The decline of Irish journalism

Irishphotodesk · 22-09-2020 12:05pm

smurgen wrote: »

Another stupid article from the Indo. I really am not sure what the point of this stuff is?

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/1308279872251408384?s=19

From reading it the article implies that he has a home in Dublin but is choosing to live in Leitrim and commute, despite Dublin being on lockdown.

To be fair it would have made sense to live in the Dublin home assuming it's available but he may also have work in Leitrim - article isn't clean on if he has work in Leitrim or not.

Kivaro · 23-09-2020 11:50am

The amount of backscratching between our national broadcaster RTE and the Irish times is appalling. They should just become the one unit at this stage. And for any story that the Irish Times want to drip feed to the Irish public, they just use the Irish examiner, who they own.

During these trying times, I do not trust any of those organisations for impartial news in Ireland.

CrankyHaus · 23-09-2020 12:04pm

Kivaro wrote: »

The amount of backscratching between our national broadcaster RTE and the Irish times is appalling. They should just become the one unit at this stage. And for any story that the Irish Times want to drip feed to the Irish public, they just use the Irish examiner, who they own.

During these trying times, I do not trust any of those organisations for impartial news in Ireland.

Will they've been lobbying to be bankrolled by the proposed Household Broadcast Charge for years now, so the long term plan is to be like RTE in that you'll be legally obligated to pay for it. The only difference will be even less accountability.

Richard Hillman · 23-09-2020 12:51pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Main stream media were busy this weekend, multiple far right articles. Never saw National Party or Irish Freedom mentioned so much!

Then they had the sudden need to report on anti mask arrests and protests in London and even Melbourne. Its been going on for weeks in Melbourne and not a mention.

The nutters must really have upset the Government last weekend and ordered there pals to try stop it happening again.

They committed the crime of protesting against the media. They have been outside the Journal and RTE HQ. Whenever anybody has a go at the media they group up and unleash their full fury. It's an unwritten rule amongst them.

You'll often see it in Sports. If a football manager has a go at the media in a press conference or interview, it will be covered along the lines of "Extraordinary Outburst", "Rant" and usually follows with "Storms out of press conference". They'll try and portray the manager as "Under Pressure" or "under fire".

It's a well established tactic but is losing its impact.

Tell me how · 23-09-2020 2:56pm

Richard Hillman wrote: »

They committed the crime of protesting against the media. They have been outside the Journal and RTE HQ. Whenever anybody has a go at the media they group up and unleash their full fury. It's an unwritten rule amongst them.

You'll often see it in Sports. If a football manager has a go at the media in a press conference or interview, it will be covered along the lines of "Extraordinary Outburst", "Rant" and usually follows with "Storms out of press conference". They'll try and portray the manager as "Under Pressure" or "under fire".

It's a well established tactic but is losing its impact.

Your second paragraph bears no relation to the first so I'm not so sure any sort of relevant 'well established tactic' has been demonstrated.

A lack of interpretation has been, but, it's not the same thing.

New Era · 29-09-2020 2:50pm

A bad day for brand FG yesterday. Michael D'arcy pulling off a stroke, in his appointment re Irish investment managers and quitting his seanad seat as a result. Then bankers best friends, Leo and Paschal along with Mickey McGrath failing to get more mortgage payment breaks for hardpressed Irish families from horrible Irish banks.

You would think that would be the big news of the day, in the print media this morning in particular the Indo. But instead, their front page this morning is more scarmongering nonsense re covid and other gobbledegook.

If this was SF in govt, I can guarantee you that RTE and the far right media including the indo, newstalk and its ilk, will be all over this story.

To me this is further proof that the wealthy elite continue to hold excessive power in the Irish media. To me this is a considerable danger to democracy. Press freedom is a cornerstone to ensure a functioning democratic run country. It seems that the political establishment here are hell bent on going down a dangerous route, not too dissimilar to what we have witnessed in Poland and Hungary, where press freedom has been undermined by state muzzling with independent media outlets.

