The National Party

ILoveYourVibes

coinop wrote: »

RTE have realised that the NP are not going away so have decided they must take Barrett down. ”

Take him down? Last night was like a warm bath for Barrett.

ILoveYourVibes

larva wrote: »

Ive never heard of the NP until reading this thread! Good luck to them

They are violent nazis. They have threatened minorities here. They used to have connections with the IRA. yeah ..you sure?

Outkast_IRE

As others have said - drop the anti abortion stance and they might have some chance in the future - I would say under 40-50s are heavily biased to pro choice which as a society is a good thing in my opinion .

They will win alot of support for tightening up immigration but they are souring too many others with the pro life elements.

ArmaniJeanss

OP, one of the problems with all these new parties is that they 'go national' from the start, straight into general elections and even presidential elections. And seem to expect commensurate coverage on the national stage, media or print.

Why not start at a lower level in the council elections - there are always plenty of wards where its usually 9 candidates chasing 7 seats. Get your name known locally as a hard-worker, put yourself in a position three or eight years later where you can have a serious go at the Dail.

They all seem to want to short-cut the process, and it comes across as lazy and presumptive.

ILoveYourVibes

Outkast_IRE wrote: »

As others have said - drop the anti abortion stance and they might have some chance in the future - I would say under 40-50s are heavily biased to pro choice which as a society is a good thing in my opinion .

They will win alot of support for tightening up immigration but they are souring too many others with the pro life elements.

They are also anti gay....and supremely misogynist

Justin Barrett hates feminists. Half of the videos of him on youtube are of him ranting about feminists.

oh and the irish language

IMAGINE THAT!

Oh by the way Justin Barrett can't actually speak Irish.



GET THIS he says in the VIDEO his now wife is a primary school teacher. SHE ISNT ...she just homeschools her kids i have been told. She thinks that means she is a primary school teacher. She doesn't want them in a diverse class with non white kids.She keeps them at home and schools them herself ..and calls herself a primary school teacher!

Eric Cartman

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The national party are just as interested in what youd refer to as a ‘catholic dictatorship’ as SFIRA are up north

Really because Barrett has stated numerous times that he wants to set one up, and even included it in his book. I'm sure you can provide links to members of SF stating the same to back up your claim.

Cal4567

It probably won't be the NP but some posters here are getting it wrong. There will be an area for what is known as a mainstream nationalist party, similar to what we see in the UK and the continent. We are coming late to the party when it comes to larger scale immigration.

As the children of those who came here in the early 2000s, if we remember the need then to have the 2004 citizenship referendum, reach late teenage and early adult years, we are in the classic second generation immigrant coming of age stage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twenty-seventh_Amendment_of_the_Constitution_of_Ireland

It amuses me why some people think we are so different. Have you ever been to London, Birmingham, Blackburn, Bradford, Paris or Marseille? OK, nothing like that here yet but little pockets beggining to appear in towns and some suburbs.

No, there has probably been no real need to see a nationalist orientated political party up to now but we are slowly getting there and the recent international increase in the ongoing Culture War debate will bring it on.

I would say elements of the FF and SF core base if not also some FG would be target potential. More so if we enter into a deep economic recession.

What we have seen in other countries though, and the Netherlands is a good example, is that the mainstream parties have taken on some of the policies of the right wing anti immigrant thought because a lot of ordinary people found themselves agreeing with some elements of the far right message. That's clipped the heels somewhat of the far right. Wouldn't be that surprising to see some of our lot do the same.

Across Europe far right parties seem to be around the 15-20% figure but have grown substantially over the last 15 years or so. I have no idea if that is it for them or whether they will grow any further.

Yes we are unique not having this historic ideological political split but that too seems to be coming to a close with the FF & FG alliance.

I would not be at surprised if a charismatic far right individual emerges here over the course of the next decade. The IT and RTE aided and abetted by the EU will try to put a lid on it but I am drawn back to what I have seen with my own eyes. I have been in most European countries for work and holidays over the last 40 years. The changes there have been enormous.

When I see the socially liberal types just denigrating and ridiculing and trying to shut down debate, I know then they are worried about this and are devoid of reasonably argument.

Gregor Samsa

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

In fairness to him he changed his mind on the merits of divorce.
Admittedly when he himself wanted one.

