Past lives

The chan chan man

sallyanne12 wrote: »

But we are using our human brains here. This is beyond the physical so simply can’t be proven

Well I can’t argue with that I guess..

joeguevara

The chan chan man wrote: »

“If you count that as evidence”

No, i don’t.

Come on, think about it logically. Look for the reason, look for the proof. There is nothing to even suggest that this might be the case!

Logically, proof, reason when discussing past lives. When you were a Viking your nickname was bjorn again.

sallyanne12

The chan chan man wrote: »

Says who??

Accounts of people who believe in reincarnation. I googled stories

quokula

I’ve always found the concepts around reincarnation to be quite comforting.

The idea / probable reality that death is just The End scares the hell out of me if I spend too much time thinking about it. And the concept of some eternal afterlife seems absurd but also quite unappealing. No matter how great heaven is, I’d be pretty bored of it after the first billion years.

Reincarnation seems like a nice thing to believe in. Getting to live more lives after this one, with a new memory each time, is kind of a nice thought. The concept of karma layered on top is nice too.

With that said I don’t really believe it, but I can see why people would. It’s no less believable than anything else from any other religion.

joeguevara

The chan chan man wrote: »

Says who??

Says you when you convinced the pagans to build bone fires

Sardonicat

joeguevara wrote: »

At least we didn’t tell people to eat cake.

Now, don't lose the head...

joeguevara

sallyanne12 wrote: »

Accounts of people who believe in reincarnation. I googled stories

Spirits and past lives are conflicted though. The one, I don’t know what to call it but let’s say entity, I wouldn’t believe about past lives is spirits.

Some good documentaries on it https://youtu.be/Uq8l4XVfgPA

I love teaching parrots to say they are reincarnated and to be careful and then selling them to random people.

sallyanne12

quokula wrote: »

The idea / probable reality that death is just The End scares the hell out of me if I spend too much time thinking about it..

Me too quokula. I try not to think about it. But then I believe anything is possible for an afterlife. I’m more leaning towards karma and reincarnation out of all the possible options. I think it’s either that or nothing at all. I think If it exists we remember everything as spirit (All our lives) and forget when we reincarnate each time but remember while in the spirit world

sallyanne12

joeguevara wrote: »

Spirits and past lives are conflicted though..

How?

joeguevara

Sardonicat wrote: »

Now, don't lose the head...

Most people who are reincarnated have visions of exciting lives and being things like wild hogs but in reality were usually massive boars.

joeguevara

sallyanne12 wrote: »

How?

Actually I don’t know. Never heard of a spirit waiting to be reborn, no clue though.

joeguevara

Ok, i have a few thoughts. There is a difference between past lives and reincarnation. Reincarnation is the belief that what you do in this life wil determine your next. The better you are the better your next being or incarnation. Now, if i was to believe that and having a decent life compared to the majority of people on earth I,e, starving Africa, war torn, abused, tortured then I would have to assume my next life might begin again as a dung beetle.

Past lives are an interesting concept. Usually people who meet their past lives are egyptian princesses or hero warriors. Never a toilet cleaner in Rome. Why would boring old me meet such an interesting one and not a regular one.

As for spirits telling me about past lives, surely they would be more interested In becoming flesh than wasting time achieving nothing.

85603

Ipso wrote: »

How does re-incarnation explain exponential population growth? Can people come back multiple times?

its a big universe with lots of creatures at all different stages.

from what i know reincarnation was a part of christianity until the council of nicea.

plato wrote about it, the river stix, the elysian fields. there are early accounts of it in different cultures.

joeguevara

85603 wrote: »

its a big universe with lots of creatures at all different stages.

from what i know reincarnation was a part of christianity until the council of nicea.

plato wrote about it, the river stix, the elysian fields. there are early accounts of it in different cultures.

Christians believed in concept of resurrection rather than reincarnation. Without that belief Jesus resurrection was difficult to explain. As Christians believe ashes to ashes dust to dust that physical bodies would dissolve. There was a believe that all dead would resurrect at end of time to go to heaven. New Testament rejects that with concept of eternal life.

Reincarnation in Hindu and Buddhism based on karma or good is different and not solely for humans. Ranging from the worst life of a dung beetle to a royal is a nice thing to believe when you are a starving peasant but are good. Hence Buddhists constantly giving gifts and virtue to monks when they are starving themselves. Good hustle

4068ac1elhodqr

Best bet is bit of ye olde past life regression hypnotherapy.

Another curiosity is folks that get a bump on the head or something, then wake up the next day with a german accent, or worse, liverpudlian!
That would be grounds for d-i-v-o-r-c-e shirley.

Bannasidhe

joeguevara wrote: »

At least we didn’t tell people to eat cake.

Dammit. I said brioche.
BRIOCHE.

:mad:

Cupatae

sallyanne12 wrote: »

You really don’t grasp it lol. You were never him. You were always your spirit

We're floating around on a blue ball in the middle of nothing, all created of course when nothing exploded and created everything , the whole lot doesn't make sense depends on what version ur most comfortable with I guess but I wouldn't rule anything out.

85603

joeguevara wrote: »

Christians believed in concept of resurrection rather than reincarnation. Without that belief Jesus resurrection was difficult to explain. As Christians believe ashes to ashes dust to dust that physical bodies would dissolve. There was a believe that all dead would resurrect at end of time to go to heaven. New Testament rejects that with concept of eternal life.