I never been as more concerned about the future of journalism in this country as I'm today. With our outdated libel laws not changing anytime soon, along with the forces of powerful wealthy business people, with their vested narrow minded interests trying to interfere, influence and undermine the work of Irish journalists, there is quite a lot to be fearful. Not a good time to work in the Irish journalism industry for sure.

29-09-2020 3:24pm

New Era wrote: »

A bad day for brand FG yesterday. Michael D'arcy pulling off a stroke, in his appointment re Irish investment managers and quitting his seanad seat as a result. Then bankers best friends, Leo and Paschal along with Mickey McGrath failing to get more mortgage payment breaks for hardpressed Irish families from horrible Irish banks.

You would think that would be the big news of the day, in the print media this morning in particular the Indo. But instead, their front page this morning is more scarmongering nonsense re covid and other gobbledegook.

If this was SF in govt, I can guarantee you that RTE and the far right media including the indo, newstalk and its ilk, will be all over this story.

To me this is further proof that the wealthy elite continue to hold excessive power in the Irish media. To me this is a considerable danger to democracy. Press freedom is a cornerstone to ensure a functioning democratic run country. It seems that the political establishment here are hell bent on going down a dangerous route, not too dissimilar to what we have witnessed in Poland and Hungary, where press freedom has been undermined by state muzzling with independent media outlets.

I never been as more concerned about the future of journalism in this country as I'm today. With our outdated libel laws not changing anytime soon, along with the forces of powerful wealthy business people, with their vested narrow minded interests trying to interfere, influence and undermine the work of Irish journalists, there is quite a lot to be fearful. Not a good time to work in the Irish journalism industry for sure.

RTE gave Eamon Ryan a decent going over on that this morning tbh.

blanch152 · 29-09-2020 4:20pm

New Era wrote: »

A bad day for brand FG yesterday. Michael D'arcy pulling off a stroke, in his appointment re Irish investment managers and quitting his seanad seat as a result. Then bankers best friends, Leo and Paschal along with Mickey McGrath failing to get more mortgage payment breaks for hardpressed Irish families from horrible Irish banks.

You would think that would be the big news of the day, in the print media this morning in particular the Indo. But instead, their front page this morning is more scarmongering nonsense re covid and other gobbledegook.

If this was SF in govt, I can guarantee you that RTE and the far right media including the indo, newstalk and its ilk, will be all over this story.

To me this is further proof that the wealthy elite continue to hold excessive power in the Irish media. To me this is a considerable danger to democracy. Press freedom is a cornerstone to ensure a functioning democratic run country. It seems that the political establishment here are hell bent on going down a dangerous route, not too dissimilar to what we have witnessed in Poland and Hungary, where press freedom has been undermined by state muzzling with independent media outlets.

I never been as more concerned about the future of journalism in this country as I'm today. With our outdated libel laws not changing anytime soon, along with the forces of powerful wealthy business people, with their vested narrow minded interests trying to interfere, influence and undermine the work of Irish journalists, there is quite a lot to be fearful. Not a good time to work in the Irish journalism industry for sure.

Yeah, people dying of Covid-19 is less important that some Shinner having a dig at Michael D'arcy getting a job.

New Era · 29-09-2020 4:48pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Yeah, people dying of Covid-19 is less important that some Shinner having a dig at Michael D'arcy getting a job.

Are you an Indo subscriber or are you a regular Indo reader? If so did you read the Indo today and in recent years?

Are you satisfied with what you read in this provocative newspaper.

Do you think that they hold to account, senior FG politicians, bankers, landlords, DOB, LG, M Lowry and it’s ilk, vulture funds, the policies of FG that have caused rising homelessness, I could go on.

If the answer is yes than you must feel that the Indo is “value for money”.

This poster will never underestimate Covid and I know it’s a very serious virus. But I fundamentally disagree with your opinions and putting words into my mouth that think that I care more about m darcy than people dying from Covid.

