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paw patrol · 22-10-2020 11:23am

Potential-Monke wrote: »

For the people against OF, would you visit a nude beach and partake?

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it's not the same thing and it's weird that you would consider them to be the same. As i said previously I'd never ban it or stop somebody doing it. But it cheapens the person imo to sell themselves for a few quid. Call me old fashioned(no problem) but I think that certain things should be reserved for your partner only. It is basically taking what is intimate and making it public,

You don't agree , no problem again but don't expect me to think much of your life choices or be interested in you (if you were a girl)

seamus · 22-10-2020 11:25am

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Checked out the site. You've to subscribe to each individual person at x cost. Feck that! Can't even search (on mobile), what's the point?! Back to Google Images with me!

That's my thoughts on it, I can't fathom why someone would, but each to their own.

There's a certain level of jealousy in the hate for it. One Irish girl being interviewed by Dermot & Dave was pulling in €20k a month, and she got quite a bit of flack.

Really I think the issue for these people is that someone is pulling in more money than they can dream of and they're intensely envious. The fact that she's a woman just makes it worse.

If we're being honest; If someone told me that my wife and I could make a quarter of a million a year by just shagging on camera five hours a week for a private audience, we'd have the camera set up before you could even finish the sentence.

22-10-2020 11:28am

seamus wrote: »

If we're being honest; If someone told me that my wife and I could make a quarter of a million a year by just shagging on camera five hours a week for a private audience, we'd have the camera set up before you could even finish the sentence.

Ditto.

22-10-2020 11:31am

seamus wrote: »

If we're being honest; If someone told me that my wife and I could make a quarter of a million a year by just shagging on camera five hours a week for a private audience, we'd have the camera set up before you could even finish the sentence.

Maybe it's a direction you could encourage your daughters to take..

Church on Tuesday · 22-10-2020 11:39am

seamus wrote: »

That's my thoughts on it, I can't fathom why someone would, but each to their own.

There's a certain level of jealousy in the hate for it. One Irish girl being interviewed by Dermot & Dave was pulling in €20k a month, and she got quite a bit of flack.

Really I think the issue for these people is that someone is pulling in more money than they can dream of and they're intensely envious. The fact that she's a woman just makes it worse.

If we're being honest; If someone told me that my wife and I could make a quarter of a million a year by just shagging on camera five hours a week for a private audience, we'd have the camera set up before you could even finish the sentence.

It's mostly for people who can't or won't pursue relations in real life or who are in dead bedrooms.

There's a certain sense of connection for the consumer as opposed to just passively watching porn.

Not for me, but to each their own.

22-10-2020 11:41am

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe it's a direction you could encourage your daughters to take..

I would much rather my daughter have an OnlyFans account than to be a Fianna Fail or Fine Gael voter.

22-10-2020 11:42am

Deleted User wrote: »

I would much rather my daughter have an OnlyFans account than to be a Fianna Fail or Fine Gael voter.

Edgy..

stefanovich · 22-10-2020 11:49am

Deleted User wrote: »

I would much rather my daughter have an OnlyFans account than to be a Fianna Fail or Fine Gael voter.

Weimar republic here we go.

22-10-2020 11:58am

stefanovich wrote: »

Weimar republic here we go.

Haha..There are definitely echoes of that era the last while..

seamus · 22-10-2020 12:26pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe it's a direction you could encourage your daughters to take..

I won't push my kids in any particular direction except to do what makes them happy.

22-10-2020 12:34pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe it's a direction you could encourage your daughters to take..

As I have said on this exact topic before - I do not see my own role as a parent to be encouraging my sons or daughters towards - or away from - any specific career at all. So I am not sure I see the utility in suggesting anyone encourage their daughters into this particular career option.

Rather - I see my role as a parent as being to educate my sons and daughters and to provide them the mental and physical and social and personal tools for them to ultimately make their own decisions.

And whatever choice they make - be it a career in science or in law or in medicine or in politics or in the army or in education or in sex work or anything else - if they make the choice of their own volitions using the tools I gave them - then I will be proud of them, I will be proud of their choice, and I will consider myself a success as a father.

22-10-2020 12:44pm

I suppose ye kind of have to take that position, but ye know as well as I do that it's pretty f*cked..

22-10-2020 12:45pm

I "know" nor believe any such thing no. Maybe it is better to ask me what I think than tell me what I think? At the very least it will stop you being blatantly wrong as often? But it will also likely have you talking _with_ people rather than _at_ people too.

