The National Party

skooterblue2

Odhinn wrote: »

You've evidence of this?

When? Where?


Who? What?

Go buy a History/Sociology book?

All societies that have collapsed have many common themes.
Massive inflation. In Rome it was moving from silver coins to copper coins coated in silver, in the states its nearly the same with silver coins replaced with silver plated, in Ireland its copper coins replaced with steel coins. They have all had massive inflation since the replacement of the gold standard.

Open dishonesty and drug taking. This was the case in Rome and is now sadly common place in Ireland. People have no shame about it.

Hyper sexualisation and accepting of gay marriages, prostitution. Happening here, Rome, Weimar Republic, Greece another milestone.

Elevated levels of mental health problems. One in three suffer depression and one in four of those are medicated.

Men refusing or unwilling to do military service. The structure of the Defense forces is collapsing. They had no one to send to an Internet security conference last year. Many of the Technical NCO's and Officers are leaving in droves for private industry.

Citizenship being devalued. Once upon a time an Irish passport cost 1 million pounds now for a few grand you can not only get the passport but the citizenship as well. Happened at the end of the Roman empire as well.

Collapse in respect for the civil power and religious orders. These have all happened before.

Devaluation of education. That is evident, standard are dropping and more award given for useless course. The entry standard for the jobs market has gotten higher.

There are many more but these are the ones that come to mind.

skooterblue2

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Boards closes all threads regarding ongoing court cases. And the Gardaí didn't release a description because:


Investigators have been reluctant to share descriptions of the alleged attackers due to their age, sources said. A number, or perhaps all, of the suspects are underage.

So there ya go.[/QUOTE]

So if you cant describe people you are looking for, how do you expect people to be able to disclose information about the attackers that is about as silly as going to an eletrical shop and not being able to describe the article you want to buy let alone name it.

BarnardsLoop

Then why did you bring up the Gardaí not releasing descriptions? What relevance does it have to this discussion?

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Go buy a History/Sociology book?

All societies that have collapsed have many common themes.
Massive inflation. In Rome it was moving from silver coins to copper coins coated in silver, in the states its nearly the same with silver coins replaced with silver plated, in Ireland its copper coins replaced with steel coins. They have all had massive inflation since the replacement of the gold standard.

A bit of nonsense. Rome gradually lost its power over a number of issues, over a long period of time.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Open dishonesty and drug taking. This was the case in Rome and is now sadly common place in Ireland. People have no shame about it.

Can you name a society which hasn't had some level of drug taking? or one that hasn't seen "open dishonesty"?

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Hyper sexualisation and accepting of gay marriages, prostitution. Happening here, Rome, Weimar Republic, Greece another milestone.

Again, more nonsense. If "western civilisation" gets to last as long as the classical greek, we'll be doing quite well.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Elevated levels of mental health problems. One in three suffer depression and one in four of those are medicated.

Diagnosis of mental illness is greatly increased in modern times.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Men refusing or unwilling to do military service. The structure of the Defense forces is collapsing. They had no one to send to an Internet security conference last year. Many of the Technical NCO's and Officers are leaving in droves for private industry.

We've never had conscription in the state, afaik.

skooterblue2 wrote:

Collapse in respect for the civil power and religious orders. These have all happened before.

O Noes! Not lack of respect for the Church!??!!!!???!!!!

skooterblue2 wrote:

There are many more but these are the ones that come to mind.

.....a collection of half baked notions that have been floating around for decades.

skooterblue2

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Then why did you bring up the Gardaí not releasing descriptions? What relevance does it have to this discussion?

Its no different to the what went on in Rotherham and Telford in Yorkshire. Same happened in Rome to the Etruscans. Their children were raped and the perpetrators were allowed to escape.

skooterblue2

Odhinn wrote: »

A bit of nonsense. Rome gradually lost its power over a number of issues, over a long period of time.

Can you name a society which hasn't had some level of drug taking? or one that hasn't seen "open dishonesty"?

Again, more nonsense. If "western civilisation" gets to last as long as the classical greek, we'll be doing quite well.

Diagnosis of mental illness is greatly increased in modern times.

We've never had conscription in the state, afaik.

O Noes! Not lack of respect for the Church!??!!!!???!!!!

.....a collection of half baked notions that have been floating around for decades.

