The National Party

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Congratulation they got one. There are a backlog of about 4500 cases seeking treatment, last time I checked it must be more than that now.
I have never heard of bleach being used to cure autism or anyone being prosecuted for it.

Really you can list a few conspiracy theories you believe in, but never heard of people using bleach to try and cure autism?

What's that smell, is it horses, sheep, cows?

skooterblue2

DubInMeath wrote: »

Really you can list a few conspiracy theories you believe in, but never heard of people using bleach to try and cure autism?

What's that smell, is it horses, sheep, cows?

No never heard it.
Dont get the animal reference ....
Just read about it and being paired with GcMAF, very interesting.
I am guessing you believe everything they tell you in mainstream media? Still looking for WMD in Iraq?

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

No never heard it.
Dont get the animal reference ....
Just read about it and being paired with GcMAF, very interesting.
I am guessing you believe everything they tell you in mainstream media? Still looking for WMD in Iraq?

Got to love the predictability.

ancapailldorcha

So when questioned about the National Party, its defenders employ all sorts of whataboutery. Wonder why they don't get elected.

Dyr

Deleted User wrote: »

FGM is illegal in Ireland, we had our first conviction in relation to it earlier in the year. I favour prosecuting such crimes. We also have Irish people who give their kids bleach to 'cure' autism, people doing senseless things to children isn't something unique to immigrants.

Is having kids drink bleach culturally accepatable in Ireland?

There's your false equivalnce right there.

Gregor Samsa

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Can you not see how the points are lining up for it? Odhinn cannot and he wouldnt know how to react to the news. My poor sister in law, doesnt even recognise the current recession, much less how to prepare for it. I am usually right within two weeks on previous prediction. I was predicting the stock crash in March for 18 months before hand. I was about 2 weeks early on that.

Fair play, you must have made an absolute fortune being able to accurately predict the state of the stock market 18 months out.

Extra kudos for predicting a crash largely caused by a disease that didn’t even exist at the time.

Bambi

Bambi wrote: »

Is having kids drink bleach culturally accepatable in Ireland?

There's your false equivalnce right there.

But FGM is not culturally acceptable and has not become so. It will result in further prosecutions and that will ultimately act as a disincentive. Also children who might have faced it in their home countries may not face it here. There's no reputable organisation that campaigns against FGM solution as banning people from those regions.

You can argue that there are certain groups in Ireland that would view it as acceptable but the very same can be said of the bleach 'cure'.

Gregor Samsa

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Stock markets are to best of my knowledge still rising/relatively stable


This isnt normal or cant continue,they should if everything worked right,be in freefall and taking out pension funds with them??

This maddness cant continue

There’s a big difference between saying that the current situation can’t last forever, and specifically predicting that there will be a crash comparable to 1929 in the second week of November. If you have skooterblue2‘a skills, insight and most importantly precision, you can make serious money.

Ash.J.Williams

coinop wrote: »

Let's have a thread about Ireland rather than America for a change. Founded in November 2016, the National Party was founded by Justin Barrett and his old friend James Reynolds. The two men had been involved in pro-life activism as teenagers and Barrett got a taste of the media spotlight during his No campaign to the Nice Treaty referendum in the early 2000s.

The National Party revolves around 9 core principles which makes it unique among Irish political parties in that it is ideologically based rather than following the populist trend of the day. The main points of NP ideology are: support for a 32 county Ireland, against mass immigration and against abortion.

The NP tested the waters by running candidates in the 2020 general election but none of their candidates were elected with only a few hundred votes each. The party blamed the media's determination to ignore them for their poor performance with most voters claiming to have never heard of the NP. Newspapers had incorrectly listed NP candidates as Independents if they even listed them at all. It seemed like there was a concerted effort by the mainstream media to pretend the NP did not exist and hope that they would fade away.

That all changed last night with RTE's hatchet job on Justin Barrett and the Nationalist movement in Ireland. RTE have realised that the NP are not going away so have decided they must take Barrett down. The public discovered the NP after the last general election and now the cat is out of the bag. They will build upon their name recognition for a more successful election run next time around. How do the esteemed posters of Boards feel about the NP?

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

F**k the national party, that’s about all I have to say.

skooterblue2

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Fair play, you must have made an absolute fortune being able to accurately predict the state of the stock market 18 months out.

Extra kudos for predicting a crash largely caused by a disease that didn’t even exist at the time.