Limpy · 22-10-2020 12:49pm

My only gripe is if ye like doing it why should I have to pay.

sbsquarepants · 22-10-2020 1:33pm

Limpy wrote: »

My only gripe is if ye like doing it why should I have to pay.

Singers probably enjoy singing, they'll still charge you to do it though. It's not like you get money off your mortgage for liking dildos!

HotDudeLife · 22-10-2020 1:39pm

seamus wrote: »

That's my thoughts on it, I can't fathom why someone would, but each to their own.

There's a certain level of jealousy in the hate for it. One Irish girl being interviewed by Dermot & Dave was pulling in €20k a month, and she got quite a bit of flack.

Really I think the issue for these people is that someone is pulling in more money than they can dream of and they're intensely envious. The fact that she's a woman just makes it worse.

If we're being honest; If someone told me that my wife and I could make a quarter of a million a year by just shagging on camera five hours a week for a private audience, we'd have the camera set up before you could even finish the sentence.

She got flack for essentially being a brazzer and rightfully so

HotDudeLife · 22-10-2020 1:41pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

For the people against OF, would you visit a nude beach and partake?

People need to get with the times. Being nude and perform self sexual gratification is no longer banned to bedroom activities between a couple only. A lot of people would have no issue with showing off their 'intimate' bits. And it's a great time for those who get paid to do it. It's most likely stuff they do anyway in their own private time, why not get paid for it?

I've been looking at all types of porn since the 90's, waiting 20 minutes for a picture to load on dial up (only to be cut off just above the nipple because someone rang and have to start again!). I'm pretty sure I've seen the vast majority of porn easily available. I enjoy looking at pictures, especially nude selfies (I much prefer 'real' to scripted). In the thousands, if not into the millions, of pictures and videos I've seen, I've yet to recognize anyone I know. And even if I did, it would be a great conversation to have with them (I don't know why, but women tell me intimate stuff but won't engage in intimate stuff with me...). I've had women tell me things they probably haven't told their significant others, because I'm honest about it and it's just something else to talk about.

We're slowly getting out of the old fashioned way of hide everything and only show it to your husband kind of way. And that's a good thing. We should be talking about sex, intimacy, how to do certain acts, etc. It benefits both sexes (and their variations if you're into that). If we were more open about talking about it, it would probably lead to better and safer sex for all involved. But some still have this catholic view on sex.

Anyway, how much is it? I might sign up for a month just to see what it's about. I had a sub to Suicide Girls before (it's not literal, it's the name given to the site that shows tattooed women who get nekkid). I only had it for the month, and I can see why some people would continue to pay it. Quality, choice, etc. Everyone has their own favourites and kinks, and there are sites for all of it.

I'll be honest, if I thought people would pay to watch a slightly overweight bearded ginger lad from Ireland whack one off on camera, I'd do it. If anyone saw it and said it to me, I'd offer a private show if they wanted to pay. And so what if they do. Granted, my parents and older relatives would probably be disgusted, but they're old fashioned Ireland. My siblings would question me about it, but if it was earning money they wouldn't be long shutting up, and then progress onto taking the mickey (pun intended).

Would it matter if my sister did it? Nah. She's her own woman and I'm not one to judge. I don't have any daughters, so I can't comment on if that would upset me. Probably not if she was honest about it, I'd probably be more upset that she thinks she would have to hide it from me, but I'll never know.

Pathetic, the future is ****ed if the majority of "men" think like you

spaceHopper · 22-10-2020 1:52pm

Read up on Mia Khalifa, she was a porn star for a very short time but it has followed her since and she's even said it will cause issues if she ever has kids. Her interviews on the Philo De Franko youtube channel are good.

When you are in a club, you can say no photos... but if you do only fans there is nothing to stop somebody downloading videos and posting them on the wider internet. My rule of thumb would never put anything on the internet that you wouldn't want posted on a billboards outside your granny's house.

Limpy · 22-10-2020 1:55pm

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Singers probably enjoy singing, they'll still charge you to do it though. It's not like you get money off your mortgage for liking dildos!

I wouldn't pay any women to sing into the mic.

Feisar · 22-10-2020 1:55pm

Does anyone remember the woman down in Waterford/Wexford about ten years ago that posted vids/pics of herself online, Ashling was her name I think? From memory she ended up having to move away I think due to the hassle she got. Things seem to have moved since then in society and I suppose as it becomes more widespread there will be less of a hoo haa over it. Still though it cannot help ones long term prospects to be dildoing oneself online.

