Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

skelly22

Arghus wrote: »

Absolute gibberish.

Absolutely predictable.

facehugger99

TaurenDruid wrote: »

It is not "some people feeling a bit tired a few weeks."

If only it was. I'm feeling "a bit tired" for the last couple of months, as more most of my friends and family, but that's down to Covid only in the sense that our sleep patterns have been severely disrupted and it's hard to switch off when working from home.

What it is, is a hell of a lot of otherwise young, healthy people suffering chronic post-viral fatigue syndrome, for months. And people also developing longer term lung, heart and kidney problems.

Up to 2/3rds of healthcare workers who've recovered from Covid got post-viral fatigue. It knocks you for six. It's exhausting. And it can last months. https://www.inmo.ie/Home/Index/217/13598

They are the second most moany profession, after teachers.

I'm surprised only 2/3 of them complained about feeling a bit tired.


I wouldn't be putting much stock in these self-defined 'conditions' TBH.

Penfailed

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Remember when they told us we had to lockdown because they we don't want the hospitals to get overwhelmed

Hospital were never overwhelmed...

So...lockdown worked?

Penfailed

Penfailed wrote: »

So...lockdown worked?

Well, we would have never had the number of deaths that lots of people were predicting back in Jan/Feb. Lockdown or not. That was crazy talk. I recall people saying that 50000 Irish could die.

I do think the lockdown helped until around the end of April / start of May when the curve was flattened.

We needed to get our testing and tracing up to speed. We desperately needed to to get the clusters in nursing homes under control.

Since then though, the hospital numbers have dropped to 6. And the deaths have dropped off completely with the since the nursing home clusters are under control.

We could be fighting this illness a lot harder than we are. There are several reasons why we might regret it eventually. Particularly if there is no vaccine or the vaccine takes a lot longer to roll out.

I actually wouldn't mind if travel was flat out banned for a few more months if it meant we could have more freedom here.

joeguevara

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, we would have never had the number of deaths that lots of people were predicting back in Jan/Feb. Lockdown or not. That was crazy talk. I recall people saying that 50000 Irish could die.

I do think the lockdown helped until around the end of April / start of May when the curve was flattened.

We needed to get our testing and tracing up to speed. We desperately needed to to get the clusters in nursing homes under control.

Since then though, the hospital numbers have dropped to 6. And the deaths have dropped off completely with the since the nursing home clusters are under control.

We could be fighting this illness a lot harder than we are. There are several reasons why we might regret it eventually. Particularly if there is no vaccine or the vaccine takes a lot longer to roll out.

I actually wouldn't mind if travel was flat out banned for a few more months if it meant we could have more freedom here.

What freedom are you looking for?

growleaves

We've been sold a PUP.

timmy_mallet

Penfailed wrote: »

So...lockdown worked?

With Sweden's considerably less strict lockdown (factor in population ratios here too now) when did they run out of ICU beds?

timmy_mallet

Deleted User wrote: »

Well, we would have never had the number of deaths that lots of people were predicting back in Jan/Feb. Lockdown or not. That was crazy talk. I recall people saying that 50000 Irish could die.

I do think the lockdown helped until around the end of April / start of May when the curve was flattened.

We needed to get our testing and tracing up to speed. We desperately needed to to get the clusters in nursing homes under control.

Since then though, the hospital numbers have dropped to 6. And the deaths have dropped off completely with the since the nursing home clusters are under control.

We could be fighting this illness a lot harder than we are. There are several reasons why we might regret it eventually. Particularly if there is no vaccine or the vaccine takes a lot longer to roll out.

I actually wouldn't mind if travel was flat out banned for a few more months if it meant we could have more freedom here.

Well, i don't think 50k is crazy talk. With a known CFR of about 1%, which at the time it was (if not higher), then all of the population contracting the virus would lead to 50k deaths.

The question to ask is, is 50k too much for society to tolerate?

Penfailed

timmy_mallet wrote: »

With Sweden's considerably less strict lockdown (factor in population ratios here too now) when did they run out of ICU beds?

I've no idea. I'm not one of Sweden's cheerleaders. I do know that the health service in Sweden is considerably better than here.

FintanMcluskey

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Well, i don't think 50k is crazy talk. With a known CFR of about 1%, which at the time it was (if not higher), then all of the population contracting the virus would lead to 50k deaths.

The question to ask is, is 50k too much for society to tolerate?

50k is crazy though Timmy when you compare it to Sweden. Thats the equivalent of expecting 150k deaths in Sweden.

The CFR was never actually at 1% in fact no where near it for the complete population, it was only an innaccurate calculation at the time. ( treatment has lowered it slightly alright)

storker

Penfailed wrote: »

I've no idea. I'm not one of Sweden's cheerleaders. I do know that the health service in Sweden is considerably better than here.

And the population density is considerably lower.

FintanMcluskey

Penfailed wrote: »

I've no idea. I'm not one of Sweden's cheerleaders. I do know that the health service in Sweden is considerably better than here.

Assume they have a substantial amount more ICU beds per 100k population to aid treatment for the vulnerable?

FintanMcluskey

growleaves wrote: »

We've been sold a PUP.

We've bought into a pig in a bag Im afraid.

_Kaiser_

RTE news leading with the situation on the other side of the world in Australia.