Clearly you do not watch money markets and understand the role that Silver should play in an economy. You will learn about this in the second week in November, when the US economy crashes like it did in 1929.

Open and unashamedly drug taking? Yes it happens before a society collapses.
Opium in China, Meth is the States, Heroin in Europe and yes I do realise these are not just happening and they are being socially "engineered".

Diagnosis has gotten better but we have never had more suicides per head of population.

I never mentioned conscription, I am talking about young men with no desire to do military service (see Roman armies outside of Romes gates).

Yep lack of respect for the Clergy (not saying they didnt make their own bed) that collapse of moral authority is another milestone.

When you connect the patterns and see how things will move into place then you will see how the future will unfold.

BarnardsLoop

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Its no different to the what went on in Rotherham and Telford in Yorkshire. Same happened in Rome to the Etruscans. Their children were raped and the perpetrators were allowed to escape.

Hang on, is your contention that the perpetrators in the Courtstown case are Muslims? If not, why did you bring up Rotherham and Telford?

skooterblue2

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Hang on, is your contention that the perpetrators in the Courtstown case are Muslims? If not, why did you bring up Rotherham and Telford?

I never brought up the word "Muslim". You did that.

Acosta

Barrett is a filthy little fascist. Spends a lot of time on Twitter posting hate filled bilge over multiple accounts. Or at least he did before he was band.

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Clearly you do not watch money markets and understand the role that Silver should play in an economy. You will learn about this in the second week in November, when the US economy crashes like it did in 1929.

I'll take note of the date.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Open and unashamedly drug taking? Yes it happens before a society collapses.
Opium in China, Meth is the States, Heroin in Europe and yes I do realise these are not just happening and they are being socially "engineered"..

Again, a nonsense from the far right.  Who is doing this 'engineering' btw?

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Diagnosis has gotten better but we have never had more suicides per head of population.

Considering the social stigma around suicide, it was underreported in the past.

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I never mentioned conscription, I am talking about young men with no desire to do military service (see Roman armies outside of Romes gates).

No desire to do military service for shite pay, you mean.



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BarnardsLoop

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I never brought up the word "Muslim". You did that.

Then why bring up Rotherham and Telford? Cop the **** on, you know damn well what you were doing and you can't fool me.

skooterblue2

Odhinn wrote: »

I'll take note of the date.


Again, a nonsense from the far right.  Who is doing this 'engineering' btw?

Considering the social stigma around suicide, it was underreported in the past.


No desire to do military service for shite pay, you mean.



y

Why do you have to take note of the date? can you not see the Federal reserve pumping out money and the price of gold rising? Do not know why they should adversely proportional? Boy you are going to have one rough landing. I hope you are living at home with the 'Rents.

I have my suspicion, I suspect its the same people who engineer wars and determine the outcomes from boardroom tables. You dont think that is seriously left up to soldiers do you? Give you a clue, they finance both sides and get paid by both sides afterwards.

The regular army hasnt always been poor pay. It had a great pension policy until very recently. Mission have become more complex and in more dangerous environments.

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I have my suspicion, I suspect its the same people who engineer wars and determine the outcomes from boardroom tables. You dont think that is seriously left up to soldiers do you? Give you a clue, they finance both sides and get paid by both sides afterwards.

And they are...............?

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The regular army hasnt always been poor pay. It had a great pension policy until very recently. Mission have become more complex and in more dangerous environments.

Lebanon was hardly a simple summer camp. And yes, the Army was always viewed as being underpaid.

skooterblue2

Odhinn wrote: »

And they are...............?


Lebanon was hardly a simple summer camp. And yes, the Army was always viewed as being underpaid.

If you are not smart enough to the difference between an investment fund and hedge fund you shouldn't really be commenting on finance.

Irish Army is very well paid in comparison to other countries (still doesnt mean soldiers get paid well). The Pension was great out after 21 years with full pension and into public service job? I know loads of lads who were smart and took that option when there was no money at home to go to college.

I think you have a rather simplistic view of Lebanon. Soldiers were sacrificed there. The cost of safety was out weighed by the cost of an extraction by helicopter. Lebanon as an environment is not comparable to the Congo or Chad or East Timor.

Dyr

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Irish Army is very well paid in comparison to other countries (still doesnt mean soldiers get paid well).

