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FF/FG/Green Next Government

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    #1622
    Bishop of hope
    Registered Users Posts: 2,927 ✭✭✭Bishop of hope


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/programme-for-government-wrong-to-put-faith-in-private-builders-1.4286542

    I can't read it, I'm not a subscriber.
    But as I work in the industry, pricing and organising, it's not what you say nationally, perhaps Dublin OK.
    The journal link is correct or close anyway.


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    #1623
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Bishop of hope wrote: »
    I can't read it, I'm not a subscriber.
    But as I work in the industry, pricing and organising, it's not what you say nationally, perhaps Dublin OK.
    The journal link is correct or close anyway.


    It also take no consideration for the fact house prices are going to fall on the back of covid. I have a friend selling and the agent said to expect a drop from before covid.


    THe prices are still high on daft but in reality people are not paying close to what is on the website.


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    #1624
    atticu
    Registered Users Posts: 692 ✭✭✭atticu


    I hope that we get a FF/SF (National, Unity, National Unity, Independent or whatever you would like to call it) Government.

    The people voted for change, and the people want change.


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    #1625
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,438 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    JohnnyFlash wrote: »
    All you need to do is point out one State contract awarded to anyone (not even Dinny) which went outside the extraordinary (and onerous) controls put in place to ensure there's no corruption involved.

    You can't do that though, dude.

    All piss and vinegar.

    It has been pointed out repeatedly to those who theorise a conspiracy about Denis O'Brien that there are numerous avenues of complaint under Irish and EU public procurement arrangements if there is any shred of evidence that there has been any departure from the legal provisions. If they have even the tiniest shred of evidence, that is the avenue to go. It is a much easier process than criminal proceedings being based on civil concepts of preponderance of evidence rather than beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Yet, not a single such complaint has been made.


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    #1626
    [Deleted User]
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    atticu wrote: »
    I hope that we get a FF/SF (National, Unity, National Unity, Independent or whatever you would like to call it) Government.

    The people voted for change, and the people want change.

    Then why are those elected to bring about change not in government?


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    #1627
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Who are the 'criminals' still walking about?

    You do realise there was a conflict/war here that the Irish government and the British government negotiated a settlement to and to which all signed up to.

    Both parties have conflict and war in their pasts in which they killed and committed what were criminal acts at the time.
    What is 'thick' about that fact?

    Why don't you google them and see how many have served time - and what they served it for


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    #1628
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,792 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    atticu wrote: »
    I hope that we get a FF/SF (National, Unity, National Unity, Independent or whatever you would like to call it) Government.

    The people voted for change, and the people want change.
    Less than 50% of people "voted for change" and less than 25% of people voted for SF.


    A majority of people voted for the FFFGGP block.


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    #1629
    Truthvader
    Registered Users Posts: 1,826 ✭✭✭Truthvader


    atticu wrote: »
    I hope that we get a FF/SF (National, Unity, National Unity, Independent or whatever you would like to call it) Government.

    The people voted for change, and the people want change.

    Part of me hopes you do too. If it happens it will make the Charlie Haughey/ Bertie Ahern years of petty thievery look like a convent tea party. Many in FF joined when either Bertie or Charlie were leader and had no problem while SF are steeped in criminality and thuggery.

    It seems every nation is swinging towards thieves, chancers and criminals so if we have to have our Trump. Johnson, Putin, Bolsonaro, Erdogan moment lets get it over with. Hopefully it won't be your son or father beaten to death in a crowded pub - -with no witnesses at all living in a corrupt country with with no recourse to any independent state agency on any issue as they fill them with their own kind


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    #1630
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Less than 50% of people "voted for change" and less than 25% of people voted for SF.


    A majority of people voted for the FFFGGP block.

    How many people voted FF based on their promise pre-election that they would NOT go into Govt with FG?


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    #1631
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,131 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Bowie wrote: »
    So we wont know.

    I never claimed corruption. I've claimed FG are awful at making deals for the tax payer. Why is guessing. I'll just say Mr. O'Brien always comes out on top, and its generally Mr. O'Brien getting the sweet deal.

    This is utter absurdity. What on earth makes you think you have the right to look at the financial books of private enterprises? You know who will get a look at them? The professional auditors who will then sign off of the books, taking legal responsibility for the numbers.

    Selling your goods/services at cost price is essentially the exact opposite of "coming out on top". It is not a good deal for them, which is why some of them want out of it.

    Do you think the government should have compelled these businesses to provide their services at a loss?


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    #1632
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,131 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    FF last night open up door to SF if pfg dosnt pass, Greens tonight open door

    SF/FF/Greens

    Leo will literally not be able to cope. His legacy done/gone, go down as worst FG leader ever

    Not sure in what universe the Greens think they would get more green policies into that coalition then the PfG.


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    #1633
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,792 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    How many people voted FF based on their promise pre-election that they would NOT go into Govt with FG?
    How many people voted for them? It's irrelevant *why* they voted.


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    #1634
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Not sure in what universe the Greens think they would get more green policies into that coalition then the PfG.

    Why wouldn't they? They are not getting much outta the pfg. All promises, and we know what FGs and FF's history regarding promises made.


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    #1635
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    ELM327 wrote: »
    How many people voted for them? It's irrelevant *why* they voted.

    So its irrelevant that FF lied to get votes. Thats why they are at 14% in the polls now.