Then there's the problem of having to keep pushing the envelope in terms of the content. An Irish woman will attract a certain level of attention due to their not being to many Irish on it. The novelty of being subscribed to someone from the next county over will draw a certain following. But then subscribers start dropping and the person will have to start doing more and more stuff to keep the money coming in.
Brushed on above there is a certain novelty attached to having a connection of sorts with the person in the vids. I know from getting illicit pics from ladies I found them way more erotic than any porn I have watched. So to automatically call someone sad for being subscribed to an onlyfans account is a bit unfair. I presume one can send messages etc so it's probably part of the allure.

As for selling oneself, sure we do it all the time. I have a stressful enough job, work long hours and travel a lot so what's the difference?

Having said that I wouldn't want anyone belonging to me at it however everyone needs to follow their own path. I do agree with others here, a lot of naive people at it. Also the majority of sex workers come from shítty/broken families/homes, I do wonder if it is the same with the onlyfans crowd. Ever hear a pornstar being interviewed? A lot of them sound barely functional.

Limpy · 22-10-2020 2:12pm

Feisar wrote: »

Does anyone remember the woman down in Waterford/Wexford about ten years ago that posted vids/pics of herself online, Ashling was her name I think? From memory she ended up having to move away I think due to the hassle she got. Things seem to have moved since then in society and I suppose as it becomes more widespread there will be less of a hoo haa over it. Still though it cannot help ones long term prospects to be dildoing oneself online.

Then there's the problem of having to keep pushing the envelope in terms of the content. An Irish woman will attract a certain level of attention due to their not being to many Irish on it. The novelty of being subscribed to someone from the next county over will draw a certain following. But then subscribers start dropping and the person will have to start doing more and more stuff to keep the money coming in.
Brushed on above there is a certain novelty attached to having a connection of sorts with the person in the vids. I know from getting illicit pics from ladies I found them way more erotic than any porn I have watched. So to automatically call someone sad for being subscribed to an onlyfans account is a bit unfair. I presume one can send messages etc so it's probably part of the allure.

As for selling oneself, sure we do it all the time. I have a stressful enough job, work long hours and travel a lot so what's the difference?

Having said that I wouldn't want anyone belonging to me at it however everyone needs to follow their own path. I do agree with others here, a lot of naive people at it. Also the majority of sex workers come from shítty/broken families/homes, I do wonder if it is the same with the onlyfans crowd. Ever hear a pornstar being interviewed? A lot of them sound barely functional.

I think everyone's idea of the sex industry is a dirty one, pardon the pun. Its been going on for decades. The overriding factor is its women doing things to arouse men for money. Or men dominating women, again to sell and make cash.

The question is a moral one, do you want your wife, daughter, sister to make money with a vibrator while men watch and **** into a sock, or do you want them to work in another industry.

I am not old fashioned and I would prefer them to work in another industry. My wife agrees.

BorneTobyWilde · 22-10-2020 2:17pm

They were talking about it on the jennifer zamparelli show on 2FM earlier. Jennifer was egging Lottie Ryan to set up an account, Jennifer seemed to be all for it, cheering her on. She also had a guest on who does it, she makes 20k a month average. Said all her stuff is explicit hardcore. Jennifer again cheering her on, it's all bit weird. 17 years old, child, so wrong, so criminal, clock strikes midnight boom 18 Happy Birthday, same person, same day gets an only fans and is cheered on by Jennifer.
Who decided in history that the magical number 18 dictates so much?

I think they should up the age to 25 for sites like OF.

22-10-2020 2:18pm

Feisar wrote: »

Ever hear a pornstar being interviewed? A lot of them sound barely functional.

You can say the same about "a lot of" footballers musicians bouncers soldiers and much more too.

I guess the first question to ask is how and why did they select the person they did. For example if I was contriving to do an anti-porn documentary I am likely to select the stars who will represent the industry poorly.

RTE did a documentary on Sex Work and they picked one pro sex worker and one anti ex-sex worker. The sex worker they picked for the pro star was energetic and engaging and articulate and intelligent and charismatic and very likable. The anti woman they picked was inarticulate and dour and boring and unlikable and had a very obvious man hating agenda.

I doubt their selection was random either. If I was anti sex work I would be really pissed at RTE for deliberately picking someone so awful to represent that side.

Many sex workers and porn stars however are intelligent and articulate. Sasha Grey springs to mind as a retired porn star who now has a stream on "twitch". Paige Jennings who moved from porn to You Tube and did/does quite well there. I do not know either of them for porn - but what they did after it.

