Intellectuals weigh in on Cancel Culture

TomTomTim

SlowMotion321 wrote: »

I feel truly sorry for students today, protest, anti protest. When i was in college we worried about
Getting drunk
Getting stoned
Getting laid
Getting through exams

Chose your order, I had a great fcuking time!

Never mind just students, it's dripping down to children too. Young kids are having their heads shoved full of nonsense about climate change and LGBT issues. Those who are guilty of doing this will tell you it's not political, but it is, and I quite frankly find it all disgusting.

Silentcorner

TomTomTim wrote: »

Never mind just students, it's dripping down to children too. Young kids are having their heads shoved full of nonsense about climate change and LGBT issues. Those who are guilty of doing this will tell you it's not political, but it is, and I quite frankly find it all disgusting.

It is amazing when you think about it, it's as messed up as priests roaring at kids that they'll burn in hell if they don't follow the rules....

SlowMotion321

TomTomTim wrote: »

Never mind just students, it's dripping down to children too. Young kids are having their heads shoved full of nonsense about climate change and LGBT issues. Those who are guilty of doing this will tell you it's not political, but it is, and I quite frankly find it all disgusting.

Indeed! kids should be kids, silly, socialised and socially unaware, they will have plenty of time for that for the rest of their lives as adults!

Chris_Heilong

TomTomTim wrote: »

Never mind just students, it's dripping down to children too. Young kids are having their heads shoved full of nonsense about climate change and LGBT issues. Those who are guilty of doing this will tell you it's not political, but it is, and I quite frankly find it all disgusting.

It is as simple as corrupt the mind at a young age and the brainwashing will last for life.

SlowMotion321

To quote uncle Buck "I don't want to know a 6 year old who isn't a sillyheart!"

(probably misquoted but you know what i mean)

joe40

TomTomTim wrote: »

Never mind just students, it's dripping down to children too. Young kids are having their heads shoved full of nonsense about climate change and LGBT issues. Those who are guilty of doing this will tell you it's not political, but it is, and I quite frankly find it all disgusting.

I have a 14 year and a 16 year, I can't say that is my experience. I have seen no evidence of brain washing.

Silentcorner

joe40 wrote: »

I have a 14 year and a 16 year, I can't say that is my experience. I have seen no evidence of brain washing.

Climate anxiety in kids is a well documented issue, let's not pretend young people aren't affected by hysterical predictions....

https://www.google.ie/search?source=hp&ei=GvkJX5CeJ86AhbIPqYynuAY&q=climate+anxiety+affecting+kids&oq=climate+anxiety+affecting+kids&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoICAAQsQMQgwE6BQgAELEDOgIIADoGCAAQFhAeOgUIIRCgAToECCEQFToICCEQFhAdEB5QugFYkTlg0zpoAHAAeACAAYgBiAH3EJIBBDI5LjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiQk5vq3sXqAhVOQEEAHSnGCWcQ4dUDCAc&uact=5

SlowMotion321

Greta Thunberg! When was she a kid?

joe40

Silentcorner wrote: »

Climate anxiety in kids is a well documented issue, let's not pretend young people aren't affected by hysterical predictions....

https://www.google.ie/search?source=hp&ei=GvkJX5CeJ86AhbIPqYynuAY&q=climate+anxiety+affecting+kids&oq=climate+anxiety+affecting+kids&gs_lcp=CgZwc3ktYWIQAzoICAAQsQMQgwE6BQgAELEDOgIIADoGCAAQFhAeOgUIIRCgAToECCEQFToICCEQFhAdEB5QugFYkTlg0zpoAHAAeACAAYgBiAH3EJIBBDI5LjGYAQCgAQGqAQdnd3Mtd2l6&sclient=psy-ab&ved=0ahUKEwiQk5vq3sXqAhVOQEEAHSnGCWcQ4dUDCAc&uact=5

No harm with young people been aware of climate change. It is an issue that they will face.
I accept not at primary school age, but definitely at secondary school, they should know about it.

Silentcorner

joe40 wrote: »

No harm with young people been aware of climate change. It is an issue that they will face.
I accept not at primary school age, but definitely at secondary school, they should know about it.

In the school you teach in, do you present both sides of the climate change argument or just one side?

SlowMotion321

Silentcorner wrote: »

In the school you teach in, do you present both sides of the climate change argument or just one side?

Stir that pot baby!

joe40

Silentcorner wrote: »

In the school you teach in, do you present both sides of the climate change argument or just one side?

I would generally present the scientific consensus.

For younger kids 12 to 14 we would also encourage project type work and research on the topic of Energy and climate change. To be honest I would steer clear of the doomsday scenarios.
At GCSE level science it is really just a mad dash to get through the syllabus, not much time for anything outside that remit.
I work in the North hence the GCSE reference.

Kaybaykwah

Silentcorner wrote: »

In the school you teach in, do you present both sides of the climate change argument or just one side?