The funny thing is, back when they launched in 2016, the NP denied he was ever married:

Q) I have read that despite the fact that your president Justin Barrett campaigned for no divorce in Ireland he is now himself divorced…is this true?

A)Justin Barrett is not married and has never been married. He is currently engaged in court proceedings to obtain a legal declaration of that fact. The National Party is not opposed to divorce.

https://web.archive.org/web/20161130202913/http://www.nationalparty.ie/faq/

This is despite him having had children with his "wife" Bernadette, at the time he was campaigning with Youth Defence on an extreme "family values" platform. (The Archived NP page says he left Youth Defence in 2004 and that IT article from 2004 says his youngest child is 15 months old).

So he either was married but claimed he wasn't. Or he wasn't married and had children out of wedlock despite fanatically opposing such "immoral" behaviour.

ELM327

ELM327 wrote: »

AGree.
Lose barret.
Lose the anti women, anti abortion, anti LGBT rubbish and maybe you'd get some support. The country is crying out for a right wing party without the nonsense

Can you name one right wing party who tick all parts of this list, most are anti at least one or have very vocal members who are.

James Brown

I appreciate the idea having core principles setting your party apart from others, however like every one of those other parties they too have core principles which are open to the interpretation of the membership and given to change.
That said it reads like trying to create a complete nightmarish alternative reality I'd not like to see.

ILoveYourVibes

Originally Posted by ELM327 View Post
AGree.
Lose barret.
Lose the anti women, anti abortion, anti LGBT rubbish and maybe you'd get some support. The country is crying out for a right wing party without the nonsense

Basically you want facists who don't pose a threat to YOU.

Varik

People are deluding themselves, it likely won't be the national party but people are so far up their own holes on this. There will be some populous/far/hard/radical right party here eventually.

Someone can correct me on this but Ireland seems to be literally the last EU country without one holding any seats. Spain were slapping themselves on the back and talking up lessons learned since Franco, but now Vox are the 3rd largest party. Portugal were there with us but now they've the most unpopular populist party holding a single seat.

Loafing Oaf

Cal4567 wrote: »

There will be an area for what is known as a mainstream nationalist party,

No, there has probably been no real need to see a nationalist orientated political party up to now but we are slowly getting there

I would not be at surprised if a charismatic far right individual emerges here over the course of the next decade. The IT and RTE aided and abetted by the EU will try to put a lid on it but I am

I've been hearing these dark prognostications since the turn of the century and nothing much has ever come of them. Declan Ganley, Peter Casey and various others were supposed to be the messiah of the right and where are they now?

So I'll believe these 'new nationalists' are a real political force when they start winning significant votes in meaningful elections...

sabat

Kiith wrote: »

ban a womans right to choose,

"The right to choose" is a marketing slogan-it does not exist. In the USA where the phrase originated it became erroneously attached to the Roe vs Wade judgement which was actually based on "the right to privacy" which does exist.

TomTomTim

ELM327 wrote: »

AGree.
Lose barret.
Lose the anti women, anti abortion, anti LGBT rubbish and maybe you'd get some support. The country is crying out for a right wing party without the nonsense

Why would any right wing party be pro LGBT considering all the trappings that come with it? LGBT stuff isn't simply supporting gays right, it hasn't been for along time.

suicide_circus

Leaving aside the pro life stuff, this kind of anti immigration party will only get traction once its "too late" ie: once we've fully replicated the issues you see in the UK with parallel societies, ghettoisation etc

Cal4567

Cal4567 wrote: »

When I see the socially liberal types just denigrating and ridiculing and trying to shut down debate, I know then they are worried about this and are devoid of reasonably argument.

They do this by just repeating terms like Nazi and Fascists oblivious to the fact their actions(like those of PBP Joe in the video on page one) are that of a fascist.

Refusing asylum to bogus asylum seekers who entered the country ILLEGALLY(and coming through safe countries in the EU), is not the same as invading countries and mass killing portions of that population.

RWCNT

coinop wrote: »

Let's have a thread about Ireland rather than America for a change. Founded in November 2016, the National Party was founded by Justin Barrett and his old friend James Reynolds. The two men had been involved in pro-life activism as teenagers and Barrett got a taste of the media spotlight during his No campaign to the Nice Treaty referendum in the early 2000s.