Reincarnation in Hindu and Buddhism based on karma or good is different and not solely for humans. Ranging from the worst life of a dung beetle to a royal is a nice thing to believe when you are a starving peasant but are good. Hence Buddhists constantly giving gifts and virtue to monks when they are starving themselves. Good hustle

all they have to do is give up all money, possessions, and intimate relationships for whatever they might be offered (which also must be accepted btw).

'the sins of the father shall be visited upon the son' doesnt really make much sense until the father is taken as analogy for the prior life and the son the next reincarnation.

joeguevara

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Dammit. I said brioche.
BRIOCHE.

:mad:

Brioche and reincarnation is making a comeback

joeguevara

85603 wrote: »

all they have to do is give up all money, possessions, and intimate relationships for whatever they might be offered (which also must be accepted btw).

'the sins of the father shall be visited upon the son' doesnt really make much sense until the father is taken as analogy for the prior life and the son the next reincarnation.

Compare that to ‘Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.‘ from deutoronomy. Basically the text you quoted was a threat to be good. No verse can be taken in isolation as proof of anything. Especially a translation of original verse.

Kaybaykwah

I would hate to be reincarnated as the guy who gives parking tickets or the lady who takes money in exchange for toilet paper in train stations.
I'm game for anything else, though. I would just for one day love to be someone other than my very boring old self.

joeguevara

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

I would hate to be reincarnated as the guy who gives parking tickets or the lady who takes money in exchange for toilet paper in train stations.
I'm game for anything else, though. I would just for one day love to be someone other than my very boring old self.

Interestingly karma reincarnation means the worse life you have means you had an even worse before. So although you might think that giving parking tickets is bad, probably not as bad as a tapeworm.

Also if it’s perpetual then it gets better so a liver fluke was probably Jim Morrison before.

Past lives are more like quantum leap and karma doesn’t seem to determine it based on supposed meetings.

Kaybaykwah

joeguevara wrote: »

Interestingly karma reincarnation means the worse life you have means you had an even worse before. So although you might think that giving parking tickets is bad, probably not as bad as a tapeworm.

Also if it’s perpetual then it gets better so a liver fluke was probably Jim Morrison before.

Past lives are more like quantum leap and karma doesn’t seem to determine it based on supposed meetings.

The takeaway is we don't get to choose Jim or the river fluke. Damn.

joeguevara

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

The takeaway is we don't get to choose Jim or the river fluke. Damn.

Doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. If you are Jim you must have had some sh1t along the way so why wast your opportunity now. If your a fluke look forward to better things. It’s only a blip.

Kaybaykwah

joeguevara wrote: »

Doesn’t really matter in the grand scheme of things. If you are Jim you must have had some sh1t along the way so why wast your opportunity now. If your a fluke look forward to better things. It’s only a blip.

Mind youse, a liver fluke might be all fun and games for all I know. I just can't wrap my head around the thought of giving out tickets. Being Jim Morrison, let's face it, the guy didn't need to reappear as a fluke, he got pretty good at damaging his liver on his own during his lifetime.

joeguevara

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

Mind youse, a liver fluke might be all fun and games for all I know. I just can't wrap my head around the thought of giving out tickets. Being Jim Morrison, let's face it, the guy didn't need to reappear as a fluke, he got pretty good at damaging his liver on his own during his lifetime.

Haven’t seen many movies based on the hedonistic ways of liver fluke.

In fact this is the best I have seen

https://youtu.be/YqzV_QJ3m48

Kylta

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

I would hate to be reincarnated as the guy who gives parking tickets or the lady who takes money in exchange for toilet paper in train stations.
I'm game for anything else, though. I would just for one day love to be someone other than my very boring old self.

Ahh who said your boring?

Kylta

I'm sure I lived in a past life. As did most people I know. I think the people I know from my past life are all seeking an apology from me for the wrong i've done them. In my past life I was a cannibal and I'm sure I murdered and ate these people. Now here is where it gets confusing I want to apologise for murdering them, but I also want to thank them for their sacrifice in sustaining with their gift. Actually maybe its not a past life im thinking off maybe its a premonition of things to come. Maybe they'll sacrifice themselves for me when covid 23 causes widespread famine

Kaybaykwah

Kylta wrote: »

I'm sure I lived in a past life. As did most people I know. I think the people I know from my past life are all seeking an apology from me for the wrong i've done them. In my past life I was a cannibal and I'm sure I murdered and ate these people. Now here is where it gets confusing I want to apologise for murdering them, but I also want to thank them for their sacrifice in sustaining with their gift. Actually maybe its not a past life im thinking off maybe its a premonition of things to come. Maybe they'll sacrifice themselves for me when covid 23 causes widespread famine

Yes, your present state of enlightenment suggests you will reincarnate into some higher entity still. Your thankfulness for the sacrifice of others is a great thing indeed. I think for myself that I have a vey mousy, not to say lousy attitude in front of adversity. My little finger tells me I must have been a lab rat or such in a very recent past life. That, or a louse.

Kylta

Kaybaykwah wrote: »

Yes, your present state of enlightenment suggests you will reincarnate into some higher entity still. Your thankfulness for the sacrifice of others is a great thing indeed. I think for myself that I have a vey mousy, not to say lousy attitude in front of adversity. My little finger tells me I must have been a lab rat or such in a very recent past life. That, or a louse.

You could come back as a bat that dwells in wuhan, you might not be loved. But by god you'll be well fu¢king feared.