The National Party

larva

larva wrote: »

Ive never heard of the NP until reading this thread! Their website makes for some interesting reading. Not sure they are anything like UKIP. How impossibly hard it must be being a new party and trying to reach the electorate who are so ingrained with our current political institutions. Good luck to them

Well the social democrats were established in 2015 and got 6 seats in the last election.

Harder if your just trying to attract arseholes and using a party for your own agenda and don't stand perhaps?

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

If you remove the first 2 points its just a SF campaign ad also, very close to the NP in a lot of ways

As much as I dislike them I haven't heard the leadership of SF say that they want to establish a Catholic dictatorship

Eric Cartman

DubInMeath wrote: »

As much as I dislike them I haven't heard the leadership of SF say that they want to establish a Catholic dictatorship

The national party are just as interested in what youd refer to as a ‘catholic dictatorship’ as SFIRA are up north

Wanderer78

coinop wrote:

How do the esteemed posters of Boards feel about the NP?

Who?

Jedward are a bigger political party than this lot.

Fred Cryton

There's definitely room for a party in Ireland which is against ILLEGAL immigration, and especially bogus asylum seekers who are clearly third world economic migrants. Law and Order should be the slant they take. Many would be in agreement that a Nigerian pretending to be an asylum seeker should not be getting public housing ahead of a young Irish couple. This is sensible.

But when you start going down the path of ethnic purity and having a go at all immigrants, such as Italians and French working in our Tech sector for example, this is where it gets laughably stupid.

Pedro K

sydthebeat wrote: »

The policies of Gemma O Doherty, the vile evil racist, have been readily rejected and rebuffed at the national and presidential elections.

The same will be applied to the extreme far right fascist Justin barrett

Give her the credit she deserves.... She also failed at European elections.

Geuze

Fred Cryton wrote: »

There's definitely room for a party in Ireland which is against ILLEGAL immigration, and especially bogus asylum seekers who are clearly third world economic migrants. Law and Order should be the slant they take. Many would be in agreement that a Nigerian pretending to be an asylum seeker should not be getting public housing ahead of a young Irish couple. This is sensible.

But when you start going down the path of ethnic purity and having a go at all immigrants, such as Italians and French working in our Tech sector for example, this is where it gets laughably stupid.

Correct.

Nobody sensible is against EU migration.

We are all against bogus AS.

Many would agree with severe restrictions on non-EU immigration.

JohnnyFlash

Justin Barrett is a very angry man. I’d say he’s extremely inadequate in a few departments.

paw patrol

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The national party would do better if they dropped barret and the ‘no to abortion’ shtick.

Theres space for a party in the ‘against mass immigration’ space and some of their other principals , but adding in the anti abortion part sours it.

i kinda agree,.


I like the national party in what they stand for but I think there is a space for a pro-life party within Ireland. They should find a common ground with Renua and start of as that small right wing party.



But they fall down on having Barrett as the lead man , he just isn't polished enough. He engages in "street" politics and petty squabbles on twitter,
They are hugely amusing at times but they are the domain of the party rabble/faithful not of the leader.

Barretts operates (or is dragged down to operate) at the level of the left wing socialist like paul murphy. That shtick is taken by the left.




A more charismatic person as the front man would do them the world of good

osarusan

The continued absense of a conservative party with middle of the road consevative policies on immigration, tax, social welfare reform, and other bread and butter conservative issues makes me wonder how much appetite there actually is for one.

The PDs were the only ones that made any headway, and they never really brought through a second generation of politicians to maintain their impressive debut. Renua got nowhere at all.

Instead there are a few parties, usually short-lived, which, even if they have one or two policies that might have widespread appeal, are mixed in with some utter crackpot nonsense that immediately turns off 99% of the electorate. The National Party is just that. They are nowhere near the mainstream and never will be.

Kiith

Their 9 core principles are typical right wing bull****. Basically, immigrants are bad, Ireland for the Irish, the EU is bad, kill all criminals, ban a womans right to choose, everyone who doesn't agree with us is a Socialist/Marxist etc...

They can **** right off imo.

paw patrol

osarusan wrote: »

The PDs were the only ones that made any headway, and they never really brought through a second generation of politicians to maintain their impressive debut. Renua got nowhere at all.

