Can we have some fcuking control on the airports from high risk countries please?

munchkin_utd

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Or just maybe Garda resources should be spent on real social issues such as this?

no,
irish people dont spread covid amongst themselves and theres no scum in Ireland.

Foreigners and travel are the problem, embodied particularily in Bulgarian Strawberry pickers

( Bulgarian strawberry pickers, staying on site at a farm, mingling with nobody, too poor to go to the pub and mix with irish and spread the covid that they never had in the first place, yep, thats your problem)

Corholio

Corholio wrote: »

You used half of my sentence when you gave your opinion on it. If you didn't understand it or don't bother to understand it fine, but don't use half of what I said to make it seem like it's a point. All of the sentence or none of it.

Have the basic manners to admit you were wrong in your accusations. You accused me of selective quoting to be underhanded and I did no such thing.

Red Silurian

ngunners wrote: »

So Red Silurian was talking nonsense in his comment as I thought.

Back in December there were irish truckers turned around at the ports of dover and Roslare as the French didn't want the UK variant brought in

So yeah intra-EU travel can be stopped

peasant

Here's a bit of news from the Irish Examiner today:

Nearly 250 flights into Ireland have had at least one confirmed case of Covid-19 since January 1, but up to 80% of close contacts on some planes have never been traced.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40280642.html

So it looks like no, we can't have some control on the airports.
We don't even manage to follow up on the data we have on time.

Tracing of flights is done using flight manifests, provided to the HSE by the airlines.

However, the quality of the manifests has been a source of concern, with frequently incomplete or erroneous data included, while the State’s stockpile of passenger locator forms is rarely accessed, despite being available to tracers from last December.

emphasis by me

munchkin_utd

peasant wrote: »

Here's a bit of news from the Irish Examiner today:
https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40280642.html

So it looks like no, we can't have some control on the airports.
We don't even manage to follow up on the data we have on time.

emphasis by me

so, theres 250 flights with at least 1 case so lets round up to maybe 500 cases which came by plane.
In parallel there has been since Jan 1st this year 158,511 cases in Ireland

thats approx 158000 more domestic than travel related cases in 2021
yet, travel is the problem this Spring we are told. Really?

peasant

munchkin_utd wrote: »

travel is the problem this Spring we are told. Really?

missing the point ...shambolic tracing is the problem

beggars_bush

peasant wrote: »

missing the point ...shambolic tracing is the problem

doesn't help when people are giving false numbers and false addresses

saabsaab

beggars_bush wrote: »

doesn't help when people are giving false numbers and false addresses

Some don't give their contacts either.

munchkin_utd

peasant wrote: »

missing the point ...shambolic tracing is the problem

So, lack of tracing of about 500 travel related cases over 4 months caused all those subsequent cases ?

And not the tracing of the 1000+ per day of domestic cases ?

FileNotFound

munchkin_utd wrote: »

so, theres 250 flights with at least 1 case so lets round up to maybe 500 cases which came by plane.
In parallel there has been since Jan 1st this year 158,511 cases in Ireland

thats approx 158000 more domestic than travel related cases in 2021
yet, travel is the problem this Spring we are told. Really?

Also contact tracers were generally a bunch of unemployed chaps thrown in a room to answer phones. I know chaps doing it - not exactly scientists.

Yet in the piece it is the contact tracers opinion that subsequent positives of close contacts "surely came from the plane".

Over all the article was a poor read and good for fueling the bile in the nation - beyond that its just a pissed on Contact tracer having a go.

ginoginelli

peasant wrote: »

missing the point ...shambolic tracing is the problem

Our version of mhq is just a dressed up detterent to travel. If our government hadn't have completely failed with proper controls and proper following up of home quarantining, we might have been able to avoid it.

FileNotFound

ginoginelli wrote: »

Our version of mhq is just a dressed up detterent to travel. If our government hadn't have completely failed with proper controls and proper following up of home quarantining, we might have been able to avoid it.

Dettering people from travelling is by nature more effective than any after travel system can be.

MHQ is a big mess, but if its a successful detterant then it saves the state wasting tax payer money on following up on everyone post their holibops.

a_squirrelman

FileNotFound wrote: »

Dettering people from travelling is by nature more effective than any after travel system can be.

MHQ is a big mess, but if its a successful detterant then it saves the state wasting tax payer money on following up on everyone post their holibops.

Not all of us are on holiday.

munchkin_utd

FileNotFound wrote: »

Dettering people from travelling is by nature more effective than any after travel system can be.

MHQ is a big mess, but if its a successful detterant then it saves the state wasting tax payer money on following up on everyone post their holibops.

my kids havent seen their 80 year old grandparents since christmas 2019, and counting, and youre implying thats a good situation that should continue indefinitely and if they pop their clogs in the next year or 3 sure I can show them pictures of the grandparents that they hardly know

yea, grand .

or here, in the Irish times in the other direction:

Also speaking on RTÉ radio, a French national living in Ireland with his wife and four children spoke of how his father, who has cancer, is expected to die in the coming days.

“I’m expected to bury my father and then spend two weeks alone in a hotel room,” he said. “I am also concerned that you can’t appeal before arrival. It’s very stressful, I really think it’s inhuman.”

