Relaxation of Restrictions, Part IV - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

joeguevara

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Youre fully correct. It was the screening that was postponed.

Very perceptive of you

No, just stating facts.

charlie14

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

So the USA has done much better than the 4th perfoming country in Europe in terms of death rate.

Thats positive news. It surely makes sense to get those tourists in from America at that rate

Its good news that the policies of a basket case USA President has resulted in their death rate being better than Sweden.


You may want to rethink that one.

FintanMcluskey

charlie14 wrote: »

I never said Sweden did not have restrictions. The restrictions they had, and still have, did not work to the same effect that lockdown did for their Nordic neighbours which is plain to see if you compare their numbers.

You do not seem to know what Sweden`s excess death numbers are.
For 2019 their total death were 88,766. That equates to 44,383 for 6 months.
For first 6 months of this year their total death were 53,786. Excess deaths of close to 9,500.
Their reported Covid-19 deaths in that period were around 5,500.

That still leaves 4,000 excess deaths unaccounted for.
I am not aware of anything in Sweden that would account for that large number of deaths in that 6 month period but perhaps you are ?

Excess deaths are incredibly common. But you know this because you spend your time researching way to fuel the Covid hysteria train.

Spend a few minutes on google finding medical reports for excess deaths in Europe 2018 or any other year.

The media has realised most people are completley unaware that vast numbers of people die accross the globe and are using that fact to stoke hysteria for click's on articles.

FintanMcluskey

charlie14 wrote: »

Its good news that the policies of a basket case USA President has resulted in their death rate being better than Sweden.


You may want to rethink that one.

But that basket case has done better than many european countries.

The death rate in the US is

55 million citizens over 65 - 152k deaths

Death rate of 276 per 100k over 65

charlie14

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Excess deaths are incredibly common. But you know this because you spend your time researching way to fuel the Covid hysteria train.

Spend a few minutes on google finding medical reports for excess deaths in Europe 2018 or any other year.

The media has realised most people are completley unaware that vast numbers of people die accross the globe and are using that fact to stoke hysteria for click's on articles.

LOL. A load of nonsense. Excess deaths of that magnitude are uncommon without a reason why.

I know this because I actually went to the trouble of looking up Sweden`s total deaths, (it just entailed a one click search) and for the past 10 years they have remained consistent over that time other than this year.


Facts have nothing to do with hysteria. They simply are what they are and no amount of bluster changes them

FintanMcluskey

charlie14 wrote: »

LOL. A load of nonsense. Excess deaths of that magnitude are uncommon without a reason why.

I know this because I actually went to the trouble of looking up Sweden`s total deaths, (it just entailed a one click search) and for the past 10 years they have remained consistent over that time other than this year.


Facts have nothing to do with hysteria. They simply are what they are and no amount of bluster changes them

So they had had thousands of excess deaths but you just said earlier they did have restrictions.

So, restrictions save lives, Sweden had restrictions, Sweden had excess deaths worse than the US, but restrictions save lives.

In struggling to see any credibility here Charles

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Excess deaths are incredibly common. But you know this because you spend your time researching way to fuel the Covid hysteria train.

Spend a few minutes on google finding medical reports for excess deaths in Europe 2018 or any other year.

The media has realised most people are completley unaware that vast numbers of people die accross the globe and are using that fact to stoke hysteria for click's on articles.

Here for you Fintan
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

Spanish Eyes

This place is as mad as a box of frogs. Just put your mask on where required, keep your distance, wash your hands and don't go abroad for now.

This country has done very well, to keep it like that, see above.

We will know who to point the finger at anyway if spikes happen anytime soon.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But that basket case has done better than many european countries.

The death rate in the US is

55 million citizens over 65 - 152k deaths

Death rate of 276 per 100k over 65

20k deaths in the US among under 65’s

Arghus

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Here for you Fintan
https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

Some of them in here REALLY don't like that website, because it shows clearly the impact Covid had in Europe, using rock solid data and in a very clear and consise format.

FintanMcluskey

Arghus wrote: »

Some of them in here REALLY don't like that website, because it shows clearly the impact Covid had in Europe, using rock solid data and in a very clear and consise format.

No Im going to use that graph.

It proves restrictions had no impact on death rate.

Really good data in that graph

FintanMcluskey

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

This place is as mad as a box of frogs. Just put your mask on where required, keep your distance, wash your hands and don't go abroad for now.

This country has done very well, to keep it like that, see above.

We will know who to point the finger at anyway if spikes happen anytime soon.

Thats some load of patronising waffle before tea time

charlie14

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But that basket case has done better than many european countries.

The death rate in the US is

55 million citizens over 65 - 152k deaths

Death rate of 276 per 100k over 65

You have a terrible obsession with over 65`s, but if your figures are correct then with John Hopkins University figure of 456 that would mean 178 under 65. Close to 40% of deaths being under 65.