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    #1636
    christy c
    Registered Users Posts: 2,193 ✭✭✭christy c


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    How many people voted FF based on their promise pre-election that they would NOT go into Govt with FG?

    Not sure that data is available. How many voted for SF based on demographics looking after themselves?


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    #1637
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,792 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    So its irrelevant that FF lied to get votes. Thats why they are at 14% in the polls now.
    Polls are irrelevant. The only poll that counts is the ballot box.
    If theres another election, FF will likely lose votes to FG


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    #1638
    Danzy
    Registered Users Posts: 13,645 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Polls are irrelevant. The only poll that counts is the ballot box.
    If theres another election, FF will likely lose votes to FG

    You'd have to expect FG getting a near majority in a new election.

    FF and the Greens being punished but all parties losing votes to them.


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    #1639
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Less than 50% of people "voted for change" and less than 25% of people voted for SF.


    A majority of people voted for the FFFGGP block.

    Well actually the majority would have voted for a Sinn Fein , FF, FG block. Has they been voting for a block.


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    #1640
    Podge_irl
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 26,131 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Why wouldn't they? They are not getting much outta the pfg. All promises, and we know what FGs and FF's history regarding promises made.

    Because SF's green policies are weak at best, and they are fundamentally opposed to any new taxes to pay for them.


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    #1641
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,457 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Well actually the majority would have voted for a Sinn Fein , FF, FG block. Has they been voting for a block.

    Well I voted for Labour/FG precisely because they said they would not go into government with SF pre-election. I also hoped the Greens would join with them as I figured they deserve another rattle.

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #1642
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    Danzy wrote: »
    You'd have to expect FG getting a near majority in a new election.

    FF and the Greens being punished but all parties losing votes to them.

    You can expect a good % increase in the Under 30s who vote IMO, and them votes will only be going 1 way.

    SF know how to gain votes through social media targeting the young, FG have not.


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    #1643
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    Well I voted for Labour/FG precisely because they said they would not go into government with SF pre-election. I also hoped the Greens would join with them as I figured they deserve another rattle.

    Some craic tomorrow night when Martin rings Mary Lou and says lets have a chat.


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    #1644
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    ELM327 wrote: »
    Less than 50% of people "voted for change" and less than 25% of people voted for SF.


    A majority of people voted for the FFFGGP block.

    The majority of people voted a FF/SF/FG block


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    #1645
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,457 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    You can expect a good % increase in the Under 30s who vote IMO, and them votes will only be going 1 way.

    SF know how to gain votes through social media targeting the young, FG have not.

    They are slowly cottoning on to it. And changed the issues they highlighted on social media when they realised Brexit and the economy did not click with voters.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/election-2020-politicians-playing-catch-up-with-social-media-1.4148098

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #1646
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    gormdubhgorm wrote: »
    They are slowly cottoning on to it. And changed the issues they highlighted on social media when they realised Brexit and the economy did not click with voters.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/election-2020-politicians-playing-catch-up-with-social-media-1.4148098

    The majority of people on social media are SF voters, all polls etc on twitter will tell you that.

    FG at every opportunity whether its a lie or not, have a go at SF. That does not go down well, as can be seen online


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    #1647
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,792 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    zerosugarbuzz wrote: »
    Well actually the majority would have voted for a Sinn Fein , FF, FG block. Has they been voting for a block.
    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    The majority of people voted a FF/SF/FG block


    A block of one party opposed by two is not a block.




    Thats not "a vote for change" either.


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    #1648
    dundalkfc10
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭dundalkfc10


    ELM327 wrote: »
    A block of one party opposed by two is not a block.




    Thats not "a vote for change" either.

    Did FF not state before the election they would not go into Govt with FG. So why do them 2 count but SF not?


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    #1649
    ELM327
    Registered Users Posts: 21,792 ✭✭✭✭ELM327


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Did FF not state before the election they would not go into Govt with FG. So why do them 2 count but SF not?
    There's a difference between pre election posturing, and diametrically opposed parties.
    It's in the subtext, and, if I can pick up the context (I have ASD) it is not subtle at all.


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    #1650
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    You can expect a good % increase in the Under 30s who vote IMO, and them votes will only be going 1 way.

    SF know how to gain votes through social media targeting the young, FG have not.


    I think you will find a lot of SF keyboard warriors on social media. At this stage instead of having a positive in the polls it is starting to take the negative.



    People are sick of seeing the same stupid comments on every post and when asked to explain the person has no idea. Mostly as they are all been fed the same sh*t by SF....


    Yes it will work on some people, but I seen the last few times when someone comes into our local area facebook groups with standard SF bulls**t they are quickly run out of the group. Maybe a year ago it would kick off a discussion.


    If SF could actually think of something new, but it is the same stuiff as on here. Everything ends up with denis o'brien and a load of tinfoil hat c**p.



    Or vulture funds :P then ask them what a vulture fund is and thye have no idea. I have asked about 20 people on facebook the simple question "What is a vulture fund" and I think one could actually answer. Done the same here and it was the same, no idea.


    Social media works if used properly, something SF are starting to fail to do, numbers is not the answer, quality is the answer. Take yourself for example. You thought Leo was running FG since 2011 and then started abuse when corrected.


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    #1651
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    dundalkfc10 wrote: »
    Did FF not state before the election they would not go into Govt with FG. So why do them 2 count but SF not?


    I could answer that question but I think you should be able to work it out yourself....


    Lets just say has any party said they will work with SF?


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