Past lives

sallyanne12

Hard to know where to post this as I want serious answers but can’t find anywhere where those annoying mods won’t moan about my post...
Recently I’ve heard more and more people speaking about “past lives” or I was such and such in my past life etc. Are people just becoming more mental or am I missing something?
Who believes in past lives and why do they know all about them and I know nothing...

McGinniesta

There's only one way to find out.

It involves dying.

riffmongous

It's a central to tenet to about one sixth of the world's population isn't it?

Tuco88

What I would do to go back to the world of the late 90s.

I may sound a bit mad here, but I've met a couple of people who I reckon I knew in a past life..No particular reason.. didn't get to know them well..was just weird though..

sallyanne12

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I may sound a bit mad here, but I've met a couple of people who I reckon I knew in a past life..No particular reason.. didn't get to know them well..was just weird though..

Funny you say that. I’ve had people I hardly know who I feel I really care about. I remember feeling so much love and so many feelings for a woman in the past (not sexual) I couldn’t understand it at the time

I'm the reincarnation of Shirley MacLaine.

Ipso

How does re-incarnation explain exponential population growth? Can people come back multiple times?

sallyanne12

Ipso wrote: »

How does re-incarnation explain exponential population growth? Can people come back multiple times?

Well if you believe in reincarnation then people come back multiple times yes... you just keep having life after life until you learn all your lessons... that’s what they say

Leg End Reject

sallyanne12 wrote: »

Well if you believe in reincarnation then people come back multiple times yes... you just keep having life after life until you learn all your lessons... that’s what they say

But you can only come back as one person at a time, so the population should remain static.

It's more likely we're here once, so enjoy it and don't look for reasoning or meaning.

The chan chan man

Think about it logically, does reincarnation exist? Why would it? How could it?

We evolved from apes, or with apes.. Do they reincarnate? If so, then do all animals? Is homo erectus still being reincarnated? Since when? Homo habilis? Is he still popping up every so often? How is population growth explained? Where were we before? Where do we go after? Into eternal nothingness..

As nice as it is to think that grandma’s coming back.. she’s not.

So to answer the question, no, i do not believe we live any life other than this.

YMMV..

joeguevara

The chan chan man wrote: »

Think about it logically, does reincarnation exist? Why would it? How could it?

We evolved from apes, or with apes.. Do they reincarnate? If so, then do all animals? Is homo erectus still being reincarnated? Since when? Homo habilis? Is he still popping up every so often? How is population growth explained? Where were we before? Where do we go after? Into eternal nothingness..

As nice as it is to think that grandma’s coming back.. she’s not.

So to answer the question, no, i do not believe we live any life other than this.

YMMV..

I didn’t believe in reincarnation when I was you either.

sallyanne12

The chan chan man wrote: »

Think about it logically, does reincarnation exist? Why would it? How could it?

We evolved from apes, or with apes.. Do they reincarnate? If so, then do all animals? Is homo erectus still being reincarnated? Since when? Homo habilis? Is he still popping up every so often? How is population growth explained? Where were we before? Where do we go after? Into eternal nothingness..

As nice as it is to think that grandma’s coming back.. she’s not.

So to answer the question, no, i do not believe we live any life other than this.

YMMV..

I’m really open minded about this so could be either way and wouldn’t surprise me but none of the points you make make reincarnation impossible. Of course all animals could reincarnate. The body is just a vessel in the case of reincarnation. You ask why would reincarnation exist. But why would it all be so random that we are here once and then die. How did we even come to exist? Population growth is explained by people having more kids (there would now be more opportunities for dead people to reincarnate as more people having kids)... before we were spirit or on earth as somebody else...
I Don’t believe myself but I don’t not believe either. I guess we’ll never know

sallyanne12

joeguevara wrote: »

I didn’t believe in reincarnation when I was you either.

You really don’t grasp it lol. You were never him. You were always your spirit

sallyanne12

Leg End Reject wrote: »

But you can only come back as one person at a time, so the population should remain static.

It's more likely we're here once, so enjoy it and don't look for reasoning or meaning.

But not everybody comes back straight away... can stay in spirit world for years before coming back

Leg End Reject

Going on up to the spirit in the sky
That's where I'm going to go when I die ...

Sardonicat

Leg End Reject wrote: »

But you can only come back as one person at a time, so the population should remain static.

/quote]

Whether we do or don't reincarnate is irrelevant to me. Even if we do, we can only live one life at a time so what went before or comes after isn't pertinent.

The feelings of recognition and even deep, pure love for people we barely know - yeah, I've experienced that too. The latter only once. I don't know if any explanation is required. Maybe we do know them - in the here and now. We connect immediately sometimes. And maybe we feel that love because we sumply do love them. Don't over analyse things like that - just experience them. It's all part of being human.

joeguevara

sallyanne12 wrote: »

You really don’t grasp it lol. You were never him. You were always your spirit

I thought that when I was you too.

I might sound a bit odd here again, but a few years ago my parents dog died..a little Pomeranian..
~6 months later a pup the absolute head off her popped up on Facebook for sale a half hour away..as soon as he saw me he bounced over and climbed up on to my shoulder.. seemed to know the aul pairs' house too.. he's now my nieces' dog.. exact same temperament..(they're generally narky out.. this one isn't..)