Spanish Eyes

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Thats some load of patronising waffle before tea time

Glad you enjoyed it. :P

Lighten up a bit. Getting hot in here for no reason.

But any chance to buck the trend and be rebellious is getting mighty tedious now.

Arghus

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No Im going to use that graph.

It proves restrictions had no impact on death rate.

Really good data in that graph

You are not making any sense Fintan.

What the graphs show is the huge increase in the rate of excess deaths in different countries in Europe at the start of this year, in comparison to other preceding years.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

20k deaths in the US among under 65’s

A tiny percentage of their population.

FintanMcluskey

charlie14 wrote: »

You have a terrible obsession with over 65`s, but if your figures are correct then with John Hopkins University figure of 456 that would mean 178 under 65. Close to 40% of deaths being under 65.

No I dont have a terrible obsession with over 65's, Covid does.

Where are you getting data of 40% of deaths under 65?

The faries?

charlie14

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

So they had had thousands of excess deaths but you just said earlier they did have restrictions.

So, restrictions save lives, Sweden had restrictions, Sweden had excess deaths worse than the US, but restrictions save lives.

In struggling to see any credibility here Charles

Fintan if you weren`t so busy running around trying to avoid uncomfortable facts that do not suit your narrative, the credibility would be much less of a struggle.

FintanMcluskey

Arghus wrote: »

You are not making any sense Fintan.

What the graphs show is the huge increase in the rate of excess deaths in different countries in Europe at the start of this year, in comparison to other preceding years.

But where's the correlation that restrictions have any effect on death rate?

Thats my argument, Covid kills high number's of vulnerable in a short space of time.

Restrictions dont make any difference

Arghus

Arghus wrote: »

You are not making any sense Fintan.

What the graphs show is the huge increase in the rate of excess deaths in different countries in Europe at the start of this year, in comparison to other preceding years.

We all knew there would be deaths during a pandemic...

Only 665000 worldwide so far.

Very small figure considering the hysteria.

charlie14

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No I dont have a terrible obsession with over 65's, Covid does.

Where are you getting data of 40% of deaths under 65?

The faries?

From your own figures when compared to those of John Hopkins. Just simple mathematics.

facehugger99

Deleted User wrote: »

We all knew there would be deaths during a pandemic...

Only 665000 worldwide so far.

Very small figure considering the hysteria.

1.35 million die every year in road accidents.

It's a wonder the hysteria brigade ever leave their houses.

I'm beginning to suspect many of them don't.

FintanMcluskey

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

No Im going to use that graph.

It proves restrictions had no impact on death rate.

Really good data in that graph

It’s not a graph, it’s a fully interactive dashboard for all of Europe, and if you care to look at it, does the opposite of what you believed

Arghus

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

But where's the correlation that restrictions have any effect on death rate?

Thats my argument, Covid kills high number's of vulnerable in a short space of time.

Restrictions dont make any difference

Lockdowns and restrictions clearly work in halting the spread of the disease, which in turn helps to prevent excess mortality due to the virus.

When we were in the midst of the first lockdown that line of thinking of restrictions being useless didn't have much creditibilty, but subsequent events, like resurging numbers of cases and deaths in places like the US show it up for the complete nonsense that it clearly is. It's frankly embarrassing that you're still sticking to that argument

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

A tiny percentage of their population.

Harmless to the under 80’s, only a flu
https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2017-2018.htm

fr336

facehugger99 wrote: »

1.35 million die every year in road accidents.

It's a wonder the hysteria brigade ever leave their houses.

I'm beginning to suspect many of them don't.

It'd be far more if there were no seatbelts, airbags or people weren't taught to drive. Such a crap comparison.

facehugger99

facehugger99 wrote: »

1.35 million die every year in road accidents.

It's a wonder the hysteria brigade ever leave their houses.

I'm beginning to suspect many of them don't.

It goes to show how easily people are manipulated and controlled by hysteria and the media.

If the media started doing daily reporting on car crashes and deaths, most of the country would give up driving based on the response to Covid.

fr336

Deleted User wrote: »

It goes to show how easily people are manipulated and controlled by hysteria and the media.

If the media started doing daily reporting on car crashes and deaths, most of the country would give up driving based on the response to Covid.

Living in England I often turn on the RTE News and see them reporting car deaths at the weekend.

Arghus

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We all knew there would be deaths during a pandemic...

Only 665000 worldwide so far.

Very small figure considering the hysteria.

You do know there was giant measures put in place across the globe in order to contain the virus and prevent excess deaths. That's why we didn't have so many deaths?

How can some of you consistently fail to get this?

Arghus

[Deleted User] wrote: »

It goes to show how easily people are manipulated and controlled by hysteria and the media.

If the media started doing daily reporting on car crashes and deaths, most of the country would give up driving based on the response to Covid.

The media does do daily reporting on car crashes. Now, to be fair, maybe you don't watch the news all that much