The National Party revolves around 9 core principles which makes it unique among Irish political parties in that it is ideologically based rather than following the populist trend of the day. The main points of NP ideology are: support for a 32 county Ireland, against mass immigration and against abortion.

The NP tested the waters by running candidates in the 2020 general election but none of their candidates were elected with only a few hundred votes each. The party blamed the media's determination to ignore them for their poor performance with most voters claiming to have never heard of the NP. Newspapers had incorrectly listed NP candidates as Independents if they even listed them at all. It seemed like there was a concerted effort by the mainstream media to pretend the NP did not exist and hope that they would fade away.

That all changed last night with RTE's hatchet job on Justin Barrett and the Nationalist movement in Ireland. RTE have realised that the NP are not going away so have decided they must take Barrett down. The public discovered the NP after the last general election and now the cat is out of the bag. They will build upon their name recognition for a more successful election run next time around. How do the esteemed posters of Boards feel about the NP?

"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.”

The National Party are 100% populist, in the way the word is most commonly used these days, a hard right nationalist party.

They certainly wouldn't be my cup of tea at all, but I have no worries about them as I don't believe an appetite for their brand of politics exists in this country outside of some of the angry chaps on this forum and people with Pepe the frog avatars on twitter.

I don't buy anyone in the mainstream being scared of the party or wanting to "take them down". They're largely ignored because they're simply not relevant. Their membership and voter base is tiny. I havnt seen the RTE bit you're referring to but I'm sure it was just an excuse to do a bit of pearl clutching about the scary nasty right wing party.

weldoninhio

Fred Cryton wrote: »

There's definitely room for a party in Ireland which is against ILLEGAL immigration, and especially bogus asylum seekers who are clearly third world economic migrants. Law and Order should be the slant they take. Many would be in agreement that a Nigerian pretending to be an asylum seeker should not be getting public housing ahead of a young Irish couple. This is sensible.

But when you start going down the path of ethnic purity and having a go at all immigrants, such as Italians and French working in our Tech sector for example, this is where it gets laughably stupid.

I find it amazing that we don't have a party like that. A lot of people would support them I'm sure. A proper law and order party.

Illegal immigrants removed, no sob stories allowed. I'd remove the Foreign Affairs ministers discretion on these matters.

"Refugees" who holiday in the country they were claiming to flee to be refused entry back into Ireland.

More prisons built. No concurrent sentencing.

Points based immigration.

A cap on the amount of money that could be earned from free legal advice.

A cap on the amount of NGOs. No government funding for NGOs who are not working for the betterment of Ireland.

A cap on the amount of charity licenses in each sector.

Changes to our archaic licensing laws.

Etc

BarnardsLoop

suicide_circus wrote: »

Leaving aside the pro life stuff, this kind of anti immigration party will only get traction once its "too late" ie: once we've fully replicated the issues you see in the UK with parallel societies, ghettoisation etc

Yeah, just look at the likes of Viktor Orbán or Prawo i Sprawiedliwość in Poland. They're turned their respective nations into laughing stocks and that's what we really need here!

Gradius

I struggle to differentiate the current political parties. Perhaps Sinn Fein stand out just a bit. Other than that, it's tweedle dum versus tweedle dee.

A monopolistic political system is bad for the electorate, so more choice is welcome as it might get them to actually compete with each other rather than simply take turns.

For all the red hot topics in the world right now, cost of living, employment, globalisation, immigration, sexuality, housing, education etc...can you distinguish any kind of choice between political options here?

Beyond nauseating detail, I don't. And it is for that same obvious reason that new political entities are going to do gangbusters over the coming years.

ILoveYourVibes

weldoninhio wrote: »

I find it amazing that we don't have a party like that. A lot of people would support them I'm sure. A proper law and order party.

Illegal immigrants removed, no sob stories allowed. I'd remove the Foreign Affairs ministers discretion on these matters.

"Refugees" who holiday in the country they were claiming to flee to be refused entry back into Ireland.

More prisons built. No concurrent sentencing.

Points based immigration.

A cap on the amount of money that could be earned from free legal advice.

A cap on the amount of NGOs. No government funding for NGOs who are not working for the betterment of Ireland.

A cap on the amount of charity licenses in each sector.

Changes to our archaic licensing laws.

Etc

Dude wake up ..do you know how much people make off direct provision??

they made 72 MILLION last year.

