The trashing of our parks and beaches

Mimon

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Civic duty is 0% enforcement, 100% not being a scumbag.

I am never going to leave any park/beach/mountain covered in my crap just because there isn't a litter warden there. If you don't agree, then that is your problem.

Ignore list.

Not taking sides in this little argument but unfortunately not everyone is like you and there needs to be enforcement to ensure the scumbags don't have free reign to be scumbags. This is the case at the moment.

whisky_galore

conorhal wrote: »

On a sunny day, with exponentially more users of an amenity.... the bins are full.. Who could have imagined or predicted such a thing? (certiantly not the clowns we have in charge that's for sure) How could this possibly be planned for?

How about having bins emptied at sufficient intervals during the summer months so that they're not overflowing? Just a wild thought!




I think my post just explained to you that's bu11sh1t.
A culture of accountability and civility comes from the top and they're maintained by enforcement and example.
Remove enforcement and example and tell me just how long you think civility lasts?
Do you think 'civic duty' is some natural human state that exists outside of it's imposition by authority? I put it to you that it does not.
Duty, noun: a task or action that one is required to perform

Does mommy still pick up after you?

TrangiaCoffee

Well the media potentially have just kicked off a ****storm of monument vandalism with the attention they have given it.

It will probably be the next challenge, to deface neolithic stones.

whisky_galore

TrangiaCoffee wrote: »

Well the media potentially have just kicked off a ****storm of monument vandalism with the attention they have given it.

It will probably be the next challenge, to deface neolithic stones.

What are they supposed to do? Not say anything because stupid people?

Snickers Man

Conor Bourke wrote: »

Also the use of an Americanism like trash in the first place bothers me separately.

An Americanism? Really?

Ever seen the play Othello? It was written more than 400 years ago. In England.

Act 3 Scene 3

Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands:
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him
And makes me poor indeed.

Elmo

Snickers Man wrote: »

An Americanism? Really?

Ever seen the play Othello? It was written more than 400 years ago. In England.

Act 3 Scene 3

Who steals my purse steals trash; 'tis something, nothing;
'Twas mine, 'tis his, and has been slave to thousands:
But he that filches from me my good name
Robs me of that which not enriches him
And makes me poor indeed.

Just don't be dropping Handkerchiefs on the ground of leaving them about the place because Othello is very careful about things like that.

Anyway trashing something is different to trash on the sidewalk.

As you know Shakespeare original wrote out the scene where he walks down the sidewalk to find Desdemona's Hankercheif!

Strumms

conorhal wrote: »

On a sunny day, with exponentially more users of an amenity.... the bins are full.. Who could have imagined or predicted such a thing? (certiantly not the clowns we have in charge that's for sure) How could this possibly be planned for?

How about having bins emptied at sufficient intervals during the summer months so that they're not overflowing? Just a wild thought!




I think my post just explained to you that's bu11sh1t.
A culture of accountability and civility comes from the top and they're maintained by enforcement and example.
Remove enforcement and example and tell me just how long you think civility lasts?
Do you think 'civic duty' is some natural human state that exists outside of it's imposition by authority? I put it to you that it does not.
Duty, noun: a task or action that one is required to perform

Accountability and civility comes from one’s self and family... pride in yourself, your environment, area....you don’t mind what your neighbors are doing, if they are trashing the place..on them... I’m not going to do it, I’m mindful of my neighbors, neighborhood and I’m doing the right thing and disposing of my rubbish.

While the law can act as a deterrent, most of us don’t need a deterrent to do the right thing.

Back Home

Ashleigh1986 wrote: »

This happens every time the weather improves in Ireland .
You wouldn't see this in the likes of Sweden / Denmark / Norway / Germany ...
To many people living here have no respect for our stunning country .
These people will never change ....
The only thing they understand is fines .
That would mean providing proper security at these parks / beaches ...that costs money .
The councils are also to blame ... Not providing enough bins at these places .
In a lot of cases these bins are to small and remain full over a weekend before been emptied on a Monday .

Yes you would
https://www.dw.com/en/berlin-24-7-why-berlin-is-so-dirty/a-42937818

eleventh

conorhal wrote: »

The example of those supposed to enforce it is that of evasion of responsibility and so we are lead by example.

Couldn't agree more. That's the core of it.

Strumms

These photos were taken in my local park...all be it not by me, my GP’s Twitter.

It’s Nothing compared to the state of it last week when I was there.

Shows the twerps arrived with their drink / snacks in bags, but they just couldn’t be arsed removing the empties even though they had bags, there are bins outside the park too, and presumably in their houses if those inside are full... just lazy, useless, littering, horrible dirtbags... if you can carry drink IN in bags you can carry it OUT.