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ireland-s-quarantine-system-unnecessarily-harsh-says-french-ambassador-1.4555868

All to stop barely less infections in 4 months than Ireland has in a day anyhow !!!

ginoginelli

munchkin_utd wrote: »

my kids havent seen their 80 year old grandparents since christmas 2019, and counting, and youre implying thats a good situation that should continue indefinitely and if they pop their clogs in the next year or 3 sure I can show them pictures of the grandparents that they hardly know

yea, grand .

Many of us are In the same position. The situation is unfair but its not unreasonable.

There is a greater good at stake. The overall protection of our society is and should be paramount and rightfully trumps any individual hardship and misfortunes.

DaSilva

ginoginelli wrote: »

Many of us are In the same position. The situation is unfair but its not unreasonable.

There is a greater good at stake. The overall protection of our society is and should be paramount and rightfully trumps any individual hardship and misfortunes.

Platitudes.

Keeping people in MHQ is not preventing people being exposed to sars-cov-2 in Ireland. We are in the midst of an epidemic, the virus is in our communities. Selected MHQ is theatre designed to placate people who insist something must be done, regardless of how effective it is.

Economics101

Was there a constitutional amendment some yours ago on the right to travel? Does the text of the amendment stipulate the reason for having that right? I know that at the time this amendment was passed due to hysteria on the abortion question (I'm not taking sides on that!!).

Maybe some strict constructionist or originalist lawyer might say you have the right to travel for an abortion, but how dare you do so to attend your mother's funeral.

Economics101

Economics101 wrote: »

Was there a constitutional amendment some yours ago on the right to travel? Does the text of the amendment stipulate the reason for having that right? I know that at the time this amendment was passed due to hysteria on the abortion question (I'm not taking sides on that!!).

Maybe some strict constructionist or originalist lawyer might say you have the right to travel for an abortion, but how dare you do so to attend your mother's funeral.

No one is being physically prevented from leaving the country

saabsaab

ginoginelli wrote: »

Many of us are In the same position. The situation is unfair but its not unreasonable.

There is a greater good at stake. The overall protection of our society is and should be paramount and rightfully trumps any individual hardship and misfortunes.

You are right but many on this thread don't see it that way. Just as well they are in the minority overall.

Economics101

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No one is being physically prevented from leaving the country

No, but they are being fined quite heavily, especially if you are not all that well off to begin with.

Feria40

ginoginelli wrote: »

Many of us are In the same position. The situation is unfair but its not unreasonable.

There is a greater good at stake. The overall protection of our society is and should be paramount and rightfully trumps any individual hardship and misfortunes.

But at what point can we say mission accomplished? Covid won't disappear nor will the risk of variants for a long time to come

ginoginelli

saabsaab wrote: »

You are right but many on this thread don't see it that way. Just as well they are in the minority overall.

Thanks Saab. Youre a good poster and definitely in the minority here. This thread is unfortunately filled with sad contrarian trolls for the most part whose views bare very little resemblance to reality.

ginoginelli

Feria40 wrote: »

But at what point can we say mission accomplished? Covid won't disappear nor will the risk of variants for a long time to come

In a few months, when the critical mass is fully vaccinated.

Economics101

Economics101 wrote: »

No, but they are being fined quite heavily, especially if you are not all that well off to begin with.

Indeed but that doesn't change it.

a_squirrelman

ginoginelli wrote: »

Thanks Saab. Youre a good poster and definitely in the minority here. This thread is unfortunately filled with sad contrarian trolls for the most part whose views bare very little resemblance to reality.

Get a room you two.

FileNotFound

Feria40 wrote: »

But at what point can we say mission accomplished? Covid won't disappear nor will the risk of variants for a long time to come

A bigger question will be - when vaccinations reach a point that herd immunity (General population immunity) exists - will covid even be as lethal as the flu.

So unless there is some shocking evidence to say its worse we should be opened as normal this year, never to lockdown again.

MadYaker

theguzman wrote: »

I tested negative, I protect my family and that is where I stop caring, we are not all in this together, I don't give a damn about anyone else or anything else, Covid19 killed off empathy for me.

This isn’t protecting your family

Feria40

ginoginelli wrote: »

In a few months, when the critical mass is fully vaccinated.

I'm not necessarily on a different page to you but all the data suggests that even one jab of any vaccine is highly effective.

We shouldn't be too far off having 80% of adults with one jab come in end of June..

On that basis does opening up in say the end of June or early July with a neg PCR on arrival into the country not represent a reasonably fair balance?

ginoginelli

Feria40 wrote: »

I'm not necessarily on a different page to you but all the data suggests that even one jab of any vaccine is highly effective.

We shouldn't be too far off having 80% of adults with one jab come in end of June..

On that basis does opening up in say the end of June or early July with a neg PCR on arrival into the country not represent a reasonably fair balance?

June might be a little early. I wouldnt want to see us rush it for the sake of a few weeks or a month.

I am a big supporter of the digital green cert. Whenever that is up and running would be a good time to reduce travel restrictions.

saabsaab

ginoginelli wrote: »

In a few months, when the critical mass is fully vaccinated.

Absolutely. We're on the same page here. Some others are on a different book it seems.