The Climate Change deniers haven't been very good at countering the arguments of climate change, they are overwhelmed by the scientific preponderance on the side of said climate change.

On the other hand, if you are plugged into Breitbart et al, intravenously, not much can be done for you...

Silentcorner

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

The Climate Change deniers haven't been very good at countering the arguments of climate change, they are overwhelmed by the scientific preponderance on the side of said climate change.

On the other hand, if you are plugged into Breitbart et al, intravenously, not much can be done for you...

Here we go....

Who denied that climate change doesn't exist?

SlowMotion321

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

The Climate Change deniers haven't been very good at countering the arguments of climate change, they are overwhelmed by the scientific preponderance on the side of said climate change.

On the other hand, if you are plugged into Breitbart et al, intravenously, not much can be done for you...

Even so if you are going to present a hypothesis it is incumbent on you to give all the information, theories available for and against, even if you think it is bull****!

Silentcorner

joe40 wrote: »

I would generally present the scientific consensus.

For younger kids 12 to 14 we would also encourage project type work and research on the topic of Energy and climate change. To be honest I would steer clear of the doomsday scenarios.
At GCSE level science it is really just a mad dash to get through the syllabus, not much time for anything outside that remit.
I work in the North hence the GCSE reference.

So that is one side of the argument then...maybe that is what is causing all the climate anxiety in young people!!!

joe40

Silentcorner wrote: »

So that is one side of the argument then...maybe that is what is causing all the climate anxiety in young people!!!

Vaccines are also on the science syllabus, should I present anti vaxxer arguments as equally valid.

joe40

Silentcorner wrote: »

So that is one side of the argument then...maybe that is what is causing all the climate anxiety in young people!!!

So what is the other side of the argument? That it's all a hoax made by China.
We would discuss that some don't believe it is an issue and some believe it is an issue but not man made.

jackboy

joe40 wrote: »

I would generally present the scientific consensus.

Scientific consensus is a political term not a scientific term. In science something is either true or it is not true. If it is not known whether something is true or false then it is simply unknown. A consensus in such a situation is not scientifically valid.

Mr Meanor

Critical thinking for younger people is in serious trouble now and in the future,
but then the bar has been set pretty low these last few years.
Bums on seats, meritocracy be damned and get them passed is the only cry from academia as they try to ensure their future employment.

Bye the way just saw the title of a paper for a conference that might be of interest to some Art departments,

'Check your Creative Privilege 2020'

Silentcorner

joe40 wrote: »

Vaccines are also on the science syllabus, should I present anti vaxxer arguments as equally valid.

Did you bring vaccines into the discussion in an attempt to undermine my point about climate anxiety in young people? If so, why, because there is no issue of anxiety in young people regarding vaccines...

joe40

jackboy wrote: »

Scientific consensus is a political term not a scientific term. In science something is either true or it is not true. If it is not known whether something is true or false then it is simply unknown. A consensus in such a situation is not scientifically valid.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus.amp

If NASA can use the term it's good enough for me.
Very few things are ever proven in science.
There is just the best hypothesis for the available evidence. With new evidence comes new theories.
That is the importance of peer review.

Wanderer78

Silentcorner wrote:

In the school you teach in, do you present both sides of the climate change argument or just one side?

What other side?

Kaybaykwah

Silentcorner wrote: »

Here we go....

Who denied that climate change doesn't exist?

Well then, what is your point?

jackboy

joe40 wrote: »

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus.amp

If NASA can use the term it's good enough for me.
Very few things are ever proven in science.
There is just the best hypothesis for the available evidence. With new evidence comes new theories.
That is the importance of peer review.

In fairness that is just meaningless waffle.

SlowMotion321

Lots of parents refuse to have there kids vaccinated for various reasons, if you are discussing vaccination in a classroom situation you have to present that information as well as what science may recommend surely!

Kaybaykwah

Silentcorner wrote: »

Here we go....

Who denied that climate change doesn't exist?

Well then, what is your point?


You could also debate the positive points of smoking or chewing tobacco, there are some.

joe40

Silentcorner wrote: »

Did you bring vaccines into the discussion in an attempt to undermine my point about climate anxiety in young people? If so, why, because there is no issue of anxiety in young people regarding vaccines...

So what do you suggest is done about climate anxiety.
I'm in no doubt it exists for a small number but not that many, I mean real anxiety. Some Kids are anxious and that needs to be handled.

For me personally I would not push the doomsday scenarios, but at the same time I'm not going to say the issue is not real.

volchitsa

Silentcorner wrote: »

Here we go....

Who denied that climate change doesn't exist?

I'm puzzled: what "other side" is there to present in that case?

Wanderer78

Kaybaykwah wrote:

You could also debate the positive points of smoking or chewing tobacco, there are some.

Maybe we should create alt schools, teach only conspiracy, get them smoking, drinking and doing drugs earlier, they ll be well ahead of the posy then when they get older