for Drumpf and De Pfeffel Spaffer Johnson go right ahead. Says more about you.

Ynneklik

The Swedes argued that full lock down can never end as the only virus to be eliminated by a vaccine was Smallpox. With clusters now reoccurring in Kerry and Sligo and more to come when we go back indoors on Staycations this Winter, are we heading for failure as the National Debt climbs and job losses and budget cuts loom?

LiquidZeb

cnocbui wrote: »

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/can-europe-make-it/women-power-countries-female-leaders-suffer-six-times-fewer-covid-deaths-and-will-recover-sooner-recession/

Neocon politics, destroying the world, one day at a time.

If only Ireland had the stones to actually elect a female taoiseach rather than support the old boys roulette of pale male and stale. We're not as liberal and progressive as we like to think we are.

cnocbui

Ynneklik wrote: »

The Swedes argued that full lock down can never end as the only virus to be eliminated by a vaccine was Smallpox. With clusters now reoccurring in Kerry and Sligo and more to come when we go back indoors on Staycations this Winter, are we heading for failure as the National Debt climbs and job losses and budget cuts loom?

How selfish of you. Don't you know that only really old lives matter?

Eod100

It's a joke of a system anyway but this is daft.

''Just over 4,000 follow up calls were made to check up on 60,000 people arriving in to Dublin Airport in the first two weeks in July, according to figures from the Department of Justice The figures also show 52% of the 4,121 calls made to passengers were answered.''

So only about 3.5% of calls are answered.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0723/1155086-coronavirus/

cnocbui

LiquidZeb wrote: »

If only Ireland had the stones to actually elect a female taoiseach rather than support the old boys roulette of pale male and stale. We're not as liberal and progressive as we like to think we are.

I agree with you except the bit about liberal and progressive, two words I don't really associate with Ireland. Conservative socialist would be closer to the mark.

SimonTemplar

Just looking at the cases for different countries and Australia is a cautionary tale.



For most of May and June it seemed like they had things under control. New daily cases were below 20 for most of that time and now they are back where they started.

Our own graph looks very similar until they started their second wave. Low daily cases is obviously a good thing but that would also cause a false sense of security.

Just shows the importance of adhering to the guidelines about masks, social distancing, etc.

Eod100

Ynneklik wrote: »

The Swedes argued that full lock down can never end as the only virus to be eliminated by a vaccine was Smallpox. With clusters now reoccurring in Kerry and Sligo and more to come when we go back indoors on Staycations this Winter, are we heading for failure as the National Debt climbs and job losses and budget cuts loom?

No because the idea of restrictions weren't to eliminate the virus altogether because unless you close off your country to outsiders like NZ that is very difficult if not impossible to do. It was so that the number of cases wouldn't overwhelm the healthcare system and to buy time until either more effective treatments or vaccine made.

Sweden's economy hasn't remain unscathed either and has far more excess deaths than Scandanavian neighbours. I think those facts are important if you want to have an accurate comparison.

D.Q

D.Q wrote: »

Not an asteroid too. Just gets worse and worse.

Something that is not going to hit the earth makes things worse?

Ynneklik

cnocbui wrote: »

How selfish of you. Don't you know that only really old lives matter?

Please clarify?

schmoo2k

Anyone know what the current test -> result time is currently?

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

Nah just putting there for posterity.
We love ****ting on America and UK when in fact the US has only just passed us!

UK probably never will.
Sometimes it's good to put things in perspective.

US is long past us and accelerating away. UK were never behind us.

cnocbui

Eod100 wrote: »

No because the idea of restrictions weren't to eliminate the virus altogether because unless you close off your country to outsiders like NZ that is very difficult if not impossible to do. It was so that the number of cases wouldn't overwhelm the healthcare system and to buy time until either more effective treatments or vaccine made.

Sweden's economy hasn't remain unscathed either and has far more excess deaths than Scandanavian neighbours. I think those facts are important if you want to have an accurate comparison.

I think Sweden will suffer far fewer small business closures and bankruptcies than most lockdowners, even if the gross GDP figures don't look much better.

ginoginelli

Eod100 wrote: »

It's a joke of a system anyway but this is daft.

''Just over 4,000 follow up calls were made to check up on 60,000 people arriving in to Dublin Airport in the first two weeks in July, according to figures from the Department of Justice The figures also show 52% of the 4,121 calls made to passengers were answered.''

So only about 3.5% of calls are answered.

