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fundamentalists using covid to ram through measures

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    I think my original issue was more with the manner in which they are attempting to push this through as part of Covid response - its totally disingenuous and smacks of the fundamentalists trying to subvert normal protocols

    I am not sure as to whether its a good thing or not - but I dont like the way its being done, and I dont like there not being a debate on it.

    Mr Keegan clearly has an agenda to penalise motorists for entering the city with their car, what he doesnt allow for is the upshot of that, which is to penalise tourists or others ( including many legitimate business people ) who need to take a cab or drive to their destination.

    On another note - pedestrianization is a good thing, by passes are a good thing. Until the local council decide to let super Tescos, woodies etc build on those bypasses - effectively donutizing the town centre and leaving honest to jasyus businesses in the centre devoid of customers because they cant get public transport and parking is too expensive.

    I can think of one town where worthless land became prime "retail park" land because they town council forced Tesco out to the bypass - followed by all the big UK brands - now the town centre is dead and they need to bypass the bypass because its chock full of folks going to tesco !

    Removing cars from the CC - ok once there is a plan to help folks get into town. Removing cars just to "take back the roads" is what this lot are at.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    lawred2 wrote: »
    positive I think you meant

    I know exactly what I mean - its a cynical act trying to get this through under false pretense, and shows they are not to be trusted.

    whether its a good thing to pedestrianize the area is tbd


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    whether its a good thing to pedestrianize the area is tbd

    Why is it a bad thing?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Why is it a bad thing?

    exactly - lets have a debate, not have this rammed through as a "covid measure"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,664 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    exactly - lets have a debate, not have this rammed through as a "covid measure"

    what's the debate?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Ballso


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    exactly - lets have a debate, not have this rammed through as a "covid measure"

    Do you live in the city centre yourself?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    exactly - lets have a debate, not have this rammed through as a "covid measure"

    Wasn't really an answer to the question though. And there's been plenty of debate about it in the past.


  • Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 41,914 Mod ✭✭✭✭Seth Brundle


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    exactly - lets have a debate, not have this rammed through as a "covid measure"
    Well there are plenty of reasons for what they're doing which cover social distancing, encouraging active travel as well as the obvious ones such as making the city centre safer for the majority of people there and making the air cleaner.

    What positives are there for continuing to have the city centre streets congested?
    Will the new changes be good or bad for the majority of businesses in your view because the stats point towards benefits by making changes such as rhese?

    Face it, cars have no place within the core of the city - any city. The fact that people choose the car shows how much of a failure our transport policies have been for decades. City centres are for people, not as a route for you to get from.A to B in a straight line in your car.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,724 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    exactly - lets have a debate, not have this rammed through as a "covid measure"

    In fairness the debate has already been had and the both the Liffey Cycleway and pedestrianisation of College Green got the green light.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 561 ✭✭✭thenightman


    They have had endless debates, public consultations, more debates, more rounds of public consultations, appeals, counter appeals, new plans, rinse repeat over the last decade with the end result of nothing of any significance being changed for the better in and around the city centre. If anything, the Cross City Luas had made things worse for everyone. Now, thanks to Covid we amazingly have segregated cycling on a previously dangerous section of the north quays and DCC acting in spite of handy revenue for themselves by removing on street parking there, increasing what was once a very narrow pavement for pedestrians making the area far more pleasant and SAFE!

    How anybody can argue against these measures is truly beyond me! It's telling the only people doing this arguing are motorists who somehow believe it's their god given right to drive their inefficient space taking vehicles through narrow city centre streets, and lobby groups for car park owners.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    I often see this argument mentioned, mainly in the Journal comments and wonder is it true.

    I would have thought that Dundrum Shopping Centre is what effects Dun Laoighires retail offering which mainly consists of an old and dated shopping centre with very small retail units. Retail has moved on in the last 20 years and the likes of the House of Fraser were never going to set up in DL because retail units there were nowhere near big enough to carry their vast range of stock.

    Definitely. It would be handy for me to shop in Dun Laoghaire but it only has small dingy shops closing at 5-6pm during the week and mostly closed on Sundays too. This used to be fine up until the 1990s but it's only good for pensioners or otherwise unemployed now so its state is reflecting that. The Keegan hate is just an urban legend. Note that you can still drive through George's St and park there, and multiple buses go straight through.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Music Moderators, Politics Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 22,360 CMod ✭✭✭✭Dravokivich


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Anyone who wants to see cars drive right through the middle of the city centre, for no other reason than a rat run, are wrong.

    There's no arguing against that fact, as much as you try.


    BTW, there's loads of threads on it.

