Covid19 Part XIX-25,802 in ROI (1,753 deaths) 5,859 in NI (556 deaths) (21/07)Read OP

Drumpot

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112643974&postcount=922

I think the best course of action is plan for it spreading and how we are going to address food shortages etc, if we arent going to take any meaningful action to prevent the spread.

It looks like there is no way of stopping this, just slowing it down. Thats what I take from WHO's message. So the common sense approach would be to start setting up the infrastructure (including communication) that you are going to set up.

In that WHO conference he was talking about "War" and in time of War you move resources to priority areas. So prepare for the disease and how you plan on getting it under control. Include in that process of making sure that people can self isolate ( and get food/etc) and preferably get back to work or normal life within a few weeks.

Apparantly "The data that we have suggests that there is not this massive Asymptomatic transmission" . . "But remember we have only known this disease for 7 weeks".

Asked why he is not wearing a mask "I dont have Covis19 and I never had any exposure, no contact with patients or contacts, we washed our hands every few seconds, he wore masks when we were there". "We had our meals in our own closed rooms. If we went to the CDC, they had one person at a table and you had to shout at each other." In short they kept 2 metres apart distance . . Very Interesting to listen to. "Because I was going out through Beijing, when I got off the train, I had a swab and it was negative". " It comes back to a science and evidence based approach to what we are doing". "I am not going to put a mask between me and people here if I dont think there is a risk"

"Only 4% of Covid19 cases have a runny nose"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XF6AZv8P3i4

In fairness, hes answering all questions, really worth listening to anybody who wants to here some informed information.

I might watch that interview again as it was brilliant. But this is stuff anybody can read or listen to, why can’t our authorities do better and communicate better when they’ve had months to try and think longer term? Implementing things can be hard but communication is something you can manage, even if you can’t do everything you want now.

Back then I was watching informed people give informed information and our authories/government didn’t listen. It feels like it’s sort of happening again. You can have a strategy to reopen while communicating other things. The App and masks are only a start but they need to better communicate even why these are being done.

For all FGs faults, they did a much better job from a communication POV. I thought LVs talks at time’s where great. I thought having Tony as the face of communication was great and don’t feel Leo over did it with the conferences. Thought Harris was equally great when he stepped up to the plate. The trifecta communication worked really well.

I’m sorry but I’ve seen nothing from our new government yet. Could Harris not of maintained his role? Was it that important to change to Donnelly? Why was he changed? Seems like jobs for the boys was the back to norm strategy with FF, no thought of what’s good for the country.

Either way, they better get their act together , they get an F so far.

ACitizenErased

Heard just now that nearly every testing centre in Cork besides one in Ballincollig have been stood down for lack of demand

Santy2015

Yeah I’d believe it. I drove past mallow nearly every day and not a sinner at the racecourse

niallo27

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Ryanair have been abundantly clear

They DO NOT CARE about your health or public health.

The ONE THING they do care about is money

Speaking to people lately they say they have long memories and will not forget Ryanair’s complete and utter recklessness

haughty hectoring bullying - a “we know best don’t answer back” attitude

I’d go so far as to say they’ve been despicable

People won't care, when this is all over they will still fly to alicante or lanzarote by the cheapest means. Why are they so reckless, if people don't want to fly they shouldn't fly.

Drumpot

I will finish up now but just find it fascinating reading back:

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112644304&postcount=962

Have china extreme decisions helped stop spread ?

"Folks, time is everything in this disease. You can see the exponential growth. Days make a difference with a disease like this".

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112644366&postcount=971

To what extent should other countries follow chinas approach?

"It was striking how organized and regimented use of TCM treatment. Physicians think the anti inflammatory of it helps. Observational data so not possible to make a judgement. Taking TCM actually helped with alot of the anxiety surrounding the disease" (I Dont understand this)

" It was a re purpose of the machinery of government as a response. What I saw in China, they had a task force, things had to get done. You have to define what part of society is doing what. Everybody in a society has to be involved."