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0723/1155086-coronavirus/

It's a disaster. The new government have tried to sweep the issue under the rug at every opportunity, after being highlighted in the media last week they did some hemming and hawing, but ultimately did nothing.

The lack of leadership on this is shocking.

Ynneklik

Eod100 wrote: »

No because the idea of restrictions weren't to eliminate the virus altogether because unless you close off your country to outsiders like NZ that is very difficult if not impossible to do. It was so that the number of cases wouldn't overwhelm the healthcare system and to buy time until either more effective treatments or vaccine made.

Sweden's economy hasn't remain unscathed either and has far more excess deaths than Scandanavian neighbours. I think those facts are important if you want to have an accurate comparison.

But have we transitioned from keeping below the ICU bed count to near zero cases? Smallpox teaches us that it won't be eliminated for decades if ever. Sweden is much higher than us but if they don't have a second wave and we are subject to local and national lock downs into next year, the budgetary cutbacks will have to result in health cutbacks / increased waiting lists / deaths. There has been no discussion about where the current policy will end up. Please read Sean Barretts article in today's Irish Independent.

cnocbui

Ynneklik wrote: »

Please clarify?

I was being sarcastic in reference to the prevailing humanist tone of this thread, not towards you. Sorry, I probably shouldn't have done so with a new sign up.

Eod100

cnocbui wrote: »

How selfish of you. Don't you know that only really old lives matter?

The doctor who died yesterday was 59. Not very old by any means. I think people don't realise how worse it would be without restrictions and many more people would have been inevitably sick and died including healthcare workers.

caveat emptor

Deleted User wrote: »

US is long past us and accelerating away. UK were never behind us.

Well If you read the chart......

US Seven-day rolling average of new cases (per million) only surpased our peak of 186 on July 14th. Which was 9 days ago.

I agree they are accelerating away. That's what happens when you believe your own bull****.

Gotta love data.

cnocbui

Deleted User wrote: »

Something that is not going to hit the earth makes things worse?

Comets are historically thought to be harbingers of death and destruction.

Comets in Ancient Cultures: The Harbinger of Doom or Messengers of the Gods?
...
Comets have inspired dread, fear, and awe in many different cultures and societies around the world and throughout time.
They have been branded with such titles as “the Harbinger of Doom” and “the Menace of the Universe.”

pjohnson

cnocbui wrote: »

I think Sweden will suffer far fewer small business closures and bankruptcies than most lockdowners, even if the gross GDP figures don't look much better.

Ah so cnocbui knows better than GDP now. Amazing.


What methodology did you use?

ACitizenErased

schmoo2k wrote: »

Anyone know what the current test -> result time is currently?

Avg is 1.1 days

Onesea

The men who tested positive on the building site never knew they were ill. They would have continued on working no bother on them. So it's a serious illness which doesn't effect you, and there is a good chance you never knew you had or have it.Clown world.
The hospitals should be at full steam ahead keeping the country running.

cnocbui

Eod100 wrote: »

The doctor who died yesterday was 59. Not very old by any means. I think people don't realise how worse it would be without restrictions and many more people would have been inevitably sick and died including healthcare workers.

Medical workers morbidity profiles have been terrible, and hugely at odds with that of the general population, due probably to the massive viral load they are sometimes exposed to. This was particularly evident from Wuhan China and Italy, where far too many many young medical workers unfortunately died, whereas the average age of their patients was over 70.

Martina1991

schmoo2k wrote: »

Anyone know what the current test -> result time is currently?

Median turnaround time over the last 7 days is 28 hours for tests from the community, 13 hours in hospital.

https://www.hse.ie/eng/services/news/newsfeatures/covid19-updates/integrated-information-service-testing-and-contact-tracing-dashboard-21-july-2020.pdf

caveat emptor

caveat emptor wrote: »

Well If you read the chart......

US Seven-day rolling average of new cases (per million) only surpased our peak of 186 on July 14th. Which was 9 days ago.

I agree they are accelerating away. That's what happens when you believe your own bull****.

Gotta love data.

Our peak was artificially high due to the German backlog. The peak is also not relevant to the overall picture, not least because early in this the US and UK were under testing.

Onesea

Onesea wrote: »

The men who tested positive on the building site never knew they were ill. They would have continued on working no bother on them. So it's a serious illness which doesn't effect you, and there is a good chance you never knew you had or have it.Clown world.
The hospitals should be at full steam ahead keeping the country running.

Who might they have passed it to if they did not know they had it?