Renua was v badly set-up.
People like Eddie Hobbs were in it for their ego. He thought he could be a better george lee. when that didn't work out he fcuked off.
Same with Creighton - after a set-back they all fcuked off. They had over inflated egos that they were the new PDs. ?

Also there is a point to be made that irish people are idiots - how many people moan about high taxes and government waste.
yet vote the same fcuks everytime now with added Greens who never met a tax they didn't like:pac:

Here we had a party that promised drastic tax cuts and more money in your pocket but that wasn't as sexy as the man who fixed the road and shook your hand at your uncles funeral

paw patrol

Kiith wrote: »

Their 9 core principles are typical right wing bull****. Basically, immigrants are bad, Ireland for the Irish, the EU is bad, kill all criminals, ban a womans right to choose, everyone who doesn't agree with us is a Socialist/Marxist etc...

They can **** right off imo.

you sound like a marxist

Gregor Samsa

coinop wrote: »

There has traditionally been no ideological basis in Irish politics due to the two main parties having their roots in the Civil War divide over the issue of partition. The National Party are here to change that.

You're pushing the uniqueness of the National Party bit hard.

There's plenty of other similar parties in Ireland: The Irish Freedom Party, Identity Ireland, Immigration Control Platform, Anti-Corruption Ireland, to name but some. They can all kick up a bit of a fuss on Twitter, but none have ever managed to score electoral success - because there just isn't the market for extreme right wing ideology here.

Plus, there's plenty of ideological parties on the left.

ELM327

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The national party would do better if they dropped barret and the ‘no to abortion’ shtick.

Theres space for a party in the ‘against mass immigration’ space and some of their other principals , but adding in the anti abortion part sours it.

AGree.
Lose barret.
Lose the anti women, anti abortion, anti LGBT rubbish and maybe you'd get some support. The country is crying out for a right wing party without the nonsense

Gregor Samsa

ELM327 wrote: »

AGree.
Lose barret.
Lose the anti women, anti abortion, anti LGBT rubbish and maybe you'd get some support. The country is crying out for a right wing party without the nonsense

The NP is just a vehicle for Barrett.

What you're looking for is a totally different party to the NP. And that's fine, but the long list of issues you listed with them are core positions for Barrett and his followers.

It would be like saying PBP would be much more successful if they lost Richard Boyd Barrett and their Trotskyist policies. Well, yeah, they might be, but then they wouldn't be them.

The NP are an extremist party, and all they will attract are extremists. Justin Barrett is a lifelong extremist, he's not going to change.

ArmaniJeanss

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Justin Barrett is a lifelong extremist, he's not going to change.

In fairness to him he changed his mind on the merits of divorce.
Admittedly when he himself wanted one.

Loafing Oaf

coinop wrote: »

That all changed last night with RTE's hatchet job on Justin Barrett and the Nationalist movement in Ireland.

Based on this logic, Barrett himself had already broken into the mainstream many years ago when the Mirror reported on his attendance at far-right rallies in Germany and Italy...

ELM327

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

In fairness to him he changed his mind on the merits of divorce.
Admittedly when he himself wanted one.

Like Leo on gay marriage :pac:

ILoveYourVibes

coinop wrote: »

RTE have realised that the NP are not going away so have decided they must take Barrett down. ”

Take him down? Last night was like a warm bath for Barrett.

ILoveYourVibes

larva wrote: »

Ive never heard of the NP until reading this thread! Good luck to them

They are violent nazis. They have threatened minorities here. They used to have connections with the IRA. yeah ..you sure?

Outkast_IRE

As others have said - drop the anti abortion stance and they might have some chance in the future - I would say under 40-50s are heavily biased to pro choice which as a society is a good thing in my opinion .

They will win alot of support for tightening up immigration but they are souring too many others with the pro life elements.

ArmaniJeanss

OP, one of the problems with all these new parties is that they 'go national' from the start, straight into general elections and even presidential elections. And seem to expect commensurate coverage on the national stage, media or print.

Why not start at a lower level in the council elections - there are always plenty of wards where its usually 9 candidates chasing 7 seats. Get your name known locally as a hard-worker, put yourself in a position three or eight years later where you can have a serious go at the Dail.

They all seem to want to short-cut the process, and it comes across as lazy and presumptive.