I'm completely convinced it's the reincarnation of the same dog..

The chan chan man

sallyanne12 wrote: »

I’m really open minded about this so could be either way and wouldn’t surprise me but none of the points you make make reincarnation impossible. Of course all animals could reincarnate. The body is just a vessel in the case of reincarnation. You ask why would reincarnation exist. But why would it all be so random that we are here once and then die. How did we even come to exist? Population growth is explained by people having more kids (there would now be more opportunities for dead people to reincarnate as more people having kids)... before we were spirit or on earth as somebody else...
I Don’t believe myself but I don’t not believe either. I guess we’ll never know

We’ll never know. But based on logic, reason and evidence or lack thereof, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that it even might exist other than the fact that some people would like it to.

sallyanne12

The chan chan man wrote: »

We’ll never know. But based on logic, reason and evidence or lack thereof, there is absolutely nothing to suggest that it even might exist other than the fact that some people would like it to.

But a lot of people claim to have been told by spirits if you count that as evidence. Like pretty much all mediums believe in it...

joeguevara

I actually spent 5k on a reincarnation seminar. I thought to myself what the hell, you only live once.

The leader raised my hopes when she said that in my previous life it is clear I was laid every night and pulled off regularly. Then the b1tch told me i was a table cloth.

sallyanne12

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I might sound a bit odd here again, but a few years ago my parents dog died..a little Pomeranian..
~6 months later a pup the absolute head off her popped up on Facebook for sale a half hour away..as soon as he saw me he bounced over and climbed up on to my shoulder.. seemed to know the aul pairs' house too.. he's now my nieces' dog.. exact same temperament..(they're generally narky out.. this one isn't..)

I'm completely convinced it's the reincarnation of the same dog..

Well I wouldn’t be too convinced there now. The dog wouldn’t remember the house. do you remember your past houses haha

sallyanne12

sallyanne12 wrote: »

Well I wouldn’t be too convinced there now. The dog wouldn’t remember the house. do you remember your past houses haha

Honest to god.. it's uncanny.. you actually won't convince me it's not a reincarnation of the same dog..
The dog remembered the house..

sallyanne12

joeguevara wrote: »

I actually spent 5k on a reincarnation seminar. I thought to myself what the hell, you only live once.

The leader raised my hopes when she said that in my previous life it is clear I was laid every night and pulled off regularly. Then the b1tch told me i was a table cloth.

I think you were a comedian in your past life

joeguevara

sallyanne12 wrote: »

I think you were a comedian in your past life

I remember you saying that to me in the French Revolution. Still cracks me up.

You two were sickening during the French Revolution..
FFS..get a chambre..

The chan chan man

sallyanne12 wrote: »

But a lot of people claim to have been told by spirits if you count that as evidence. Like pretty much all mediums believe in it...

“If you count that as evidence”

No, i don’t.

Come on, think about it logically. Look for the reason, look for the proof. There is nothing to even suggest that this might be the case!

joeguevara

Deleted User wrote: »

You two were sickening during the French Revolution..
FFS..get a chambre..

At least we didn’t tell people to eat cake.

sallyanne12

The chan chan man wrote: »

“If you count that as evidence”

No, i don’t.

Come on, think about it logically. Look for the reason, look for the proof. There is nothing to even suggest that this might be the case!

But we are using our human brains here. This is beyond the physical so simply can’t be proven

The chan chan man

sallyanne12 wrote: »

But not everybody comes back straight away... can stay in spirit world for years before coming back

Says who??

The chan chan man

sallyanne12 wrote: »

But we are using our human brains here. This is beyond the physical so simply can’t be proven

Well I can’t argue with that I guess..

joeguevara

The chan chan man wrote: »

“If you count that as evidence”

No, i don’t.

Come on, think about it logically. Look for the reason, look for the proof. There is nothing to even suggest that this might be the case!

Logically, proof, reason when discussing past lives. When you were a Viking your nickname was bjorn again.

sallyanne12

The chan chan man wrote: »

Says who??

Accounts of people who believe in reincarnation. I googled stories

quokula

I’ve always found the concepts around reincarnation to be quite comforting.

The idea / probable reality that death is just The End scares the hell out of me if I spend too much time thinking about it. And the concept of some eternal afterlife seems absurd but also quite unappealing. No matter how great heaven is, I’d be pretty bored of it after the first billion years.

Reincarnation seems like a nice thing to believe in. Getting to live more lives after this one, with a new memory each time, is kind of a nice thought. The concept of karma layered on top is nice too.

With that said I don’t really believe it, but I can see why people would. It’s no less believable than anything else from any other religion.

joeguevara

The chan chan man wrote: »

Says who??

Says you when you convinced the pagans to build bone fires

Sardonicat

joeguevara wrote: »

At least we didn’t tell people to eat cake.

Now, don't lose the head...

joeguevara

sallyanne12 wrote: »

Accounts of people who believe in reincarnation. I googled stories

Spirits and past lives are conflicted though. The one, I don’t know what to call it but let’s say entity, I wouldn’t believe about past lives is spirits.