They are basically prisons.

End direct provision entirely THEN you would get some politicians against immigration.

I have said to a lot of right wingers ...direct provision is your enemy if you want to halt immigration. But they are naive.

Plus you have the fact that NO business would support that party. they need immigrants.

eldamo

coinop wrote: »

So you're issue lies with your dislike of Barrett rather than National Party policy? Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. I personally think Barrett is a fantastic speaker. I've linked the following video from the 3:50 timestamp mark. If this doesn't inspire you, you're ignorant of Irish history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnmDL65M_bU&t=3m50s

Junkyard Tom

Kiith wrote: »

everyone who doesn't agree with us is a Socialist/Marxist

MUBS. Marxists Under The Bed Syndrome.

It's all over boards.ie lately. I think it's from the US culture war, people watching assorted pseudo-intellectual frauds on YouTube.

CtevenSrowder

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Dude wake up ..do you know how much people make off direct provision??

they made 72 MILLION last year.

They are basically prisons.

End direct provision entirely THEN you would get some politicians against immigration.

I have said to a lot of right wingers ...direct provision is your enemy if you want to halt immigration. But they are naive.

Plus you have the fact that NO business would support that party. they need immigrants.

You are calling other people naive!! You started a thread championing that whole CHAD malarkey, laughably comparing it to the Free Derry movement. How did that turn out? You've claimed that Norway, Denmark and Germany are socialist. I wouldn't be calling other naive if I was you.

irishguitarlad

Varik wrote: »

People are deluding themselves, it likely won't be the national party but people are so far up their own holes on this. There will be some populous/far/hard/radical right party here eventually.

Someone can correct me on this but Ireland seems to be literally the last EU country without one holding any seats. Spain were slapping themselves on the back and talking up lessons learned since Franco, but now Vox are the 3rd largest party. Portugal were there with us but now they've the most unpopular populist party holding a single seat.

Spain was always going to happen, never punished Franco's buddies so it never went away, a bit like Italy. Also, the southern half of Spain and parts of Madrid(where vox gets there support)-Castilla la Mancha, Extremadura, Murcia, Andalucía has many extremely wealthy families that lord it over the rest and want to maintain this. They view supporting bullfighting, wearing spanish pins, being anti feminism and anti-immigration, being staunchly monarchist and Catholic and doing the nazi salute as being a mark of showing your spanishness. They deny the holocaust, want to make gun ownership legal like the U.S, dismantle the autonomous communities and privatize the universal health care service. It's funny how vox supporters rage against immigrants from morocco/maghreb when their anscestors from a few hundred years back were probably from there, the party also got a lot of funding from an iran terrorist group, strangely enough. For Ireland's sake lets hope a party like this never gets popular, they are an absolute cancer.

ILoveYourVibes

CtevenSrowder wrote: »

You are calling other people naive!! You started a thread championing that whole CHAD malarkey, laughably comparing it to the Free Derry movement. How did that turn out? You've claimed that Norway, Denmark and Germany are socialist. I wouldn't be calling other naive if I was you.

And i was right about all of that.


All I am saying is people in this country are making MILLIONS out of illegal and legal immigrants. And even more than that out of asylum seekers.

They are not going to give that up.

Its not the lefties you have to worry about mate.

James Brown

suicide_circus wrote: »

Leaving aside the pro life stuff, this kind of anti immigration party will only get traction once its "too late" ie: once we've fully replicated the issues you see in the UK with parallel societies, ghettoisation etc

You mean after, if it's handled badly.

CtevenSrowder

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

And i was right about all of that.


All I am saying is people in this country are making MILLIONS out of illegal and legal immigrants. And even more than that out of asylum seekers.

They are not going to give that up.

Its not the lefties you have to worry about mate.

No you weren't. As someone else posted in the other thread:

"I know that some people in the US associate the Nordic model with some sort of socialism," he said. "Therefore, I would like to make one thing clear. Denmark is far from a socialist planned economy. Denmark is a market economy."

Now if Denmark isn't, Germany and Norway aren't either.

https://www.vox.com/2015/10/31/9650030/denmark-prime-minister-bernie-sanders

That CHAD rubbish is nothing at all like the Free Derry movement. Bizarre comparison. And I'm not worried about 'lefties'. The basis behind DP is actually a smart one. People are supposed to be coming from War Torn countries or from other such awful circumstances. DP ensures they are sheltered, clothed and fed. The problem is the length of time applications take and the number of appeals that can be made. It should be reformed so that one comes, has their application processed and can appeal once. The whole process shouldn't take more than 6 months, a year at worst.