ILoveYourVibes

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

As others have said - drop the anti abortion stance and they might have some chance in the future - I would say under 40-50s are heavily biased to pro choice which as a society is a good thing in my opinion .

They will win alot of support for tightening up immigration but they are souring too many others with the pro life elements.

They are also anti gay....and supremely misogynist

Justin Barrett hates feminists. Half of the videos of him on youtube are of him ranting about feminists.

oh and the irish language

IMAGINE THAT!

Oh by the way Justin Barrett can't actually speak Irish.



GET THIS he says in the VIDEO his now wife is a primary school teacher. SHE ISNT ...she just homeschools her kids i have been told. She thinks that means she is a primary school teacher. She doesn't want them in a diverse class with non white kids.She keeps them at home and schools them herself ..and calls herself a primary school teacher!

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The national party are just as interested in what youd refer to as a ‘catholic dictatorship’ as SFIRA are up north

Really because Barrett has stated numerous times that he wants to set one up, and even included it in his book. I'm sure you can provide links to members of SF stating the same to back up your claim.

Cal4567

It probably won't be the NP but some posters here are getting it wrong. There will be an area for what is known as a mainstream nationalist party, similar to what we see in the UK and the continent. We are coming late to the party when it comes to larger scale immigration.

As the children of those who came here in the early 2000s, if we remember the need then to have the 2004 citizenship referendum, reach late teenage and early adult years, we are in the classic second generation immigrant coming of age stage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

It amuses me why some people think we are so different. Have you ever been to London, Birmingham, Blackburn, Bradford, Paris or Marseille? OK, nothing like that here yet but little pockets beggining to appear in towns and some suburbs.

No, there has probably been no real need to see a nationalist orientated political party up to now but we are slowly getting there and the recent international increase in the ongoing Culture War debate will bring it on.

I would say elements of the FF and SF core base if not also some FG would be target potential. More so if we enter into a deep economic recession.

What we have seen in other countries though, and the Netherlands is a good example, is that the mainstream parties have taken on some of the policies of the right wing anti immigrant thought because a lot of ordinary people found themselves agreeing with some elements of the far right message. That's clipped the heels somewhat of the far right. Wouldn't be that surprising to see some of our lot do the same.

Across Europe far right parties seem to be around the 15-20% figure but have grown substantially over the last 15 years or so. I have no idea if that is it for them or whether they will grow any further.

Yes we are unique not having this historic ideological political split but that too seems to be coming to a close with the FF & FG alliance.

I would not be at surprised if a charismatic far right individual emerges here over the course of the next decade. The IT and RTE aided and abetted by the EU will try to put a lid on it but I am drawn back to what I have seen with my own eyes. I have been in most European countries for work and holidays over the last 40 years. The changes there have been enormous.

When I see the socially liberal types just denigrating and ridiculing and trying to shut down debate, I know then they are worried about this and are devoid of reasonably argument.

Gregor Samsa

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

In fairness to him he changed his mind on the merits of divorce.
Admittedly when he himself wanted one.

The funny thing is, back when they launched in 2016, the NP denied he was ever married:

Q) I have read that despite the fact that your president Justin Barrett campaigned for no divorce in Ireland he is now himself divorced…is this true?

A)Justin Barrett is not married and has never been married. He is currently engaged in court proceedings to obtain a legal declaration of that fact. The National Party is not opposed to divorce.

https://web.archive.org/web/20161130202913/http://www.nationalparty.ie/faq/

This is despite him having had children with his "wife" Bernadette, at the time he was campaigning with Youth Defence on an extreme "family values" platform. (The Archived NP page says he left Youth Defence in 2004 and that IT article from 2004 says his youngest child is 15 months old).

So he either was married but claimed he wasn't. Or he wasn't married and had children out of wedlock despite fanatically opposing such "immoral" behaviour.

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

AGree.
Lose barret.
Lose the anti women, anti abortion, anti LGBT rubbish and maybe you'd get some support. The country is crying out for a right wing party without the nonsense

Can you name one right wing party who tick all parts of this list, most are anti at least one or have very vocal members who are.

James Brown

I appreciate the idea having core principles setting your party apart from others, however like every one of those other parties they too have core principles which are open to the interpretation of the membership and given to change.
That said it reads like trying to create a complete nightmarish alternative reality I'd not like to see.