I'll just bask in the absurd glory of that sentence for a while

skooterblue2

Bambi wrote: »

I'll just bask in the absurd glory of that sentence for a while

British soldiers get paid less for more dangerous duties and dont get paid for overseas duties.

Not even going to go there with the American Forces.

Guy:Incognito

coinop wrote: »

. FF/FG/SF/Labour/Greens are all singing from the same hymn sheet pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion, . Choice is an illusion in Irish politics

So the answer is to remove choices from some people in society about how they can live their lives?

skooterblue2

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

So the answer is to remove choices from some people in society about how they can live their lives?

Try spouting that east of Turkey and they will put you on a gin pole.

Guy:Incognito

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Try spouting that east of Turkey and they will put you on a gin pole.

I live in Ireland thanks.

I'm fine with people being allowed to be gay without persecution and for women to be able to to make choices about their own health without input from me, a person who has never met them.

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

If you are not smart enough to the difference between an investment fund and hedge fund you shouldn't really be commenting on finance.

......................

I'm asking you who you think "finance both sides and get paid by both sides afterwards."

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Try spouting that east of Turkey and they will put you on a gin pole.

Well we're not aiming to be a more oppressive society so what's okay in Turkey is irrelevant.

skooterblue2

Odhinn wrote: »

I'm asking you who you think "finance both sides and get paid by both sides afterwards."

Same shower who give Michael Collins the loan for the war of independence. The great thing about the poor is you can always hire one half to fight the other half.

skooterblue2

Deleted User wrote: »

Well we're not aiming to be a more oppressive society so what's okay in Turkey is irrelevant.

Are we? there are children turning up in Ireland with FGM. Do you think that is oppressive and do you think the Irish tax payer should have to donate resources to a cultural problem was never seen before until recently?

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Same shower who give Michael Collins the loan for the war of independence. The great thing about the poor is you can always hire one half to fight the other half.

What "shower" are these?

Gregor Samsa

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Why do you have to take note of the date?

You made a very specific prediction that the US economy will crash to a comparable extent to the Wall Street Crash of 1929 in the second week of November of this year. Surely you can see why one would want to take note of the date, to see if you are correct or not in your prediction.

ILoveYourVibes

Deleted User wrote: »

Well we're not aiming to be a more oppressive society so what's okay in Turkey is irrelevant.

Some people DO want an oppressive society tho.

skooterblue2

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

You made a very specific prediction that the US economy will crash to a comparable extent to the Wall Street Crash of 1929 in the second week of November of this year. Surely you can see why one would want to take note of the date, to see if you are correct or not in your prediction.

Can you not see how the points are lining up for it? Odhinn cannot and he wouldnt know how to react to the news. My poor sister in law, doesnt even recognise the current recession, much less how to prepare for it. I am usually right within two weeks on previous prediction. I was predicting the stock crash in March for 18 months before hand. I was about 2 weeks early on that.

skooterblue2

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Some people DO want an oppressive society tho.

You got that right but its not the people you are blaming.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Are we? there are children turning up in Ireland with FGM. Do you think that is oppressive and do you think the Irish tax payer should have to donate resources to a cultural problem was never seen before until recently?

FGM is illegal in Ireland, we had our first conviction in relation to it earlier in the year. I favour prosecuting such crimes. We also have Irish people who give their kids bleach to 'cure' autism, people doing senseless things to children isn't something unique to immigrants.

skooterblue2

Deleted User wrote: »

FGM is illegal in Ireland, we had our first conviction in relation to it earlier in the year. I favour prosecuting such crimes. We also have Irish people who give their kids bleach to 'cure' autism, people doing senseless things to children isn't something unique to immigrants.

Congratulation they got one. There are a backlog of about 4500 cases seeking treatment, last time I checked it must be more than that now.
I have never heard of bleach being used to cure autism or anyone being prosecuted for it.

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Congratulation they got one. There are a backlog of about 4500 cases seeking treatment, last time I checked it must be more than that now.
I have never heard of bleach being used to cure autism or anyone being prosecuted for it.

Really you can list a few conspiracy theories you believe in, but never heard of people using bleach to try and cure autism?

What's that smell, is it horses, sheep, cows?

skooterblue2

DubInMeath wrote: »

Really you can list a few conspiracy theories you believe in, but never heard of people using bleach to try and cure autism?

What's that smell, is it horses, sheep, cows?