"Can it be replicated elsewhere ? There is a disease spreading, people are concerned about it, there is evidecnce that countries can be masters of how it effects them. China didnt sit down. Other countries have to get ready. China did it , why cant other countries ? (paraphrased last bit)

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112644433&postcount=976

Lots of talk of psychological support for those who were sick and quarantined. This was as important a part of the solution as anything." " That sense of helplessness in a face of virus, science is incredible, we have seen a country take a war footbing in the absence of vaccine but its not going to work if a society is not highly sensitised to it. The average time from onset to when it breaks out is 15 days. You have to cut that right down, in China they have cut it down to 3 days, thats why the cases are dropping fast. They are choking off the virus ability to find susceptitles. Peopel want to know what is this thing. IS there anything we can do about this ? I have a family. The day you think you are ready you are not ready. YOu never feel completely ready. Countries have to prepare their population"

Folks, this is a superb Press conference. He is not from WHO.

If you really want to get some credible first hand information and not be arguing with people you disagree with in here, watch this. He is not speaking for WHO and he is actually going to brief WHO tomorrow.

This feels like a very informed update from somebody who knows what they are talking about. While the Chinese could easily of kept certain things from him, but this is as informed a feedback you are gonna get right now.

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=112644477&postcount=984

“We have escalating outbreaks in industrialized countries. You have got to try and respond"

"4 big observations about China
- Strategy
- Impact it had
- Next steps
- Collaboration (get ready and buy more time)


"This is not SARS or FLU, dont get stuck thinking one thing or another"

"We are not using the time well"

"These are the things that are going to help. USe the time well. Get ready. Do the right studies."

Final message "GET PREPARED. USE THE TIME WELL"

If most countries had listened to him, things wouldn’t of been so bad.

Now we need to listen to him to make sure we don’t make the same mistakes.

ACitizenErased

Santy2015 wrote: »

Yeah I’d believe it. I drove past mallow nearly every day and not a sinner at the racecourse

Lines up with what people are saying on twitter from a cork perspective

Scuid Mhór

Can't help but feel we are hurtling towards a second wave and when we look back on this a year from now, we will rue the day we were so close to eradicating it only to let all of the dominos fall after one another in sequence. Why are we rushing back to open the economy, why are we letting so many tourists come in, why is everyone so desperate to socialise with one another in large groups? We are so close, we've made so much progress, so many people have suffered and died for us to get to this point and now that we can trump the virus in a couple of weeks or months with concerted effort, it looks like we are just giving up and returning to our default state. How can anyone not despair at how ridiculous this is?

ACitizenErased

Scuid Mhór wrote: »

Can't help but feel we are hurtling towards a second wave and when we look back on this a year from now, we will rue the day we were so close to eradicating it only to let all of the dominos fall after one another in sequence. Why are we rushing back to open the economy, why are we letting so many tourists come in, why is everyone so desperate to socialise with one another in large groups? We are so close, we've made so much progress, so many people have suffered and died for us to get to this point and now that we can trump the virus in a couple of weeks or months with concerted effort, it looks like we are just giving up and returning to our default state. How can anyone not despair at how ridiculous this is?

How are we hurtling towards a second wave? We live in Europe, eradication isn’t even close to being a possibility.

murphthesmurf

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sorry now but this isn’t just about personal responsibility. That won’t sort this. Don’t you get this? It’s basic

Coming from my circumstances with vulnerable family members and friends, we want Ryanair to cease operations until this is under control

If you have vulnerable family members then they need to be protected appropriately, mean while the rest of us should be allowed to carry on with our lives. It is not the responsibility of everyone else and businesses to do this in my opinion.
Covid is here to stay, it's not going anywhere. We could carry on these measures for another year and then in one year and one day it will start spreading again.
Living our lives in hope that a vaccine might be just around the corner is no good. It's like me not bothering going to work because I might win the lottery.
I find it ironic that to go into a supermarket to buy from their selection of chocolate, crisps, fizzy drinks, biscuits, processed foods, cakes etc I have to wear a face covering to protect me from Covid when 10,000 people a year die from heart disease and however many from cancer.
Covid is not as bad as we thought it was going to be, but no-one seems to want to admit they were wrong.
In New York 25% of people who were listed as victims of Covid were never tested. Colorado investigated it's figures to find out how many died "with" Covid and how many died "from" Covid. Again the numbers dropped by 25%. The average age of death in US from Covid is older than the average age of death as a whole. I don't know the figures here, but I'd be amazed if they arent at least as far off, probably more so.

wadacrack

ACitizenErased wrote: »

How are we hurtling towards a second wave? We live in Europe, eradication isn’t even close to being a possibility.

https://twitter.com/devisridhar/status/1284425163258421248

bodhrandude

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

None of those patients would be anywhere near the surgery.