Park is undergoing a serious upgrade, they’ve just finished doing a great job on the tennis courts, playground, soon the paths and the rest but every couple of days now it’s rubbish strewn everywhere,

eleventh

Strumms wrote: »

While the law can act as a deterrent, most of us don’t need a deterrent to do the right thing.

So have no laws at all, is that what you're saying?
Because most people don't need them, we should n't have laws - that seems to be what you're saying.

Strumms

eleventh wrote: »

So have no laws at all, is that what you're saying?
Because most people don't need them, we should n't have laws - that seems to be what you're saying.

Errr, no, don’t know where you are getting that from...No. I’m saying the law needs to be enforced. Not just existing on paper.

There as part of the park upgrade will be cameras going in, at least that way the Gardai can be called if the hordes of pond scum keep coming back. Wrecking the place and intimidating people as has been reported too.

Twice the amount of litter and cans and broken bottles was left one Friday in the center circle of one of the pitches...

If I arrive to play a match on Saturday..I ain’t cleaning it up... let the Gardai, city council deal with it.

Littering is an offense as is drinking in a park. Fuçk them, make life difficult for them if they want to make it difficult for others.

Antares35

Snickers Man wrote: »

An Americanism? Really?

Ever seen the play Othello?

Yes I'm sure that's where they've picked it up

eleventh

Strumms wrote: »

Errr, no, don’t know where you are getting that from...No. I’m saying the law needs to be enforced. Not just existing on paper.

I seem to have picked you up wrong then, sorry.

Littering is an offense as is drinking in a park.

The main issue then is enforcement. Is it Gardai or who is responsible?
Having laws on paper, as you say, it's a waste when they're not implemented.

Elmo

Antares35 wrote: »

Yes I'm sure that's where they've picked it up

American's have kept some older English words that we don't use. and visaversa

For example we use dear to mean expensive, American's and Canadian's rarely if ever use the word dear to mean expensive.

Hoof Hearted2

whisky_galore wrote: »

The 'erra shur tis grand' knuckledraggers have chimed in...knowing the price of everything and value of nothing.
Ah shur tis only an auld shtone. We might as well all sign our names on it shur

Ok smarty pants, if as you allege, you know the price of nothing and value of everything, enlighten us all, what is the value of 5,000 year old rock art, in say for example comparison to cancer research?.

Hoof Hearted2

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Based on your comments, I'm going to assume that you are one of the people that just leaves their trash behind for others to pick up.

What logic or rational you used to arrive at that assumption is another item to be added to my mysterious list.

As it happens in this instance, surprise surprise, you are wrong in your assumption.

Pawwed Rig

Hoof Hearted2 wrote: »

Ok smarty pants, if as you allege, you know the price of nothing and value of everything, enlighten us all, what is the value of 5,000 year old rock art, in say for example comparison to cancer research?.

Bit of a silly premise. They are two mutually exclusive items. One value is not based on the other.

What value has a Van Gogh v a hospital wing?*

*Delamitri 1989

Snickers Man

Elmo wrote: »

Just don't be dropping Handkerchiefs on the ground of leaving them about the place because Othello is very careful about things like that.

Anyway trashing something is different to trash on the sidewalk.

As you know Shakespeare original wrote out the scene where he walks down the sidewalk to find Desdemona's Hankercheif!

Rubbish!

Antares35

Elmo wrote: »

American's have kept some older English words that we don't use. and visaversa

For example we use dear to mean expensive, American's and Canadian's rarely if ever use the word dear to mean expensive.

I know.

seltys

Yeah_Right wrote: »

More of this needs to happen. Call people out for littering. I've actually made a conscious effort to do it more often. Just loudly call out Hey, put your rubbish in the bin! Never approach them but call them out loudly. Public shaming. They look around and see people looking. Sometimes they tell me to **** off and they walk away. Sometimes they tell me to **** off but they are embarrassed enough to pick their litter up. Occasionally they pick the rubbish up and slink away. I encourage more people to call out litter bugs.

I did this yesterday in Raheny village. Saw a woman and her adult daughter walking up Main Street. The daughter looked to be in her early twenties though I could be wrong. The daughter removed a blood stained face covering and left it down on the wall. They carried on walking and the mother entered the pharmacy. The daugher was outside and I approached her asking her could she not use a litter bin for her mask which was now on the ground. "Right" she said as she carried on texting. I said it again and her answer was "for God's sake". Went into the chemist and waited my turn. The mother of the girl left after being served. Almost immediately she reentered the premises and roared at me that I had no right to scream at her daugher. I pointed out I never screamed at her, however she continued. I said "I merely asked her to pick up her rubbish instead of littering" at which point the mother told me she was only a child, and then left the shop. What disappointed me was not only the attitude of the mother but the other adults who heard/saw the altercation. It would seem you can say nothing these days without offending ..........

