Intellectuals weigh in on Cancel Culture

joe40

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

Lots of parents refuse to have there kids vaccinated for various reasons, if you are discussing vaccination in a classroom situation you have to present that information as well as what science may recommend surely!

Yeah that information would be discussed.

joe40

jackboy wrote: »

In fairness that is just meaningless waffle.

It's not

Silentcorner

volchitsa wrote: »

I'm puzzled: what "other side" is there to present in that case?

Well, you know, that some believe that climate change is not the end of the world.

Silentcorner

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Maybe we should create alt schools, teach only conspiracy, get them smoking, drinking and doing drugs earlier, they ll be well ahead of the posy then when they get older

Is that the best you can add to the discussion?

Wanderer78

Silentcorner wrote:

Well, you know, that some believe that climate change is not the end of the world.

End of the world! what are you on about?

Silentcorner

Wanderer78 wrote: »

End of the world! what are you on about?

Are you even reading this thread....

We are discussing climate anxiety in young people....something that is a growing issue.

Wanderer78

Silentcorner wrote:

Is that the best you can add to the discussion?

No, I've a few more ideas, maybe no sex ed, we ll just have pornhub as the only accessible site

political analyst

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Asian Flanders

Nothing encapsulates how meaningless the "cancel culture" discourse is than Margaret Wente - a serial plagiarist who had a column national column for 33 years before retiring on her own terms - getting wall to wall coverage for a blog post in which she claims she was silenced.

twitter.com

My heart bleeds for her.

Margaret Wente addressed the plagiarism allegation in the Quillette article.

In 2012, I was accused of plagiarism. While my newspaper found me guilty of nothing more than carelessness, there is no question that I screwed up by failing to attribute material to other sources. My critics gleefully seized on the incident, and I’ve been trolled on social media ever since. The issue also became a convenient rallying point for the mob that assembled once my appointment to the Quadrangle Society was announced (along with about two dozen other appointees).

Wanderer78

Silentcorner wrote:

We are discussing climate anxiety in young people....something that is a growing issue.

That is correct, because us adults have seriously fcuked up

Silentcorner

Wanderer78 wrote: »

No, I've a few more ideas, maybe no sex ed, we ll just have pornhub as the only accessible site

Well...go away and start a thread about it...

jackboy

joe40 wrote: »

It's not

You said very few things are ever proven in science. That is way off.

Kaybaykwah

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Maybe we should create alt schools, teach only conspiracy, get them smoking, drinking and doing drugs earlier, they ll be well ahead of the posy then when they get older

If you move your lucky family to the Bible Belt, you'll have no trouble finding one of those charter schools to oblige, luckier yet if they start fracking in your backyard, rifles a' crackin'. Freedom.

Wanderer78

Silentcorner wrote:

Well...go away and start a thread about it...

Ah have a laugh, tis Saturday

volchitsa

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well, you know, that some believe that climate change is not the end of the world.

SO the other side you mentioned is "Ah sure it'll be grand"? What evidence is there of that?

I imagine most people who know anything about it think that wealthy countries and people will be able to shield themselves from most of the direct effects of climate change. I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to say "Meh, it's not that bad" though.

For instance, the civil war in Syria started because of several years of drought - we're going to be feeling the consequences of that in western Europe perhaps for generations to come.

joe40

Silentcorner wrote: »

Are you even reading this thread....

We are discussing climate anxiety in young people....something that is a growing issue.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zt6sfg8/revision/2

This is an example of the content that would be used to teach the topic of climate change for 12 to 14 year olds.

No mention of the end of the world.

I do take your point some are developing anxiety and I would try to dispel that in a class, but I still teach the topic.

I know this is unrelated but I once had a class where I was discussing dangers of smoking and laying and a wee girl got upset because her Father still smoked. I had to backtrack a bit but couldn't lie.

Silentcorner

volchitsa wrote: »

I imagine most people who know anything about it think that wealthy countries and people will be able to shield themselves from most of the direct effects of climate change. I'm not sure that's a good enough reason to say "Meh, it's not that bad" though.