Some good documentaries on it https://youtu.be/Uq8l4XVfgPA

I love teaching parrots to say they are reincarnated and to be careful and then selling them to random people.

sallyanne12

quokula wrote: »

The idea / probable reality that death is just The End scares the hell out of me if I spend too much time thinking about it..

Me too quokula. I try not to think about it. But then I believe anything is possible for an afterlife. I’m more leaning towards karma and reincarnation out of all the possible options. I think it’s either that or nothing at all. I think If it exists we remember everything as spirit (All our lives) and forget when we reincarnate each time but remember while in the spirit world

sallyanne12

joeguevara wrote: »

Spirits and past lives are conflicted though..

How?

joeguevara

Sardonicat wrote: »

Now, don't lose the head...

Most people who are reincarnated have visions of exciting lives and being things like wild hogs but in reality were usually massive boars.

joeguevara

sallyanne12 wrote: »

How?

Actually I don’t know. Never heard of a spirit waiting to be reborn, no clue though.

joeguevara

Ok, i have a few thoughts. There is a difference between past lives and reincarnation. Reincarnation is the belief that what you do in this life wil determine your next. The better you are the better your next being or incarnation. Now, if i was to believe that and having a decent life compared to the majority of people on earth I,e, starving Africa, war torn, abused, tortured then I would have to assume my next life might begin again as a dung beetle.

Past lives are an interesting concept. Usually people who meet their past lives are egyptian princesses or hero warriors. Never a toilet cleaner in Rome. Why would boring old me meet such an interesting one and not a regular one.

As for spirits telling me about past lives, surely they would be more interested In becoming flesh than wasting time achieving nothing.

85603

Ipso wrote: »

How does re-incarnation explain exponential population growth? Can people come back multiple times?

its a big universe with lots of creatures at all different stages.

from what i know reincarnation was a part of christianity until the council of nicea.

plato wrote about it, the river stix, the elysian fields. there are early accounts of it in different cultures.

joeguevara

85603 wrote: »

its a big universe with lots of creatures at all different stages.

from what i know reincarnation was a part of christianity until the council of nicea.

plato wrote about it, the river stix, the elysian fields. there are early accounts of it in different cultures.

Christians believed in concept of resurrection rather than reincarnation. Without that belief Jesus resurrection was difficult to explain. As Christians believe ashes to ashes dust to dust that physical bodies would dissolve. There was a believe that all dead would resurrect at end of time to go to heaven. New Testament rejects that with concept of eternal life.

Reincarnation in Hindu and Buddhism based on karma or good is different and not solely for humans. Ranging from the worst life of a dung beetle to a royal is a nice thing to believe when you are a starving peasant but are good. Hence Buddhists constantly giving gifts and virtue to monks when they are starving themselves. Good hustle

4068ac1elhodqr

Best bet is bit of ye olde past life regression hypnotherapy.

Another curiosity is folks that get a bump on the head or something, then wake up the next day with a german accent, or worse, liverpudlian!
That would be grounds for d-i-v-o-r-c-e shirley.

Bannasidhe

joeguevara wrote: »

At least we didn’t tell people to eat cake.

Dammit. I said brioche.
BRIOCHE.

:mad:

Cupatae

sallyanne12 wrote: »

You really don’t grasp it lol. You were never him. You were always your spirit

We're floating around on a blue ball in the middle of nothing, all created of course when nothing exploded and created everything , the whole lot doesn't make sense depends on what version ur most comfortable with I guess but I wouldn't rule anything out.

85603

joeguevara wrote: »

Christians believed in concept of resurrection rather than reincarnation. Without that belief Jesus resurrection was difficult to explain. As Christians believe ashes to ashes dust to dust that physical bodies would dissolve. There was a believe that all dead would resurrect at end of time to go to heaven. New Testament rejects that with concept of eternal life.

Reincarnation in Hindu and Buddhism based on karma or good is different and not solely for humans. Ranging from the worst life of a dung beetle to a royal is a nice thing to believe when you are a starving peasant but are good. Hence Buddhists constantly giving gifts and virtue to monks when they are starving themselves. Good hustle

all they have to do is give up all money, possessions, and intimate relationships for whatever they might be offered (which also must be accepted btw).

'the sins of the father shall be visited upon the son' doesnt really make much sense until the father is taken as analogy for the prior life and the son the next reincarnation.

joeguevara

Bannasidhe wrote: »

Dammit. I said brioche.
BRIOCHE.

:mad:

Brioche and reincarnation is making a comeback

joeguevara

85603 wrote: »

all they have to do is give up all money, possessions, and intimate relationships for whatever they might be offered (which also must be accepted btw).

'the sins of the father shall be visited upon the son' doesnt really make much sense until the father is taken as analogy for the prior life and the son the next reincarnation.

Compare that to ‘Fathers shall not be put to death for their sons, nor shall sons be put to death for their fathers; everyone shall be put to death for his own sin.‘ from deutoronomy. Basically the text you quoted was a threat to be good. No verse can be taken in isolation as proof of anything. Especially a translation of original verse.