The hysteria and the scaremongering that the Indo are portraying on Covid is just proper bull and are only using this type of language to sell newspapers.

I think that the issues regarding mortgage breaks and the stroke that M D’arcy pulled off, celebrated by Leo which is quite frankly is distasteful, are of a major public interest. But once again the Indo don’t believe it to be a big story because of fear of consequences from their FG friends.

I think there is a major crisis in Irish journalism. But if you feel differently then that’s fine, it’s a discussion forum at the end of the day. We agree to disagree.

blanch152 · 29-09-2020 5:03pm

New Era wrote: »

Are you an Indo subscriber or are you a regular Indo reader? If so did you read the Indo today and in recent years?

Are you satisfied with what you read in this provocative newspaper.

Do you think that they hold to account, senior FG politicians, bankers, landlords, DOB, LG, M Lowry and it’s ilk, vulture funds, the policies of FG that have caused rising homelessness, I could go on.

If the answer is yes than you must feel that the Indo is “value for money”.

This poster will never underestimate Covid and I know it’s a very serious virus. But I fundamentally disagree with your opinions and putting words into my mouth that think that I care more about m darcy than people dying from Covid.

The hysteria and the scaremongering that the Indo are portraying on Covid is just proper bull and are only using this type of language to sell newspapers.

I think that the issues regarding mortgage breaks and the stroke that M D’arcy pulled off, celebrated by Leo which is quite frankly is distasteful, are of a major public interest. But once again the Indo don’t believe it to be a big story because of fear of consequences from their FG friends.

I think there is a major crisis in Irish journalism. But if you feel differently then that’s fine, it’s a discussion forum at the end of the day. We agree to disagree.

D'arcy got a job for an organsiation that hasn't carried out any lobbying for three years, any rational and reflective analysis would take that into account. Hysterical tweets from Pearse Doherty on the subject do not require serious journalistic responses.

What I would expect from journalists is that they do some digging to see whether the statements from IAIM and the returns to the Lobbying Register are true. Then there would be a story, but if the Indo or any other paper was just to report on the latest sensationalist outburst from a SF TD on Twitter, they would make the Sun look like a paper of record.

Yurt2 · 29-09-2020 5:17pm

blanch152 wrote: »

D'arcy got a job for an organsiation that hasn't carried out any lobbying for three years, any rational and reflective analysis would take that into account. Hysterical tweets from Pearse Doherty on the subject do not require serious journalistic responses.

What I would expect from journalists is that they do some digging to see whether the statements from IAIM and the returns to the Lobbying Register are true. Then there would be a story, but if the Indo or any other paper was just to report on the latest sensationalist outburst from a SF TD on Twitter, they would make the Sun look like a paper of record.

Who needs to lobby when you're last registered lobbying event was with the minister, you wrote a little note, and slid it across the table indicating to the minister he's in the frame for a six figure cushy job at the end of his ministerial tenure, just don't do anything crazy like do anything against the industry's interests.

I'm not saying that happened, but crazier things have happened in Irish politics. Politicians sliding into lobbyist roles as soon as the can, SIPO rules be damned stinks to high heavens in any case.

Brian Hayes sitting across from the table with former colleagues on banking matters. I'm sure the tables get thumped in anger as they fight in the public interest.

JohnnyFlash · 29-09-2020 5:18pm

There’s a deliberate and extremely sinister attempt being made to undermine the legitimacy of the judiciary, our media, and our defence forces. It should be resisted at all costs.

Yurt2 · 29-09-2020 5:28pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

There’s a deliberate and extremely sinister attempt being made to undermine the legitimacy of the judiciary, our media, and our defence forces. It should be resisted at all costs.

Ming's tweet got you curious about the benefits of smoking a spliff JohnnySpice? Take it easy the first time you do it. If you're feeling faint, go lie down in a dark room.