You think the Virus caused the crash? You dont think it had anything to do with unregulated debt that was due to be paid back. You dont know Italian banks are over leveraged? Germans issued a 0% 30 year equity bond this year? Carry on like its 2006 all over again. Might never happen

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You think the Virus caused the crash? You dont think it had anything to do with unregulated debt that was due to be paid back. You dont know Italian banks are over leveraged? Germans issued a 0% 30 year equity bond this year? Carry on like its 2006 all over again. Might never happen

You might get back to me on this
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113867380&postcount=175

tipptom

OP seems to just be a cheerleader for the NP but one thing is for sure they will never get a fair hearing in the Irish media even if it is just to make fools of themselves simply because they are not FF/FG.

There is no media in ireland except to cheerlead FF and FG.

They have subverted elections in ireland and there is no doubt that they played a massive part in getting FF over the line in this election to get them in the unbelievable position that the most corrupt part in the history of this state is back in power, its leader who was one of the architects of making this country a world wide laughing stopck of corruption and is now taosaigh from 11 per cent in the polls.

If a country does not have a fully functioning and fair fouth estate then it does not have a fuctioning democracy.

The Nal

Their results in the election were a total embarrassment. Humiliated. Justin Barrett is 50, has been involved in politics for his entire life and hasn't made a dent. He's a loser. They should be called The National Laughing Stock.

Annasopra

The Nal wrote: »

Their results in the election were a total embarrassment. Humiliated. Justin Barrett is 50, has been involved in politics for his entire life and hasn't made a dent. He's a loser. They should be called The National Laughing Stock.

He's a fascist. Well documented.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/far-right-rally-had-welcome-for-irish-no-activist-1.1098691

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/youth-defence-unrepentant-as-eight-convicted-26153253.html

https://www.thepensivequill.com/2019/09/justin-barrett-hates-democracy.html

https://spotlightontheright.wordpress.com/2016/10/05/no-2-justin-barrett-michael-quinn/

https://twitter.com/soundmigration/status/1219970193188847616

Tokyo

Mod: Bunch of inane drivel deleted.

@skooterblue2, @MontgomeryClift - take 48 hours away from the thread and learn how to post somewhere approximating an actual discussion

NovemberWren

tipptom wrote: »

OP seems to just be a cheerleader for the NP but one thing is for sure they will never get a fair hearing in the Irish media even if it is just to make fools of themselves simply because they are not FF/FG.

There is no media in ireland except to cheerlead FF and FG.

They have subverted elections in ireland and there is no doubt that they played a massive part in getting FF over the line in this election to get them in the unbelievable position that the most corrupt part in the history of this state is back in power, its leader who was one of the architects of making this country a world wide laughing stopck of corruption and is now taosaigh from 11 per cent in the polls.

If a country does not have a fully functioning and fair fouth estate then it does not have a fuctioning democracy.

not sure what the fourth estate represents, but James Reynolds in the Nat.Party sounds really good; and he spoke about approaching the way the state hopes that people themselves will do good; he seemed to adhere to the very beginnings of European finance (even back to 1700's?). [I cannot quite remember now but maybe he was referencing when that Scottish person ran the French bank, saying really, i.e. the many differences of opinion in France previous to the concept of 'public' and 'republic'.
I kinda' reckon that the National Party, is more 'fundamentalist' than 'fascist' ?

Ash.J.Williams

NovemberWren wrote: »

not sure what the fourth estate represents, but James Reynolds in the Nat.Party sounds really good; and he spoke about approaching the way the state hopes that people themselves will do good; he seemed to adhere to the very beginnings of European finance (even back to 1700's?). [I cannot quite remember now but maybe he was referencing when that Scottish person ran the French bank, saying really, i.e. the many differences of opinion in France previous to the concept of 'public' and 'republic'.
I kinda' reckon that the National Party, is more 'fundamentalist' than 'fascist' ?

ideals from the the 1700's awesome

nofiller69

LOL

Just reading this thread really highlights the type of people NP attracts. Can you imagine some chap in real life ranting to you about the fall of Rome and why its 100% totally applicable to Ireland because nobody goes to church anymore?

This is a recurring pattern. Anyone who supports the National **** are mentally ill and detached from reality. No exceptions.

Mayorga

Mayorga wrote: »

lol at Mark Malone being put forward as some kind of source.

No vested interests there at all.

Another ngo swine bleeding us dry. I reckon he checks under his bed at night for fascists.

Eh, he included video footage where Barrett argued for the death penalty for doctors who give abortions... Barrett has said it multiple times. It's not craftily manipulated videos.

Dyr

Barretts a wall eyed loon, I think most people know that.

weldoninhio

tipptom wrote: »

OP seems to just be a cheerleader for the NP but one thing is for sure they will never get a fair hearing in the Irish media even if it is just to make fools of themselves simply because they are not FF/FG.