So I would say sex work and porn are like many industries and services. Some people there are educated and articulate and others are uneducated and-or idiots.

22-10-2020 2:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

RTE did a documentary on Sex Work and they picked one pro sex worker and one anti ex-sex worker. The sex worker they picked for the pro star was energetic and engaging and articulate and intelligent and charismatic and very likable.
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Did you see her being interviewed by Tommy Tiernan though?..Her shtick rang hollow..

Feisar · 22-10-2020 2:25pm

Limpy wrote: »

I think everyone's idea of the sex industry is a dirty one, pardon the pun. Its been going on for decades. The overriding factor is its women doing things to arouse men for money. Or men dominating women, again to sell and make cash.

The question is a moral one, do you want your wife, daughter, sister to make money with a vibrator while men watch and **** into a sock, or do you want them to work in another industry.

I am not old fashioned and I would prefer them to work in another industry. My wife agrees.

Wife or daughter no. While my sis, I'd be concerned but not my choice/decision.

22-10-2020 2:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Did you see her being interviewed by Tommy Tiernan though?..Her shtick rang hollow..

That would be my point exactly. When you are making a documentry you do editing and other things to make _your_ point look good. So just like the makers of the RTE doc made the "pro" woman seem better than she was and probably made the "anti" woman worse (not sure as things I read about her later such as banning men entirely from a rally supporting women seemed to confirm everything) - when the user above mentioned how awful some interviews were I have to wonder how many of those interviews were made to look bad too.

Tommy Tiernans show - which I have not seen much of since I do not have a television - struck me as being a bit "rawer" and less pre-prepared. As in WYSIWYG. So it seems that format would make it harder to deliberately make someone seem better or worse than they actually are.

But no I did not see it so I can not agree or disagree with your vague statement about the content.

Pigsaw · 22-10-2020 2:39pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And whatever choice they make - be it a career in science or in law or in medicine or in politics or in the army or in education or in sex work or anything else - if they make the choice of their own volitions using the tools I gave them - then I will be proud of them, I will be proud of their choice, and I will consider myself a success as a father.

If your child ends up as prostitute then you've failed massively as a parent.

Pigsaw · 22-10-2020 2:42pm

spook_cook wrote: »

You do have to laugh at the amount of people on-board with this because of fear of being seen as "old fashioned" Imagine the horror!

I'll be controversial then. I wouldn't let my wife or be happy with my hypothetical daughters prostituting themselves. If you are, well that's on you.

Not wanting your daughter to prostitute herself doesn't make you controversial, it makes you a normal man.

22-10-2020 2:44pm

Pigsaw wrote: »

If your child ends up as prostitute then you've failed massively as a parent.

You might feel that way but I do not. And your standards that you hold yourself to when evaluating yourself as a parent are not standards I have to live by or even care about to be honest.

Once again I do not see my role as a parent to be to get my child into - or keep my child out of - any industry or service when he or she is an adult. As an adult that will be - and should absolutely be - their choice.

I see my role as a parent to be to equip them with every tool possible to make those choices _for themselves_ when they are of age. And if they make their choices or their own volition using those tools then I will judge by success as a parent by that - and not by whether I ultimately like or personally approve of the choice they make.

I would be a wreck if _other_ peoples judgements of parenting concerned me at all to be honest. I get judged for all sorts of things negatively. That I have been teaching my kids to fight martial arts since they were 2. That my daughter who is now 10 has been learning to fire guns/rifles for years. That we raise them with an unusual configuration of parents. Hell some people judge me negatively because my kids never did the Santa thing and we do not own a television!

I have as little time for their standards of parenting as they have for mine. And I am good with that.

Pigsaw · 22-10-2020 2:47pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

You might feel that way but I do not. And your standards that you hold yourself to when evaluating yourself as a parent are not standards I have to live by or even care about to be honest.

Once again I do not see my role as a parent to be to get my child into - or keep my child out of - any industry or service when he or she is an adult. As an adult that will be - and should absolutely be - their choice.

I see my role as a parent to be to equip them with every tool possible to make those choices _for themselves_ when they are of age. And if they make their choices or their own volition using those tools then I will judge by success as a parent by that - and not by whether I ultimately like or personally approve of the choice they make.

Part of your job as father is to protect your child and keep them from making poor decisions in life.

Get real man, if your child ends up selling their body then you failed.

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