I'm sorry but that's completely irrelevant to the situation here unless those Irish people there try to come back.. But I suppose the ongoing low numbers here aren't as good for scary headlines :rolleyes:

Idbatterim

Rte can make this doom and gloom into a 24 hour newschannel. If there are covid deaths here and still the hysteria, imagine what they can whip up with suicides, work place death, road deaths, old age deaths :rolleyes:

Its truly pathetic, all media is juat now click bait or eyeball bait :rolleyes:

CruelSummer

How’s George Lee & RTÉ coping with today’s numbers? The excitement must be palatable in the RTÉ studios as the prospect of more doomsday reporting & Prime Time Special episodes to follow for months on end. They’ll probably drag out Prof Killeen, Scally, Ryan, McConkey, etc for another round of it in tandem - perhaps we’ll be asked to wear goggles or face shields next as well as masks...
What amazes me is the weight given to Prof Scally re Covid. Of course he’s going to big it up, he has a conflict of interest in the development of the Oxford vaccine. It’s like asking bankers for their views on how the Government should go about fixing their banking crisis mess in 2008.

FintanMcluskey

CruelSummer wrote: »

How’s George Lee & RTÉ coping with today’s numbers? The excitement must be palatable in the RTÉ studios as the prospect of more doomsday reporting & Prime Time Special episodes to follow for months on end. They’ll probably drag out Prof Killeen, Scally, Ryan, McConkey, etc for another round it in tandem - perhaps we’ll be asked to wear goggles or face shields next as well as masks...
What amazes me is the weight given to Prof Scally re Covid. Of course he’s going to big it up, he has a conflict of interest in the development of the Oxford vaccine. It’s like asking bankers for their views on how the Government should go about fixing their banking crisis mess in 2008.

Someone said it here before.

We are asking the wrong people the wrong questions to get the wrong advice.

Watch Luke O Neills first late late appearance on Feb 28. The rantings of a bluffer.

Those idiots have had their say. Its time to wheel out every economist, mental health psychologist and childhood development expert they can find.

On 2nd thought's they dont have to be experts, just random galutes, and let them have their say

gral6

It looks like the pubs would never open. It is a joke to what this country turned to.

Spanish Eyes

Spikes are happening.

We have to deal with that now. Disappointing to hear of the numbers today though.

Santy2015

gral6 wrote: »

It looks like the pubs would never open. It is a joke to what this country turned to.

Prime time has a feature on the cases today and again about the pubs. All negative off course. Looking forward to it.....

niallo27

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Assume they have a substantial amount more ICU beds per 100k population to aid treatment for the vulnerable?

You would be wrong according to this.

https://www.statista.com/chart/7495/germany-leads-europe-in-hospital-bed-capacity/

gral6

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Spikes are happening.

We have to deal with that now. Disappointing to hear of the numbers today though.

It only proves that the lockdown was useless. Sweden&Belarus are much better prepared for the winter now than the rest of Europe. Unfortunately 4 months ago, European countries chose to hide their heads in the sand and imposed lockdowns

joeguevara

gral6 wrote: »

It looks like the pubs would never open. It is a joke to what this country turned to.

Are you only interested in pubs. There are pubs that you can get drink in.

FintanMcluskey

niallo27 wrote: »

You would be wrong according to this.

https://www.statista.com/chart/7495/germany-leads-europe-in-hospital-bed-capacity/

So they have 3 times more vulnerable people in the over 65 group, 2m vs 650k, but similar numbers of ICU beds.

Thats a strange one.

No doubt someone will be on to suggest those beds are better than Irish ICU beds

gral6

joeguevara wrote: »

Are you only interested in pubs. There are pubs that you can get drink in.

I don't care about the pubs. I do care about people who used to work there and now, by April 1, would be getting 203 a week because of government. What a f.... joke

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Spikes are happening.

We have to deal with that now. Disappointing to hear of the numbers today though.

Yeah I think it’s time I either took unpaid leave or quit if I have to. Haven’t been happy for weeks but between the numbers and how bad people have become worth distancing I really would rather be alive than working.

Still don’t agree with the selfish Irish consensus that we should have sacrificed more people so they could go to the pub now though no matter how much “further along” we’d be.

niallo27

gral6 wrote: »

It only proves that the lockdown was useless. Sweden&Belarus are much better prepared for the winter now than the rest of Europe. Unfortunately 4 months ago, European countries chose to hide their heads in the sand and imposed lockdowns

No i don't agree, we were probably a bit over the top but it worked, I do think going back into a full lock down would be a big mistake.

CruelSummer

Santy2015 wrote: »

Prime time has a feature on the cases today and again about the pubs. All negative off course. Looking forward to it.....

Yes it appears they’ve secretly filmed people in bars re regulations trying to get more businesses shut and people out on the PUP and dole...

FintanMcluskey

niallo27 wrote: »

No i don't agree, we were probably a bit over the top but it worked,

Fair enough Niallo, but when you say it worked, what are you basing that on?

Death rate? We are similar to Sweden

FintanMcluskey

CruelSummer wrote: »

Yes it appears they’ve secretly filmed people in bars re regulations trying to get more businesses shut and people out on the PUP and dole...

Oh good lord, such fantastic investigative journalism.

Pulitzer prize nominations for that fine piece