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seltys wrote: »

I did this yesterday in Raheny village. Saw a woman and her adult daughter walking up Main Street. The daughter looked to be in her early twenties though I could be wrong. The daughter removed a blood stained face covering and left it down on the wall. They carried on walking and the mother entered the pharmacy. The daugher was outside and I approached her asking her could she not use a litter bin for her mask which was now on the ground. "Right" she said as she carried on texting. I said it again and her answer was "for God's sake". Went into the chemist and waited my turn. The mother of the girl left after being served. Almost immediately she reentered the premises and roared at me that I had no right to scream at her daugher. I pointed out I never screamed at her, however she continued. I said "I merely asked her to pick up her rubbish instead of littering" at which point the mother told me she was only a child, and then left the shop. What disappointed me was not only the attitude of the mother but the other adults who heard/saw the altercation. It would seem you can say nothing these days without offending ..........

Gob****es..fair play to you !!

Thelonious Monk

https://www.thejournal.ie/portobello-plaza-closed-due-to-unacceptable-behaviour-5437111-May2021

So they're closing the Portobello plaza this weekend due to it being left in awful states over and over. I don't blame them, it's a residential area. What's worrying is the amount of comments suggesting the council should be there cleaning up as they go, they already left out more bins and the place was still wrecked.

Biker79

There's this weird entitlement to leave rubbish wherever you please, and expect the council to clean it up.

Hopefully closing off Portobello will send a signal to litterbugs/ drunks that its unacceptable.

HeidiHeidi

I have a feeling litter was the least of the problems that led to the closure this weekend.

The canal the whole way down from Dolphin's Barn gives off a lovely cosmopolitan vibe on sunny evenings, but later on at night the antisocial behaviour and public order incidents go off the scale.

It must be an absolute nightmare for the residents in the area.

Thelonious Monk

Yeah but at the same time they'll probably just gather elsewhere now. I don't really know what the solution is here, but they can't keep closing public spaces where people gather if they expect us to have an outdoor summer.
Maybe having a couple of Garda posted there to fine people leaving litter, and trying to keep some kind of order?
People are just going to congregate along the canal anyway, but they're leaving it in some really awful states, I'm not sure we as a society are mature enough to be allowed drink outdoors.

Pawwed Rig

Biker79 wrote: »

There's this weird entitlement to leave rubbish wherever you please, and expect the council and clean it up.

Hopefully closing off Portobello will send a signal to litterbugs/ drunks that its unacceptable.

I lived across form social housing a few years ago. Every day or 2 the council would come along and remove all the rubbish that was thrown everywhere. Talking to some of the residents it was their opinion that it was the council's job and they didnt want to be taking jobs away from others. Strange mentality tbh. They wod leave all sorts of filth outside their front door waiting for the council.

Councils are worse for doing it. One of the many reasons that councils are reluctant to get I to wholesale social housing projects again but that is another conversation.

Thelonious Monk

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

I lived across form social housing a few years ago. Every day or 2 the council would come along and remove all the rubbish that was thrown everywhere. Talking to some of the residents it was their opinion that it was the council's job and they didnt want to be taking jobs away from others. Strange mentality tbh. They wod leave all sorts of filth outside their front door waiting for the council.

Councils are worse for doing it. One of the many reasons that councils are reluctant to get I to wholesale social housing projects again but that is another conversation.

Yes around Summerhill and North Strand, which consistently comes out as the most littered area in Ireland, the locals just dump bags of rubbish all over the streets or around bins, instead of paying for bin tags, and the council clean it up. You literally have to clean up after these people or they'll live in their own filth, I would probably leave them to stew in it though.

HeidiHeidi

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Yeah but at the same time they'll probably just gather elsewhere now. I don't really know what the solution is here, but they can't keep closing public spaces where people gather if they expect us to have an outdoor summer.
Maybe having a couple of Garda posted there to fine people leaving litter, and trying to keep some kind of order?
People are just going to congregate along the canal anyway, but they're leaving it in some really awful states, I'm not sure we as a society are mature enough to be allowed drink outdoors.

The gardai simply can't stay at the one spot all night, there just aren't enough of them for that. Nothing else would get done at all. And there are all the other sites where people congregate, the same applies but I suppose they're not as easily fenced off (or they haven't got around to those yet).

I fully agree with your last paragraph.

HeidiHeidi

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

. Talking to some of the residents it was their opinion that it was the council's job and they didnt want to be taking jobs away from others. Strange mentality tbh..

I've seen that opinion expressed in a thread on this site very recently.