Gregor Samsa

TomTomTim wrote: »

Why would any right wing party be pro LGBT considering all the trappings that come with it? LGBT stuff isn't simply supporting gays right, it hasn't been for along time.

Whatever about LGBT+, the NP seem to be straight (excuse the pun) anti-gay:

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/national-party-walkout-over-varadkar-gay-slur-gtkbbwkxb

suicide_circus

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Yeah, just look at the likes of Viktor Orbán or Prawo i Sprawiedliwość in Poland. They're turned their respective nations into laughing stocks and that's what we really need here!

who is laughing?

suicide_circus

Bowie wrote: »

You mean after, if it's handled badly.

of course it's going to be handled badly, it cant even be discussed in polite society.

BarnardsLoop

Well... I admit, most people are abjectly horrified at the fascist (sorry! I know a lot of people don't like anyone using the F-word) hellhole Hungary is turning into, including EU member states.

As for Poland... It's a mix of laughter at voting for such a party given their history viz. WWII and... also abject horror for following Obrán's lead.

TheIrishGrover

Christ, I clicked on the link. Just to check it out. There is some serious abuse of the English language there. Absolute garbage. National Identity (ie, get the for-dinners out), Moral Authority (ie, OUR Morals over all others).

I knew it but I wanted to confirm. You knew it from the very NAME of the party. Every time some regressive homophobic racist bible basher starts another party it's always something like "Real Ireland"or "New Ireland" or "Real Nationalism" or other bullsh*t. The implication being that if you are not a regressive racist homophobe who wants to control every aspect of a woman's body then you are not REALLY Irish and you don't know what Ireland REALLY means.


About the only correct thing on that site is the flyers being in black like cigarette packets: Signifying they are bad for your health and should be avoided.

ancapailldorcha

Just looks like he's peddling Brexit for Ireland with added toxicity and stupidity to be honest.

Barrett himself has always come across to me as an odious, nasty, stupid and greasy little man. You see the far right nationalist groups on the continent evolving their narrative and he's on about abortion, a right women across Europe have had for decades. While I don't see the sorts of people who prioritise voting to limit or eliminate immigration being too bothered with this, I can't see there being much appetite to repeal such a recent constitutional change.

The British Labour party committed to a second EU referendum in 2019 and suffered their worst electoral result since the second world war. That someone purporting to lead a political party is not cognisant of this is baffling but somehow entirely predictable.

Ireland just doesn't have the sort of colonial past for the sort of xenophobic and racist dogwhistling Barrett to yield any sort of result. Net immigration to Ireland is a relatively recent affair. I see the British flailing and embarassing themselves with Brexit and this lad advocating the same for Ireland and just wonder why he's even bothering. Maybe if he dropped the culture war stuff and maybe pushed an Irexit agenda based on farming and fishing quotas or something.

Pherekydes

ArmaniJeanss wrote: »

OP, one of the problems with all these new parties is that they 'go national' from the start, straight into general elections and even presidential elections. And seem to expect commensurate coverage on the national stage, media or print.

Why not start at a lower level in the council elections - there are always plenty of wards where its usually 9 candidates chasing 7 seats. Get your name known locally as a hard-worker, put yourself in a position three or eight years later where you can have a serious go at the Dail.

They all seem to want to short-cut the process, and it comes across as lazy and presumptive.

They're not actually in to "serving the people". They're only in to seizing power.

GT89

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Just looks like he's peddling Brexit for Ireland with added toxicity and stupidity to be honest.

Barrett himself has always come across to me as an odious, nasty, stupid and greasy little man. You see the far right nationalist groups on the continent evolving their narrative and he's on about abortion, a right women across Europe have had for decades. While I don't see the sorts of people who prioritise voting to limit or eliminate immigration being too bothered with this, I can't see there being much appetite to repeal such a recent constitutional change.

The British Labour party committed to a second EU referendum in 2019 and suffered their worst electoral result since the second world war. That someone purporting to lead a political party is not cognisant of this is baffling but somehow entirely predictable.