There is no media in ireland except to cheerlead FF and FG.

They have subverted elections in ireland and there is no doubt that they played a massive part in getting FF over the line in this election to get them in the unbelievable position that the most corrupt part in the history of this state is back in power, its leader who was one of the architects of making this country a world wide laughing stopck of corruption and is now taosaigh from 11 per cent in the polls.

If a country does not have a fully functioning and fair fouth estate then it does not have a fuctioning democracy.

100%, doesnt' have to be the National Party. You could have a centerist, pro-choice, pro-law and order, anti-fake migrant, Irish party, which is what we need, and the media would absolutely ignore it and not give it the time of day.

The Nal

weldoninhio wrote: »

100%, doesnt' have to be the National Party. You could have a centerist, pro-choice, pro-law and order, anti-fake migrant, Irish party, which is what we need, and the media would absolutely ignore it and not give it the time of day.

This isn't true. In the 80s the PDs got a real fair crack of the whip and did very well for a time.

Renua were given a platform from day one and were on the Late Late. Loads of media time. Too much I thought for a new party.

Other parties, when set up correctly, are given exposure.

The reason the National Party aren't taken seriously or given any air time is because they're an amateur set up, their leader used to pal about with Nazis (real Nazis) hang around with crazies Gemma O'Doherty and they are basically anti everything. We're past that as a country and despite what they want to happen, we're never going back.

Their performance in the last election doesn't warrant anymore time than the afterthought filler piece they got on RTE a few weeks back.

weldoninhio

The Nal wrote: »

This isn't true. In the 80s the PDs got a real fair crack of the whip and did very well for a time.

Renua were given a platform from day one and were on the Late Late. Loads of media time. Too much I thought for a new party.

Other parties, when set up correctly, are given exposure.

The reason the National Party aren't taken seriously or given any air time is because they're an amateur set up, their leader used to pal about with Nazis (real Nazis) hang around with crazies Gemma O'Doherty and they are basically anti everything. We're past that as a country and despite what they want to happen, we're never going back.

Their performance in the last election doesn't warrant anymore time than the afterthought filler piece they got on RTE a few weeks back.

Renua had bat-**** crazy religious policies. I've no idea why there isn't a centrist Irish party, pro-choice, pro-law and order, pro-infrastructure, pro-fair taxation party in Ireland. They'd clean up. Defund the NGO's. Have Irish working people working towards Irish projects. Not giving billions out of the country year on year.

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

Renua had bat-**** crazy religious policies. I've no idea why there isn't a centrist Irish party, pro-choice, pro-law and order, pro-infrastructure, pro-fair taxation party in Ireland. They'd clean up. Defund the NGO's. Have Irish working people working towards Irish projects. Not giving billions out of the country year on year.

"Irish people towards Irish projects", ya that wouldn't clean up... Basically you've described a party that's centrist party until you get to lines like "Pro law and order" which is not a centrist position. The defund ngos line is like something from Viktor Orban who is far from a moderate candidate. So claiming such a party is centrist isn't realistic, some policies might be centrist but then other simply swing the party to the far right.

jmayo

Deleted User wrote: »

"Irish people towards Irish projects", ya that wouldn't clean up... Basically you've described a party that's centrist party until you get to lines like "Pro law and order" which is not a centrist position. The defund ngos line is like something from Viktor Orban who is far from a moderate candidate. So claiming such a party is centrist isn't realistic, some policies might be centrist but then other simply swing the party to the far right.

I didn't know defunding NGOs was a far right tenant?
Is asking how taxpayer funds are given to organisations with no real public accountability now a right wing philosophy ?

You do know that NGOs and charities in Ireland have proven to be a great way for some to earn a very good standard of living.
In other words for every euro that goes to helping the people they are meant to help more euros goes to the ones running the operation.

Oh and why do we need so many NGOs ?
It is not as if our state spends nothing on public services.

And is Law and Order now a right wing thing.
Perhaps we should tell all those socialist states that clamp down on protestors, hell even criminals is just a right wing thing.

jmayo

jmayo wrote: »

I didn't know defunding NGOs was a far right tenant?
Is asking how taxpayer funds are given to organisations with no real public accountability now a right wing philosophy ?

You do know that NGOs and charities in Ireland have proven to be a great way for some to earn a very good standard of living.
In other words for every euro that goes to helping the people they are meant to help more euros goes to the ones running the operation.

Oh and why do we need so many NGOs ?
It is not as if our state spends nothing on public services.

And is Law and Order now a right wing thing.
Perhaps we should tell all those socialist states that clamp down on protestors, hell even criminals is just a right wing thing.