    A rat run? The liffey has very limited crossing points and most of them just happen to be in the city. There's only 1 outside of the city that isn't on a motorway.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    This has been on the cards for at least 10 years:

    College Green Plaza - Pedestrianise College Green for 2016
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=64906997


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    A rat run? The liffey has very limited crossing points and most of them just happen to be in the city. There's only 1 outside of the city that isn't on a motorway.

    Why would you need to use College Green?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭1 sheep2


    strandroad wrote: »
    Definitely. It would be handy for me to shop in Dun Laoghaire but it only has small dingy shops closing at 5-6pm during the week and mostly closed on Sundays too. This used to be fine up until the 1990s but it's only good for pensioners or otherwise unemployed now so its state is reflecting that. The Keegan hate is just an urban legend. Note that you can still drive through George's St and park there, and multiple buses go straight through.

    Dun Laoghaire's a strange little place. Surrounded by wealthy Monkstown, Sandycove and Glenageary, with a large stock of affluent housing behind it. In the East Pier it has one of Dublin's most iconic attractions and is only up the road from Sandycove Beach and the Forty Foot, also among the most popular. Its attractive park hosts a popular Sunday market and it is one of few urban places in Dublin with public tennis courts. It has a cinema, a busy theatre and one of the nicest suburban hotels in Dublin outside of the embassy district and, thanks to Keegan, one of Ireland's finest libraries. There's a bustling Wetherspoons, some decent cafes and eateries, and a nationally famous ice cream parlour. Three yacht clubs and a marina bring wealthy people to the area. Add to the mix a hospital and a veterinary practice, and it seems like it should be a dream town. Yet, despite all this, its shops are drab and the high street is filled with undesirables.

    It's difficult to see what Keegan might have done to suppress the town despite all its natural advantages! I think there are two things that count against Dun Laoghaire. First is that George's Street is too long. No town could expect to fill a 1km-long high street as well as a shopping centre. Second is that there is very little commercial development in the area. Places like Blackrock, Ballsbridge and Rathmines are sustained by officer workers at lunchtime and after work. It's a shame, really. Listing its positive qualities emphasises to me what Dun Laoghaire could be.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,988 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    listermint wrote: »
    We need large free parking across all satellite counties and suburbs or close to serviced by regular, tracked bus systems. It should take 40 mins or under to get right into the heart of dublin. That should be the goal.
    Why would you expect free storage space for your private property?
    L1011 wrote: »
    You may want to note that the protesting traders do not, with the possibly exception of Arnotts, sell ironing boards. And the Arnotts ones would be of a premium type you'd just get delivered, even from Arnotts.

    People don't go to the city centre to do food shopping or hardware shopping unless they already live there.
    You also may want to note that the protesting traders are all car park operators. The issue isn't the trading. The issue is their car parking business that they are desperately trying to protect, regardless of the cost on the rest of society.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,863 ✭✭✭RobAMerc


    the only people doing this arguing are motorists who somehow believe it's their god given right to drive their inefficient space taking vehicles through narrow city centre streets, and lobby groups for car park owners.

    :rolleyes::rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,963 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    1 sheep2 wrote: »
    No town could expect to fill a 1km-long high street as well as a shopping centre.

    TWO shopping centres. Rot really sat in when Bloomfields took further traffic away from the main street and the existing S/C


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Jizique


    RobAMerc wrote: »
    :rolleyes::rolleyes:

    Can we please close South William Street, Exchequer Street, Clarendon Street and Drury Street to traffic; this would be a real gamechanger for the city


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭major interest


    As mentioned, there has already been years of debate and arguments surrounding the benefits of pedestrianising parts of our city centres. College green is seen as a big ticket item in this regard and naturally people will gravitate to it. However, it’s part of what should be a broader move to pedestrianise central urban areas leading to better public realm, safety and living standards.

    Some streets in Cork are also currently being ear marked for pedestrianisation. It’s not a great reflection on decision makers that it takes a pandemic to make things happen but ultimately it’s the right direction to take.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭1 sheep2


    Jizique wrote: »
    Can we please close South William Street, Exchequer Street, Clarendon Street and Drury Street to traffic; this would be a real gamechanger for the city

    There remains the problem of car parks. And the risk of doing too much too quickly. I favour 'shared space' streets in that area. Traffic volume is low in the which would enable pedestrians to walk comfortably while moving out of the way of slow-moving traffic. 'Shared space' has the added advantage of being uncomfortable for drivers which would decrease volume further.
    As mentioned, there has already been years of debate and arguments surrounding the benefits of pedestrianising parts of our city centres. College green is seen as a big ticket item in this regard and naturally people will gravitate to it. However, it’s part of what should be a broader move to pedestrianise central urban areas leading to better public realm, safety and living standards.