For instance, the civil war in Syria started because of several years of drought - we're going to be feeling the consequences of that in western Europe perhaps for generations to come.

Believe it or not, I'm quiet disposed to that very position, but I am a little uncomfortable about how unbalanced the whole issue has become...I am also prepared to believe that the issue of man made climate change has been overstated, we seem to have major issues presented to us in a very polarizing manner, you are either on board or you are a (insert insult) and the media industry that influences us all to some degree is an incredibly unhealthy place...it is prudent to prepare to accept you (as in anyone) are being misinformed persistently over any issue you care to mention.

I don't think it is healthy to pump anxiety into young people...it wasn't healthy decades ago when it was priests pumping fear into kids, it is not healthy now.

You can teach kids how to live in a more sustainable manner in a way that doesn't frighten them.

Skylinehead

Silentcorner wrote: »

Well, you know, that some believe that climate change is not the end of the world.

Strawman alert. Kids aren't taught that climate change is the end of the world.

Sometimes there is no other side, at least rationally.

Wanderer78

Silentcorner wrote:

You can teach kids how to live in a more sustainable manner in a way that doesn't frighten them.

Absolutely, but it's a little disturbing it took an autistic child for us to truly start reacting to the seriousness of the situation

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

Believe it or not, I'm quiet disposed to that very position, but I am a little uncomfortable about how unbalanced the whole issue has become...I am also prepared to believe that the issue of man made climate change has been overstated, we seem to have major issues presented to us in a very polarizing manner, you are either on board or you are a (insert insult) and the media industry that influences us all to some degree is an incredibly unhealthy place...it is prudent to prepare to accept you (as in anyone) are being misinformed persistently over any issue you care to mention.

I don't think it is healthy to pump anxiety into young people...it wasn't healthy decades ago when it was priests pumping fear into kids, it is not healthy now.

You can teach kids how to live in a more sustainable manner in a way that doesn't frighten them.

Oddly enough, I'd be similar to yourself. We talk so much about how untrustworthy the media has become and yet, we're expected to trust them on some issues? And for every research paper stating one thing, you'll find three more stating something else.

Honestly, I don't know what to believe when it comes to climate change. I don't have any particular strong trust in reports anymore, unless the vast majority points the same way with extremely good evidence. I haven't seen that yet. (Although I admit that I don't concern myself with it much since it's unlikely to really affect me)

mick087

Illiberalism is getting out of hand.

Its the middle class university educated elite that is the issue.
They know what is best they know what is right and wrong. and if you dont agree your either a racist or a privileged white man.

They scream and protest for equity well equity for cetrian groups, god forbid you suggest equity for all, and if you even try to say equity for the working class you get that patronising smirk.

They critise elected world leaders and in my opioion most are bloody alful but they was elected never the less.
We are heading towards a communist europe where you are locked up for having a differernce of opinion.

Im accused of having left views but i believe with all my heart in demrocarcy and freemdom of speach even for views beliefs i dont like.

Silentcorner

joe40 wrote: »

https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/zt6sfg8/revision/2

This is an example of the content that would be used to teach the topic of climate change for 12 to 14 year olds.

No mention of the end of the world.

I do take your point some are developing anxiety and I would try to dispel that in a class, but I still teach the topic.

I know this is unrelated but I once had a class where I was discussing dangers of smoking and laying and a wee girl got upset because her Father still smoked. I had to backtrack a bit but couldn't lie.

I understand the difficulty, I'd imagine some teachers are better than others but clearly, some kids are being affected in a manner that is unhealthy.

I'd also have a lot less trust in the BBC than you do...but I accept that might well be valid information.

joe40

jackboy wrote: »

You said very few things are ever proven in science. That is way off.

I do know what you mean sometimes evidence is so overwhelming that the scientific theories are widely accepted.
But that is not exactly the same as proof.