No never heard it.
Dont get the animal reference ....
Just read about it and being paired with GcMAF, very interesting.
I am guessing you believe everything they tell you in mainstream media? Still looking for WMD in Iraq?

skooterblue2

skooterblue2 wrote: »

No never heard it.
Dont get the animal reference ....
Just read about it and being paired with GcMAF, very interesting.
I am guessing you believe everything they tell you in mainstream media? Still looking for WMD in Iraq?

Got to love the predictability.

ancapailldorcha

So when questioned about the National Party, its defenders employ all sorts of whataboutery. Wonder why they don't get elected.

Dyr

Deleted User wrote: »

FGM is illegal in Ireland, we had our first conviction in relation to it earlier in the year. I favour prosecuting such crimes. We also have Irish people who give their kids bleach to 'cure' autism, people doing senseless things to children isn't something unique to immigrants.

Is having kids drink bleach culturally accepatable in Ireland?

There's your false equivalnce right there.

Gregor Samsa

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Can you not see how the points are lining up for it? Odhinn cannot and he wouldnt know how to react to the news. My poor sister in law, doesnt even recognise the current recession, much less how to prepare for it. I am usually right within two weeks on previous prediction. I was predicting the stock crash in March for 18 months before hand. I was about 2 weeks early on that.

Fair play, you must have made an absolute fortune being able to accurately predict the state of the stock market 18 months out.

Extra kudos for predicting a crash largely caused by a disease that didn’t even exist at the time.

Bambi

Bambi wrote: »

Is having kids drink bleach culturally accepatable in Ireland?

There's your false equivalnce right there.

But FGM is not culturally acceptable and has not become so. It will result in further prosecutions and that will ultimately act as a disincentive. Also children who might have faced it in their home countries may not face it here. There's no reputable organisation that campaigns against FGM solution as banning people from those regions.

You can argue that there are certain groups in Ireland that would view it as acceptable but the very same can be said of the bleach 'cure'.

Gregor Samsa

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Stock markets are to best of my knowledge still rising/relatively stable


This isnt normal or cant continue,they should if everything worked right,be in freefall and taking out pension funds with them??

This maddness cant continue

There’s a big difference between saying that the current situation can’t last forever, and specifically predicting that there will be a crash comparable to 1929 in the second week of November. If you have skooterblue2‘a skills, insight and most importantly precision, you can make serious money.

Ash.J.Williams

coinop wrote: »

Let's have a thread about Ireland rather than America for a change. Founded in November 2016, the National Party was founded by Justin Barrett and his old friend James Reynolds. The two men had been involved in pro-life activism as teenagers and Barrett got a taste of the media spotlight during his No campaign to the Nice Treaty referendum in the early 2000s.

The National Party revolves around 9 core principles which makes it unique among Irish political parties in that it is ideologically based rather than following the populist trend of the day. The main points of NP ideology are: support for a 32 county Ireland, against mass immigration and against abortion.

The NP tested the waters by running candidates in the 2020 general election but none of their candidates were elected with only a few hundred votes each. The party blamed the media's determination to ignore them for their poor performance with most voters claiming to have never heard of the NP. Newspapers had incorrectly listed NP candidates as Independents if they even listed them at all. It seemed like there was a concerted effort by the mainstream media to pretend the NP did not exist and hope that they would fade away.

That all changed last night with RTE's hatchet job on Justin Barrett and the Nationalist movement in Ireland. RTE have realised that the NP are not going away so have decided they must take Barrett down. The public discovered the NP after the last general election and now the cat is out of the bag. They will build upon their name recognition for a more successful election run next time around. How do the esteemed posters of Boards feel about the NP?

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

F**k the national party, that’s about all I have to say.

skooterblue2

Gregor Samsa wrote: »

Fair play, you must have made an absolute fortune being able to accurately predict the state of the stock market 18 months out.

Extra kudos for predicting a crash largely caused by a disease that didn’t even exist at the time.

You think the Virus caused the crash? You dont think it had anything to do with unregulated debt that was due to be paid back. You dont know Italian banks are over leveraged? Germans issued a 0% 30 year equity bond this year? Carry on like its 2006 all over again. Might never happen

Odhinn

skooterblue2 wrote: »

You think the Virus caused the crash? You dont think it had anything to do with unregulated debt that was due to be paid back. You dont know Italian banks are over leveraged? Germans issued a 0% 30 year equity bond this year? Carry on like its 2006 all over again. Might never happen

You might get back to me on this
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=113867380&postcount=175

tipptom

OP seems to just be a cheerleader for the NP but one thing is for sure they will never get a fair hearing in the Irish media even if it is just to make fools of themselves simply because they are not FF/FG.