    Some streets in Cork are also currently being ear marked for pedestrianisation. It’s not a great reflection on decision makers that it takes a pandemic to make things happen but ultimately it’s the right direction to take.

    The way to fix a dysfunctional process is not to opportunistically force through change. If anything, it will increase resistance to change in future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    1 sheep2 wrote: »
    favour 'shared space' streets in that area. Traffic volume is low in the which would enable pedestrians to walk comfortably while moving out of the way of slow-moving traffic.

    Traffic volume is not low on those streets though, very often, regularly, they're bumper to bumper, and dicks regularly beep people crossing in front with no respect or care for people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭1 sheep2


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Traffic volume is not low on those streets though, very often, regularly, they're bumper to bumper, and dicks regularly beep people crossing in front with no respect or care for people.

    I'm a student and was there daily. My experience could hardly be different from yours, apart from maybe during deliveries.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,963 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    1 sheep2 wrote: »
    I'm a student and was there daily. My experience could hardly be different from yours, apart from maybe during deliveries.

    ~5pm it can take ten plus minutes to get down South William Street by car, its that crammed. And that's when many of the businesses will be getting busy.

    Its the most obvious street in the area to be pedestrianised as its got tiny footpaths and loads of food and drink outlets that will need more space outside. Shared space will be no use there.

    There are other streets where shared space setups are fine but they need to be vastly lower traffic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭major interest


    1 sheep2 wrote: »
    There remains the problem of car parks. And the risk of doing too much too quickly. I favour 'shared space' streets in that area. Traffic volume is low in the which would enable pedestrians to walk comfortably while moving out of the way of slow-moving traffic. 'Shared space' has the added advantage of being uncomfortable for drivers which would decrease volume further.



    The way to fix a dysfunctional process is not to opportunistically force through change. If anything, it will increase resistance to change in future.


    I don't disagree with you on that. In fact as I stated it’s a poor reflection on the decision making process in general that it’s only happening now during the pandemic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭1 sheep2


    L1011 wrote: »
    ~5pm it can take ten plus minutes to get down South William Street by car, its that crammed. And that's when many of the businesses will be getting busy.

    Its the most obvious street in the area to be pedestrianised as its got tiny footpaths and loads of food and drink outlets that will need more space outside. Shared space will be no use there.

    There are other streets where shared space setups are fine but they need to be vastly lower traffic.

    5pm? You mean, right at the time that Brown Thomas car park is emptying? At practically every other time, traffic volume is minimal.

    As it happens, I agree that South William could and should be pedestrianised, with BT car park exiting right, back into a 'shared space' Exchequer Street.
    I don't disagree with you on that. In fact as I stated it’s a poor reflection on the decision making process in general that it’s only happening now during the pandemic.

    It's not caused by a failure to take decisions, though. Reports have been done, applications filed. It's a result of a dysfunctional, bureaucratic system that seems to stymie creative thinking at every turn. Every time the system is bypassed, the likelihood of ever reforming it decreases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    1 sheep2 wrote: »
    I'm a student and was there daily. My experience could hardly be different from yours, apart from maybe during deliveries.

    I used to work off just one of those streets at weekends, it was the worse place for traffic in the city, it would be back as far as the Aul Stand trying to wind it's way passed St. Stephens Green.

    Even now when I'm in there traffic is just brutal all afternoon, and forget about it coming up to Christmas, which is worse because the narrow streets around there are packed and you regularly have to step off them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭1 sheep2


    Hurrache wrote: »
    I used to work off just one of those streets at weekends, it was the worse place for traffic in the city, it would be back as far as the Aul Stand trying to wind it's way passed St. Stephens Green.

    Even now when I'm in there traffic is just brutal all afternoon, and forget about it coming up to Christmas, which is worse because the narrow streets around there are packed and you regularly have to step off them.

    We obviously visit different cities.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    1 sheep2 wrote: »
    We obviously visit different cities.

    Perhaps you're only there during the day? Before the lockdown I used to be in the area frequently but only after work or on weekends and the traffic through South William St was bumper to bumper more often than not. There's actually logjams of people on the footpaths because they are too narrow to pass and you can't step out on the road under the cars.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Ballso


    1 sheep2 wrote: »
    We obviously visit different cities.

    Traffic volume is ridiculous around that area, they weekend especially is a joke. Why do people even drive through it? Needs to be pedestrianised, even before college green.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭1 sheep2


    I guess this is just another case of people swearing that O'Connell Street is a zombie wasteland of junkies when it measurably isn't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    1 sheep2 wrote: »
    I guess this is just another case of people swearing that O'Connell Street is a zombie wasteland of junkies when it measurably isn't.