The basis of science or the scientific method is the idea of understanding the world by a process of testable hypothesis.
If new evidence is available theories are changed or amended.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/11/22/scientific-proof-is-a-myth/amp/

This article explains what I mean better than I can.

Wanderer78

Deleted User wrote:

Honestly, I don't know what to believe when it comes to climate change. I don't have any particular strong trust in reports anymore, unless the vast majority points the same way with extremely good evidence. I haven't seen that yet. (Although I admit that I don't concern myself with it much since it's unlikely to really affect me)

Scientific modelling of complexity is not absolute, it probably never will be, in the words of climate economist Kate Raworth, 'all models are wrong, but some are useful', she's right. We don't really know exactly what's going to happen in the future with climate change, but current indications don't look great, some field scientists working in artic regions gathering climate data believe it's being under reported in the media, they believe it's far worse than expected.

Silentcorner

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Absolutely, but it's a little disturbing it took an autistic child for us to truly start reacting to the seriousness of the situation

Funny you mention her, it was when the movement presented a 16 year old girl as a leader to the world was the moment I started questioning it...

She wasn't the first young girl to be presented by the movement...this one was 12 years of age I think...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Severn_Cullis-Suzuki

She won't be the last.

Junkyard Tom

political analyst wrote: »

Margaret Wente addressed the plagiarism allegation in the Quillette article.

Can you remember exact the point in your life when you developed a deep concern for privileged elderly women journalists on the other side of the world?

Wanderer78

mick087 wrote:

They critise elected world leaders and in my opioion most are bloody alful but they was elected never the less. We are heading towards a communist europe where you are locked up for having a differernce of opinion.

You do realise Europe is heavily designed around the neoliberal/neoclassical ideology, traditionally a more conservative ideology, but whereby traditional left leaning parties also moved towards, effectively abandoning it's base, ultimately shafting themselves. We are in fact more skewed towards the right, particularly economically, hence issues such as the de-democratisation of our states, this changing landscape largely benefitting the more plutocratic elements in society, similar to the us, I. E, very far from a communist state

jackboy

joe40 wrote: »

I do know what you mean sometimes evidence is so overwhelming that the scientific theories are widely accepted.
But that is not exactly the same as proof.

The basis of science or the scientific method is the idea of understanding the world by a process of testable hypothesis.
If new evidence is available theories are changed or amended.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/11/22/scientific-proof-is-a-myth/amp/

This article explains what I mean better than I can.

That article says that evolution has not and can not been proven. To use that as an argument to imply that the scientific consensus on climate change is somehow as valid as the scientific knowledge on evolution is a bit worrying.

Wanderer78

Silentcorner wrote:

Funny you mention her, it was when the movement presented a 16 year old girl as a leader to the world was the moment I started questioning it...

She more or less presented herself for the matter, no she wasn't the first, and more than likely won't be the last, as we have a tendency not to change much on such matters

mick087

Wanderer78 wrote: »

You do realise Europe is heavily designed around the neoliberal/neoclassical ideology, traditionally a more conservative ideology, but whereby traditional left leaning parties also moved towards, effectively abandoning it's base, ultimately shafting themselves. We are in fact more skewed towards the right, particularly economically, hence issues such as the de-democratisation of our states, this changing landscape largely benefitting the more plutocratic elements in society, similar to the us, I. E, very far from a communist state

Yes Europe is now built on neo-liberal economic principles which are iron-clad and unchangeable i agree. Europe is totally uneaual, and we are indeed in the hands of the rich and powerful.

For the masses we will not be allowed to think of have an opinion.
Europe is a playground, it has equality its fun If your middle class that is.

Wanderer78

mick087 wrote:

Yes Europe is now built on neo-liberal economic principles which are iron-clad and unchangeable i agree. Europe is totally uneaual, and we are indeed in the hands of the rich and powerful.

I disagree about the unchangeable part, we created this beast, we can change it if we put our minds together, which is slowly happening, very slowly though. I suspect trump and brexit will force us to change, I certainly hope it does, but I'm confident enough, the world has had enough of this nonsense now, but changing won't be easy