There is no media in ireland except to cheerlead FF and FG.

They have subverted elections in ireland and there is no doubt that they played a massive part in getting FF over the line in this election to get them in the unbelievable position that the most corrupt part in the history of this state is back in power, its leader who was one of the architects of making this country a world wide laughing stopck of corruption and is now taosaigh from 11 per cent in the polls.

If a country does not have a fully functioning and fair fouth estate then it does not have a fuctioning democracy.

The Nal

Their results in the election were a total embarrassment. Humiliated. Justin Barrett is 50, has been involved in politics for his entire life and hasn't made a dent. He's a loser. They should be called The National Laughing Stock.

Annasopra

The Nal wrote: »

Their results in the election were a total embarrassment. Humiliated. Justin Barrett is 50, has been involved in politics for his entire life and hasn't made a dent. He's a loser. They should be called The National Laughing Stock.

He's a fascist. Well documented.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/far-right-rally-had-welcome-for-irish-no-activist-1.1098691

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/youth-defence-unrepentant-as-eight-convicted-26153253.html

https://www.thepensivequill.com/2019/09/justin-barrett-hates-democracy.html

https://spotlightontheright.wordpress.com/2016/10/05/no-2-justin-barrett-michael-quinn/

https://twitter.com/soundmigration/status/1219970193188847616

Tokyo

Mod: Bunch of inane drivel deleted.

@skooterblue2, @MontgomeryClift - take 48 hours away from the thread and learn how to post somewhere approximating an actual discussion

NovemberWren

tipptom wrote: »

OP seems to just be a cheerleader for the NP but one thing is for sure they will never get a fair hearing in the Irish media even if it is just to make fools of themselves simply because they are not FF/FG.

There is no media in ireland except to cheerlead FF and FG.

They have subverted elections in ireland and there is no doubt that they played a massive part in getting FF over the line in this election to get them in the unbelievable position that the most corrupt part in the history of this state is back in power, its leader who was one of the architects of making this country a world wide laughing stopck of corruption and is now taosaigh from 11 per cent in the polls.

If a country does not have a fully functioning and fair fouth estate then it does not have a fuctioning democracy.

not sure what the fourth estate represents, but James Reynolds in the Nat.Party sounds really good; and he spoke about approaching the way the state hopes that people themselves will do good; he seemed to adhere to the very beginnings of European finance (even back to 1700's?). [I cannot quite remember now but maybe he was referencing when that Scottish person ran the French bank, saying really, i.e. the many differences of opinion in France previous to the concept of 'public' and 'republic'.
I kinda' reckon that the National Party, is more 'fundamentalist' than 'fascist' ?

Ash.J.Williams

NovemberWren wrote: »

not sure what the fourth estate represents, but James Reynolds in the Nat.Party sounds really good; and he spoke about approaching the way the state hopes that people themselves will do good; he seemed to adhere to the very beginnings of European finance (even back to 1700's?). [I cannot quite remember now but maybe he was referencing when that Scottish person ran the French bank, saying really, i.e. the many differences of opinion in France previous to the concept of 'public' and 'republic'.
I kinda' reckon that the National Party, is more 'fundamentalist' than 'fascist' ?

ideals from the the 1700's awesome

nofiller69

LOL

Just reading this thread really highlights the type of people NP attracts. Can you imagine some chap in real life ranting to you about the fall of Rome and why its 100% totally applicable to Ireland because nobody goes to church anymore?

This is a recurring pattern. Anyone who supports the National **** are mentally ill and detached from reality. No exceptions.

Mayorga

Mayorga wrote: »

lol at Mark Malone being put forward as some kind of source.

No vested interests there at all.

Another ngo swine bleeding us dry. I reckon he checks under his bed at night for fascists.

Eh, he included video footage where Barrett argued for the death penalty for doctors who give abortions... Barrett has said it multiple times. It's not craftily manipulated videos.

Dyr

Barretts a wall eyed loon, I think most people know that.