Ireland just doesn't have the sort of colonial past for the sort of xenophobic and racist dogwhistling Barrett to yield any sort of result. Net immigration to Ireland is a relatively recent affair. I see the British flailing and embarassing themselves with Brexit and this lad advocating the same for Ireland and just wonder why he's even bothering. Maybe if he dropped the culture war stuff and maybe pushed an Irexit agenda based on farming and fishing quotas or something.

Barrett is not pro Irexit. The NP are against the idea of an EU army and want to leave the Euro and go back to the punt but they are not in favour of Ireland leaving the EU.

The fact of the matter is the current levels of immigration are too high and unsustainable in the long run. We need to look at introducing an Australian style points system on an EU wide basis in order for immigration to sustainable.

jackboy

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

As for Poland... It's a mix of laughter at voting for such a party given their history viz. WWII and... also abject horror for following Obrán's lead.

Poland did not only suffer at the hands of the Germans during WW2. The Russians took over after the war with permission from the brits and Americans. So, Poland suffered at the hands of fascists, communists and democrats in that war. Technically Poland lost WW2 even though they were with the Allies.

Odhinn

coinop wrote: »

So you're issue lies with your dislike of Barrett rather than National Party policy? Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. I personally think Barrett is a fantastic speaker. I've linked the following video from the 3:50 timestamp mark. If this doesn't inspire you, you're ignorant of Irish history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnmDL65M_bU&t=3m50s

Jaysus spare us.

1641

jackboy wrote: »

Poland did not only suffer at the hands of the Germans during WW2. The Russians took over after the war with permission from the brits and Americans. So, Poland suffered at the hands of fascists, communists and democrats in that war. Technically Poland lost WW2 even though they were with the Allies.

That is a very strange way of framing it.

Stalin in 1944 at Yalta agreed to allow democratic elections in Poland. By the end of the war the Soviet army sat in Poland. Stalin did "allow" elections" but they were completely rigged. Other than wage into a renewed war with Russia there was little the western allies could do.

The Soviets were determined to keep eastern Europe under their dominance. They had a very powerful army there and believed they had earned this - which they saw as a defence against any renewed German resurgence or Western interference.

brightspark

The reason why FF and FG get a lot of the votes is because their policies are actually agreeable to most of us.

Sure there are things that we don't all agree with and occasionally people vote for others, but the minority parties do not appeal to large sections of the voters.

SF had their best election result, but still did not even get 25% of the seats, perhaps in another couple of decades when peoples' knowledge of "the troubles" are just what they have been taught in school, they might become more popular, but that remains to be seen.

However any party that have policies that only appeal to minorities will remain a minority.

ILoveYourVibes

brightspark wrote: »

The reason why FF and FG get a lot of the votes is because their policies are actually agreeable to most of us.

.

If they merged into one ..which i think they may and should.....then they would clear up

Realt Dearg Sec

coinop wrote: »

So you're issue lies with your dislike of Barrett rather than National Party policy? Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people. I personally think Barrett is a fantastic speaker. I've linked the following video from the 3:50 timestamp mark. If this doesn't inspire you, you're ignorant of Irish history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NnmDL65M_bU&t=3m50s

"Great minds discuss ideas...Small minds discuss people"

Proceeds to discuss a person.

Gregor Samsa

GT89 wrote: »

Barrett is not pro Irexit. The NP are against the idea of an EU army and want to leave the Euro and go back to the punt but they are not in favour of Ireland leaving the EU.

While they're not calling for an Irexit now, they're go onto make it very clear they're in favour of leaving the EU if they don't get their way in dismantling all the stuff that makes the EU the EU.

THE EUROPEAN SUPERSTATE
There is no immediate prospect of Ireland leaving the European Union by popular vote. If we do leave, it may well be the consequence of larger outside forces, the ongoing ramifications of Brexit for example. So it may not be the nationalists who take us out of the Union, but a schism within the anti-nationalists. As such, we do not view Brexit as a template that can simply be repackaged in an Irish context. The Irish situation is far more complicated.

With this in mind, the National Party intends to take a pragmatic and realistic approach towards the European Union. This approach may change over time, but our guiding principles will not. We are a Eurosceptic Party. We will fight, by whatever means available, to regain those national rights which have been undermined.