Hey dudes have you heard of these things called phones?

Cork29

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Heard just now that nearly every testing centre in Cork besides one in Ballincollig have been stood down for lack of demand

100 percent not true

Icantthinkof1

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Heard just now that nearly every testing centre in Cork besides one in Ballincollig have been stood down for lack of demand

Is the testing centre in Páirc Uí Chaoimh closing or is that staying open along with Ballincollig? Wonder why they’re keeping Ballincollig testing centre open out of all the other areas?

ACitizenErased

Cork29 wrote: »

100 percent not true

I’ve heard it from a direct HSE source, which part of it isnt true?

ACitizenErased

Icantthinkof1 wrote: »

Is the testing centre in Páirc Uí Chaoimh closing or is that staying open along with Ballincollig? Wonder why they’re keeping Ballincollig testing centre open out of all the other areas?

Pairc ui chaoimh is closed, ive heard ballincollig mentioned but there may be more in the west or east

YellowBucket

There’s one on the grounds of the Bons Secours hospital on the Western Road side, just behind the Cork Clinic.

Being stood down doesn’t mean shut down and scrapped. I assume the facilities are easily reactivated if demand goes up.

There’s not much point in having nurses standing in portacabins doing nothing, but we may well need to be able to ramp back up again at short notice.

schmoo2k

s1ippy wrote: »

There are 2500 GPS in the country, the fact that one in the capital has 12 people with this issue is worrying, especially when you look at somewhere like France and the testing issues and delays they now have because it's spreading faster than they can contain it.

This is just not true.

schmoo2k

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’ve heard it from a direct HSE source, which part of it isnt true?

The one on western road was open last time I walked by it. Its been quiet for sure, but open.

Strumms

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Ryanair have been abundantly clear

They DO NOT CARE about your health or public health.

The ONE THING they do care about is money

Speaking to people lately they say they have long memories and will not forget Ryanair’s complete and utter recklessness

haughty hectoring bullying - a “we know best don’t answer back” attitude

I’d go so far as to say they’ve been despicable

I’m done flying them and so is my family and most friends... I won’t have any second thoughts about giving my cash to the opposition...now, might cost me a bit extra from time to time but happy in the knowledge I’m not enabling a total **** whom is happy to put the health, welfare of his airline first and the health, wealth and wellbeing of the state and its people second...

The same opinion is shared by everyone I’ve spoken to. My parents travel a few times a year and while never have been Ryanair fans, (being elderly the ultra long walks to the gates and out on the tarmac can take it out of them) if the price difference is very significant they’d have given them the business though ie. trip this year before lockdown reasonably short notice and couldn’t justify the Aer Lingus prices... now they are “nope, Aer Lingus all the way”... I’m in this camp too... Ryanair can swing for it...

B.A._Baracus

Was looking at a video about Hong Kong and its third wave. They reported 170+ cases over a 6/7 day period in early July. Surely we are near that too with the likes of 34 cases the other day?

ACitizenErased

That doctor fella on twitter is being debunked by other GPs.

https://twitter.com/gpbuddy/status/1284447972495888386?s=21

https://twitter.com/gpbuddy/status/1284448439661735941?s=21

https://twitter.com/drmarkmurphy/status/1284448415708073985?s=21

Cork29

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I’ve heard it from a direct HSE source, which part of it isnt true?

Glanmire was hopping yesterday

Bubbaclaus

bodhrandude wrote: »

Hey dudes have you heard of these things called phones?