    Or perhaps if several unrelated people disagree with you it's you who is incorrect? Just a thought.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭1 sheep2


    strandroad wrote: »
    Or perhaps if several unrelated people disagree with you it's you who is incorrect? Just a thought.

    Yes, three people contradicting me on the internet is all I need to change my mind about something I've experienced daily for the past several years.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,075 ✭✭✭Jizique


    1 sheep2 wrote: »
    There remains the problem of car parks. And the risk of doing too much too quickly. I favour 'shared space' streets in that area. Traffic volume is low in the which would enable pedestrians to walk comfortably while moving out of the way of slow-moving traffic. 'Shared space' has the added advantage of being uncomfortable for drivers which would decrease volume further.



    The way to fix a dysfunctional process is not to opportunistically force through change. If anything, it will increase resistance to change in future.

    Whatever about the poor car parks and their owners, can you. At least agree that there is no justification for on-Street parking on any of those streets....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭1 sheep2


    Jizique wrote: »
    Whatever about the poor car parks and their owners, can you. At least agree that there is no justification for on-Street parking on any of those streets....

    Can I what? Of course I agree about parking in that area. I don't know what that I said might imply I'm not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,724 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    strandroad wrote: »
    Definitely. It would be handy for me to shop in Dun Laoghaire but it only has small dingy shops closing at 5-6pm during the week and mostly closed on Sundays too. This used to be fine up until the 1990s but it's only good for pensioners or otherwise unemployed now so its state is reflecting that. The Keegan hate is just an urban legend. Note that you can still drive through George's St and park there, and multiple buses go straight through.

    Yeah the retail offering in Dun Laoighire really is pretty dire and its stuck in a time warp. John and Marys haberdashery shop just cant compete with whats on offer in Dundrum. The sheer length of Georges St doesnt help either, Frascati and Nutgrove still do good trade despite Dundrum nearby, probably because shopping there isnt the same hassle it is in DL.

    The Owen Keegan hate seems to be mainly a motorist thing manifested in the Journal comments. He's the anti Christ to some people. Id more see him as a city manager whose heart is in the right place in making it a better place to visit but he struggles through endless bureaucracy in actually getting schemes implemented such as College Green and the Liffey cycle route. He seems to be using his opportunity now though.
    tricky D wrote: »
    This has been on the cards for at least 10 years:

    College Green Plaza - Pedestrianise College Green for 2016
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=64906997

    Was standing in College Green a couple of weeks back and just taking a look around it really is a mess, theres poles, traffic lights and junction boxes everywhere and then the cheapo bollards in the cycle lane to top it off. Its going to take a big effort to upgrade it. Its not even that big of a space, the artists renderings make it look like this giant plaza but when you're there its pretty small overall.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68 ✭✭major interest


    1 sheep2 wrote: »

    It's not caused by a failure to take decisions, though. Reports have been done, applications filed. It's a result of a dysfunctional, bureaucratic system that seems to stymie creative thinking at every turn. Every time the system is bypassed, the likelihood of ever reforming it decreases.

    The bureaucracy by its very nature impacts the speed at which decisions are taken. All the reports and expert advice could point to a particular course of action. However, that still does not guarantee a decision making body (DCC in this instance) will take this action, or maybe they do but at the end of a long drawn out process. In this case, some other unforeseen circumstance (implementing social distancing in a pandemic) has made it “easier” for them to implement a decision that should already have been taken under normal circumstances.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 107 ✭✭1 sheep2


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Yeah the retail offering in Dun Laoighire really is pretty dire and its stuck in a time warp. John and Marys haberdashery shop just cant compete with whats on offer in Dundrum. The sheer length of Georges St doesnt help either, Frascati and Nutgrove still do good trade despite Dundrum nearby, probably because shopping there isnt the same hassle it is in DL.

    The Owen Keegan hate seems to be mainly a motorist thing manifested in the Journal comments. He's the anti Christ to some people. Id more see him as a city manager whose heart is in the right place in making it a better place to visit but he struggles through endless bureaucracy in actually getting schemes implemented such as College Green and the Liffey cycle route. He seems to be using his opportunity now though.

    Was standing in College Green a couple of weeks back and just taking a look around it really is a mess, theres poles, traffic lights and junction boxes everywhere and then the cheapo bollards in the cycle lane to top it off. Its going to take a big effort to upgrade it. Its not even that big of a space, the artists renderings make it look like this giant plaza but when you're there its pretty small overall.

    I was (briefly) in this shop in George's Street looking for shoes. It was like stepping back in time.