In the short term, we will advocate an adversarial approach on behalf of Irish national interests, similar to what countries like Poland and Hungary have done in response to the migrant crisis. If it is possible, we will work towards the creation of a nationalist bloc. But if we cannot achieve our aims within the European Union then we will leave.

Furthermore, they seem to be advocating leaving the EU as the last stage of a process, rather than the first one.

TWO UNIONS
Facts of Life. We can’t trust the European Union. We can’t trust the British. We can’t trust the Irish government. In order to conduct a successful and immediate withdrawal from the European Union, for example, we would need to be able to trust all three of them.

These three thorns need to be removed and probably in the reverse order.
[...]
We must create a strong and united country capable of standing on its own two feet, resilient enough to throw off the shackles of both Unions.

https://nationalparty.ie/the-national-idea/

Looks to me that they're just putting that topic on the back burner for a while, partly down to the fact that it's an incredibly unpopular one.

brightspark

During Primetime last night Justin Barrett made statements that Hazel Chu isn't ethnically or culturally Irish, and Ireland isn't her ancestral homeland.

The name Barrett came to Ireland courtesy of the Anglo Norman invasion...To be clear, his family were invaders who forcibly took land from the native Irish.

"Meaning 'bear mighty' the name Barrett is of Norman descent and was introduced into Ireland with the Anglo-Norman invasion of the twelfth century, that was led by Strongbow"

http://www.irishsurnames.com/cgi-bin/gallery.pl?name=barrett&capname=Barrett&letter=b


EDIT:

Ironically he was once known as Justin Slevin (the family name of those who adopted him) but he has chosen to use his biological parents name now.

Slevin really is an old Irish family name.

https://www.surnamedb.com/Surname/Slevin

Gradius

Pherekydes wrote: »

They're not actually in to "serving the people". They're only in to seizing power.

Unlike those philanthropic angels in other parties.

Do people genuinely not understand what politicians are about?

And I see a lot of the usual dismissals about new political parties here, declaring, essentially, that we'll be the exception to the rule when looking at the world at large.

There's a genuine fear that people are going to lose what they value, and there's no better motivation than fear to get people off their ignorant arses. And that works both ways. Some fear losing their country, some fear being chucked out, it's all the same in the end. Look at the absolute state of the world and tell yourself "this is absolutely normal"

ancapailldorcha

GT89 wrote: »

Barrett is not pro Irexit. The NP are against the idea of an EU army and want to leave the Euro and go back to the punt but they are not in favour of Ireland leaving the EU.

The fact of the matter is the current levels of immigration are too high and unsustainable in the long run. We need to look at introducing an Australian style points system on an EU wide basis in order for immigration to sustainable.

Sorry but when I hear the phantom EU army trope being dropped my hackles raise. I would find it hard to believe that anyone going on about an EU army, the Euro, national sovereignty and whatnot doesn't want to leave the EU. Maybe he thinks it'd damage his chances to say it openly which just makes his abortion stance all the more moronic.

BarnardsLoop

Oh but sure didn't you hear? All the aborted foetuses are going to be conscripted into an EU army and paid a new minimum wage of €1.84!

No, I haven't forgotten about the frankly laughable crap Europhobes came out with at the time.

Gradius

BarnardsLoop wrote: »

Oh but sure didn't you hear? All the aborted foetuses are going to be conscripted into an EU army and paid a new minimum wage of €1.84!

No, I haven't forgotten about the frankly laughable crap Europhobes came out with at the time.

Hyperbole aside, I'm quite curious as to logical endpoints in how people think.

It's easy to laugh and jeer about things in theoretical terms, but brexit is a very real thing that happened and with very real consequences that won't be known for a long time.

So jeering aside, what do you think is the outcome of this increasing social unrest?

Do you imagine it's all going to go away for some reason in like 10 years? I don't. Just about any metric you care to think about points to momentum in chaos.

The mindset of laughing nervously at things beginning to crumble all about you, dismissing it out of hand, is a bit mad to me.

Galwayguy35

Eric Cartman wrote: »

The national party would do better if they dropped barret and the ‘no to abortion’ shtick.

Theres space for a party in the ‘against mass immigration’ space and some of their other principals , but adding in the anti abortion part sours it.

Same with Renua, some good ideas but then they ruin it by thinking they are talking to voters from the 1960s when everyone went to mass weekly.