DrSerious3 · 29-09-2020 10:07pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

There’s a deliberate and extremely sinister attempt being made to undermine the legitimacy of the judiciary, our media, and our defence forces. It should be resisted at all costs.

Whatever about the other institutions, the media is undermining itself constantly, it doesn't need help from anyone else.

Pussyhands · 04-02-2022 10:18pm

I couldn't believe when I saw this. Aoife Moore, one of the most circeljerked journos of the past 2 years, is out socialising in pubs with politicians.

Do they not realise the massive conflict of interest?

How can we trust any of these "journalists"? How many other journos are buddies with the politicians they're supposed to be holding account?

Sorry never posted the tweet.

https://twitter.com/aoifegracemoore/status/1489606920621244422

hawley · 04-02-2022 10:25pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118583539#Comment_118583539

There are so many better paying jobs as political advisors today that it makes sense for them to be their friends. The media has been purged of right of centre voices and you can imagine that she is in agreement with most government policies.

Brucie Bonus · 05-02-2022 2:56pm

Journalism is now seen as a road into PR or shilling for a politician. This was happening before the decline in print really kicked in. Maybe Journalists got tired of parroting what the paper's owners wanted. When we have the FG AG working for INM it really shows they are interchangeable. Is the Village one of the few not tied to government?

skimpydoo · 06-02-2022 2:32am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118586329#Comment_118586329

Village and Phoenix.

Mad_maxx · 06-02-2022 10:22am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118583539#Comment_118583539

Crap journalist

is_that_so · 06-02-2022 10:39am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118589509#Comment_118589509

It's not all down to poor journalism although there is a lot of shoddy work out there and some shockingly poor ability to use basic English grammar correctly. The Internet has done as much damage to traditional media as it has to the rest of us!

With the bottom lines and advertising tanking in a lot of areas due to the demands of a constant 24 hour news cycle they are being forced to adapt to applying strategies of online strategies.

Sadly, that includes the absolute obsession with fresh content. Not that it's all bad but the type of good practice that SEO encourages has produced articles that are very reduced in complexity, thought and commonly dumbed down. Coupled with our overall reduced concentration spans and the likely more limited vocabulary range of readers it has effectively turned a lot of sites and traditional media into gossip magazines, slightly upmarket ones if we're lucky.

Mad_maxx · 06-02-2022 11:05am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118589554#Comment_118589554

I meant Aoife Moore is a rubbish journalist

is_that_so · 06-02-2022 11:10am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118589630#Comment_118589630

Yeah, that's implied in my post! Not entirely her fault though - we do like celebs even ones who think they are important but if it gets attention and sells copies ....

NIMAN · 21-02-2022 7:43pm

I know the Indo has been in decline for many many years, but even for them this story is filler of the worst standard.

Yesterday they had a story telling us Una Healy had checked into a lovely 5 star resort in Mexico, complete with her posing for some obligatory bikini shots (aren't I just gorgeous).

But today, a follow up story. To tell you how delighted she is that her fans have been sending her lovely messages while she lords it up on holiday, while we get battered by storms and pissed on by rain back home. But we are so happy for her.

She must have a good agent, as she is never out of the print media in Ireland.

https://m.independent.ie/style/celebrity/una-healy-thanks-fans-for-lovely-messages-as-she-enjoys-luxurious-five-star-mexico-trip-41368906.html

Amadan Dubh · 31-05-2022 4:50pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118669161#Comment_118669161

Just to follow up on this; she definitely has a publicist or something trying to drum up profile around what is pretty obviously an utterly boring, vacuous life she lives. "Is she/isn't she" dating stories keep popping up on the homepages of media publications when it is clear that she has little else goin on in her life. It's like she is trying to fake it til she makes it, when in reality she lives a fairly typical single mom life in her native, albeit boring, Tipperary. She should really hold off getting these paid-for pieces out there until there is actually a bit more going on in her life as it just highlights that there is nothing going on with her.