    I presume Frescati benefits greatly from the volume of traffic along the Blackrock bypass. But even 'boutique' stores in the village seem able to sustain themselves.

    Keegan did fiddle with traffic routing and increased the price of parking, and at a time when Dun Laoghaire was vulnerable during the recession. But I largely agree that everything he did was a sensible attempt to improve the area. People seem to think he acts on personal whim rather than the recommendations of endless studies.

    Agree that College Green is smaller than might be thought, but what would be gained by it being bigger? When cleared of clutter and, hopefully, trees (trees are for anywhere but a plaza, despite what many think instinctively), the feeling of space will extend all the way down Dame Street and front square of Trinity College will act as an extension. I argued before that its greatest strength is that it gives coherence to the city, acting as the midpoint between Grafton and surrounding streets, Temple Bar and O'Connell/Henry.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,052 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    It should have been done years ago.


    A fu78ing pity that it's the greens it was left to.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,724 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    1 sheep2 wrote: »

    Agree that College Green is smaller than might be thought, but what would be gained by it being bigger? When cleared of clutter and, hopefully, trees (trees are for anywhere but a plaza, despite what many think instinctively), the feeling of space will extend all the way down Dame Street and front square of Trinity College will act as an extension. I argued before that its greatest strength is that it gives coherence to the city, acting as the midpoint between Grafton and surrounding streets, Temple Bar and O'Connell/Henry.

    Yeah it was just when I was standing there and it was pretty empty i was thinking back to the artists rendering of it and which shows this great big expansive space but when you're there it feels pretty small. But if they clean up the clutter and remove the trees next to Starbucks it would open it up a lot more. The plaza also has the benefit of making Dame St a cul de sac so that should improve things all along the street and with the old Central Bank coming on stream as a hotel, restaurants and retail the street will get rejuvenated. DCC just need to get all the landlords along Dame St to actually powerwash their buildings then and properly clean the street, if you look up they are all absolutely caked in years worth of grime and road dust.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    1 sheep2 wrote: »
    I guess this is just another case of people swearing that O'Connell Street is a zombie wasteland of junkies when it measurably isn't.

    Several people have been telling you the reality.

    514050.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    Hurrache wrote: »
    Several people have been telling you the reality.

    514050.jpg

    Indeed, a very representative photo.

    An entire street blocked for the convenience of a handful of drivers. Imagine how many people could walk or cycle down this street instead, in the same space pictured. And how much easier it would be to actually enjoy the businesses lining it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 465 ✭✭Ballso


    strandroad wrote: »
    Indeed, a very representative photo.

    An entire street blocked for the convenience of a handful of drivers. Imagine how many people could walk or cycle down this street instead, in the same space pictured. And how much easier it would be to actually enjoy the businesses lining it.

    Where are they going like?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,786 ✭✭✭wakka12


    That picture is just a real sickener, but indeed is very reminsicent of much of my experiences on the street. No other western countries except UK and USA would choke such a beautiful street oozing so much potential with cars , and the on street parking alongside some of the meanest pedestrian footpaths in the city just takes the effin cake

    Have to laugh at the posters at the beginning crying about drivers in the pedestrians are 'punished', no theyre not, they are priortitised, pedestrians and cyclists are punished, just look at the above pedestrian experience on one of Dublin's premiere street for cafe and restaurant offerings, disgraceful!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,724 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Its an awful street, Ive often gone up it on the motorbike and its so narrow with all the parked cars you cant get beyond the phalanx of SUVs, they are so wide and there just isnt the space to get around them. So you're left there like an eejit sitting on a motorbike in a traffic jam which completely defeats the point of a motorbike. It happened me one day in a torrential downpour, was literally getting drenched and couldnt move an inch for about six or seven minutes. I avoid it at all costs now because the traffic jams on it back all the way up to the traffic lights out onto Clanbrassil St.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,640 ✭✭✭✭OldGoat


    To be fair a lot of those cars in the photo are commercial vehicles and have no option but to use the city center.

    I'm older than Minecraft goats.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    There's 2 commercial vehicles driving, and 1 parked. That's a small minority.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,963 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Hurrache wrote: »
    There's 2 commercial vehicles driving, and 1 parked. That's a small minority.

    There's a Focus van also in the parking/loading bay but its still not even half of the vehicles there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,319 ✭✭✭✭Hurrache


    Actually, yeah, I saw the Focus, didn't really register.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,552 Mod ✭✭✭✭Amirani


    OldGoat wrote: »
    To be fair a lot of those cars in the photo are commercial vehicles and have no option but to use the city center.

    Imagine how much easier it would be for said commercial vehicles if they didn't have to sit in traffic behind private cars?


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