Targeting of NGOs when firstly they actually provide services in Ireland that the state fails to. Eg mental health services, homeless charities Also the conspiracies around Soros etc tend to be targeted at ngos.

Law and order does tend to be a right wing line, when that line is expounded it tends to be around more authoritarianism, harsher prison sentences, less focus on rehabilitation and more on sending people to prison for the wrong reasons. Zero tolerance policies etc. Expand on what you mean by it if isn't like what I described.

Annasopra

Mayorga wrote: »

lol at Mark Malone being put forward as some kind of source.

No vested interests there at all.

Another ngo swine bleeding us dry. I reckon he checks under his bed at night for fascists.

Mark Malone wasn't the source. Justin Barrett was. It's Justin Barretts words.

weldoninhio

[Deleted User] wrote: »

"Irish people towards Irish projects", ya that wouldn't clean up... Basically you've described a party that's centrist party until you get to lines like "Pro law and order" which is not a centrist position. The defund ngos line is like something from Viktor Orban who is far from a moderate candidate. So claiming such a party is centrist isn't realistic, some policies might be centrist but then other simply swing the party to the far right.

Pro law and order isn’t centrist? It’s far right according to you? I must have missed all the loony lefties campaigning for more crime. We have an absolutely ridiculous amount of NGOs for a tiny country. Multiple, multiple overlaps. Literally sucking money out of the country. I believe the average worker would prefer their money (5.5 billion) going towards things that would improve their lives and are seen to be doing that, like childcare, mental health services, public housing. I know I would.

Annasopra

weldoninhio wrote: »

Pro law and order isn’t centrist? It’s far right according to you? I must have missed all the loony lefties campaigning for more crime. We have an absolutely ridiculous amount of NGOs for a tiny country. Multiple, multiple overlaps. Literally sucking money out of the country. I believe the average worker would prefer their money (5.5 billion) going towards things that would improve their lives and are seen to be doing that, like childcare, mental health services, public housing. I know I would.

You do realise a lot of NGOs provide childcare, mental health services, housing...

jmayo

Deleted User wrote: »

Targeting of NGOs when firstly they actually provide services in Ireland that the state fails to. Eg mental health services, homeless charities Also the conspiracies around Soros etc tend to be targeted at ngos.

Yes some do provide services, but at what cost.
And speaking of mental health services do you remember Console ???

Yes there are some very good organisations, but there are also a heck of a lot of ones just really jobs for the boys and girls.

Ireland's exchequer spends 5.5 billion on NGOs.
There are something like 19,500 NGOs registered in Ireland.
Taking a population of roughly 4.9 million, that is an NGO for every 250 people.
It is a fooking joke and only someone involved in the "industry" would think there is nothing wrong with it.

No wonder the lady at the UN laughed at us.
Anyone with an ounce of cop on would see the fooking sham.

in 2017, Dóchas the organisation that represents 60 (yes fooking 60) NGOs that are involved in overseas development, wanted the government to up spending on overseas development aid from €723.7 million (even though originally committed to 2016 commitment of €641 million) by another €128 million.

Are you freaking telling me we need all these NGOs sucking at the teat of the taxpayer, providing absolutely no service in return to the citizens of this state ??

There is now a raft NGOs springing up now representing the rights of immigrants.
Oh and it's isn't just any immigrants, it is the ones who don't come here as legal visa applicants.

Deleted User wrote: »

Law and order does tend to be a right wing line, when that line is expounded it tends to be around more authoritarianism, harsher prison sentences, less focus on rehabilitation and more on sending people to prison for the wrong reasons. Zero tolerance policies etc. Expand on what you mean by it if isn't like what I described.

So what is wrong with harsher prison sentences for major crimes.
I can point to numerous murders carried out by people that should never ever be released from prison, should never have been given bail or out on remand.
Why should gerard barry get out after his life sentence for raping and murdering Manuela Reido ?

Why is mickey "the monster" murphy allowed out of prison, even on visits, after raping and murdering two women over a space of twenty years ?

Why should the triple murderer Hennessy just have to serve one life sentence which is really about 18 years even though he murdered 2 children and their mother after raping her?


How many court reports do we hear about the long lifelong list of convictions and yet here we are on the merry-go-round called out justice system.

What are the wrong reasons people are being sent to jail ?

How much has our population grown over the last 40 years, how many schools have we added, how many hospitals have we added or revamped, how many sports clubs have we created, how many shopping centres have we created and then compare how many new prisons we have built.

And then look at how many killings we have in comparison to 40 years ago.