Is this directed at me? I think you have misunderstood, because that is the point I was making.

timsey tiger

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That doctor fella on twitter is being debunked by other GPs.

https://twitter.com/gpbuddy/status/1284447972495888386?s=21

https://twitter.com/drmarkmurphy/status/1284448415708073985?s=21

Comparison is not the correct one. How are we doing now vs late Feburary and how likely is end of August likely to turn into a late March if we don't do additional mitigation.

For all the reactionary d**ks out there, I've not said how likely I think it will be, I don't know.

Drumpot

B.A._Baracus wrote: »

Was looking at a video about Hong Kong and its third wave. They reported 170+ cases over a 6/7 day period in early July. Surely we are near that too with the likes of 34 cases the other day?

Without context to why they are suffering a surge , what happened in Hong Kong won’t necessarily suffer the same fate.

In terms of the phrase “wave” it Seems like there is going To be waves on our infection data as infections go up and down.

I think most people imagine a second wave as a huge surge in numbers that will crash over all of us. I prefer “significant surge” as it seems like you can really only call something a wave of significance after the event or when it’s reached a significant point comparable with your first encounter/surge.

NegativeCreep

I don’t understand everyone hating Ryanair for continuing flights? We’re legally allowed fly and go anywhere we want on holidays. Why would Ryanair turn down that money? If you don’t want to fly that’s grand but other people do and that’s their business too.

bodhrandude

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Is this directed at me? I think you have misunderstood, because that is the point I was making.

Maybe I did misunderstand, but folks don't go to the gp if they suspect they have c19 they tell the app or phone the gp who refers them to the testers, so perhaps it was directed to the first poster you were replying to, apologies.

Drumpot

murphthesmurf wrote: »

If you have vulnerable family members then they need to be protected appropriately, mean while the rest of us should be allowed to carry on with our lives. It is not the responsibility of everyone else and businesses to do this in my opinion.
Covid is here to stay, it's not going anywhere. We could carry on these measures for another year and then in one year and one day it will start spreading again.
Living our lives in hope that a vaccine might be just around the corner is no good. It's like me not bothering going to work because I might win the lottery.
I find it ironic that to go into a supermarket to buy from their selection of chocolate, crisps, fizzy drinks, biscuits, processed foods, cakes etc I have to wear a face covering to protect me from Covid when 10,000 people a year die from heart disease and however many from cancer.
Covid is not as bad as we thought it was going to be, but no-one seems to want to admit they were wrong.
In New York 25% of people who were listed as victims of Covid were never tested. Colorado investigated it's figures to find out how many died "with" Covid and how many died "from" Covid. Again the numbers dropped by 25%. The average age of death in US from Covid is older than the average age of death as a whole. I don't know the figures here, but I'd be amazed if they arent at least as far off, probably more so.

Couple of issues with this post.

There is nothing definitive on the lethality of COVID or the long term issues that come with it. Different countries appear to be getting different results , including how many people who died of COVID and separating out those who died with COVID but not because of it.

It’s worse because most people do not have any immunity from it so more people will get sick in a short period of time. Until there is significant heard immunity (if there ever is) and we have more definite information, it’s prudent to treat this more aggressively and with more caution.

That’s a terrible example in terms of supermarket. If you get heart disease or cancer because what you eat, you don’t pass it onto other people. If you get COvId because you won’t wear a mask you do pass it on.

It’s remarkable how averse people are to mask wearing purely a cultural inconvenience issue.

Renjit

ACitizenErased wrote: »

That doctor fella on twitter is being debunked by other GPs.

https://twitter.com/gpbuddy/status/1284447972495888386?s=21

https://twitter.com/gpbuddy/status/1284448439661735941?s=21

https://twitter.com/drmarkmurphy/status/1284448415708073985?s=21

⬆️

road_high

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Sorry now but this isn’t just about personal responsibility. That won’t sort this. Don’t you get this? It’s basic

Coming from my circumstances with vulnerable family members and friends, we want Ryanair to cease operations until this is under control

No you don’t get it. If you’re that bothered about vulnerable family then you stay away from them or you completely isolate yourself alongside them. If you’re that worried about them you’d be doing that anyway. Like I say people don’t get personal responsibility Or indeed want to - it’s not up to others to do it for you