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2020 GUI Cups & Shields

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    #272
    tbayers
    Registered Users Posts: 501 ✭✭✭tbayers


    Snotty wrote: »
    Started this morning in Donegal, looks like only Jimmy Bruen teams out so far, it can be followed here

    https://www.golfireland.ie/inter-club#/schedule

    Berehaven won the Bruen. No surprise there at all, as was predicted last year


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    #273
    opinionated3
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    ..... And Spanish point cruising to another PP shield, as will shock absolutely no one😡


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    #274
    DuckSlice
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    Are these being played to last years handicaps?


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    #275
    opinionated3
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    DuckSlice wrote: »
    Are these being played to last years handicaps?

    It's the same panels as last year, so I assume so. Bigger question is do the same players qualify to play the same competitions this year again?


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    #276
    Ronney
    Registered Users Posts: 840 ✭✭✭Ronney


    DuckSlice wrote: »
    Are these being played to last years handicaps?

    These are the 2020 Finals so being played off the lowest H/C from 2019

    This years comp are off new WHI at 1/1/21


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    #277
    opinionated3
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    Ronney wrote: »
    These are the 2020 Finals so being played off the lowest H/C from 2019

    This years comp are off new WHI at 1/1/21

    But are the winning players today not cut in their handicap? Which means their handicap index should be back dated to January? Otherwise the same panel could potentially be out again in a few weeks time in the first round?


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    #278
    Poker Face
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭Poker Face


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    But are the winning players today not cut in their handicap? Which means their handicap index should be back dated to January? Otherwise the same panel could potentially be out again in a few weeks time in the first round?

    Not sure if they are cut. Going to keep an eye on it and see if they will be. Everyone should be cut 3 shots minimum!!


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    #279
    Rikand
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    Spanish point are unreal. Is that 4 pierce purcell crowns now in the last 7 or 8 years. And not just winning, two of their matches won by 7 holes. Sensational


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    #280
    1 of 7
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    I read on Twitter two 15 handicappers won 7 & 6 for Spanish Point.


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    #281
    opinionated3
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    Rikand wrote: »
    Spanish point are unreal. Is that 4 pierce purcell crowns now in the last 7 or 8 years. And not just winning, two of their matches won by 7 holes. Sensational

    You say "sensational". Others would have a different word for it.


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    #282
    Rikand
    Registered Users Posts: 20,348 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    You say "sensational". Others would have a different word for it.

    Well that's very opinionated of you :)


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    #283
    slingerz
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    opinionated3 wrote: »
    You say "sensational". Others would have a different word for it.

    It beggars belief that such small clubs can be so successful on a national scale each year


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    #284
    Sir montygom
    Registered Users Posts: 184 ✭✭Sir montygom


    Rikand wrote: »
    Spanish point are unreal. Is that 4 pierce purcell crowns now in the last 7 or 8 years. And not just winning, two of their matches won by 7 holes. Sensational

    They were very unlucky not to win 7 out of the last 8 .....Golf can be a cruel game ....I would think some players on that team could have 3 medals..... The club captains must be very proud of their achievements !


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    #285
    evillive
    Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭evillive


    slingerz wrote: »
    It beggars belief that such small clubs can be so successful on a national scale each year

    As a member of a perceived smaller club who has has success in one or two of the interclubs
    in recent times, we find that a lot of the more reputable, household name clubs
    we get to play often don't bother to practice our 'mickey mouse' course and especially
    when they have the home draw bank on winning all their games at home. We send strong
    Singles/pairs away who have done their homework/practice, then if we go ahead in the
    matches and they have no plan B!!.
    Add in then the value of local knowledge, making use of players on the way down the handicap where you use last year's lowest and some underdog motivation and team mentality commitment and it's not surprising the smaller clubs can 'punch above their weight'!! Long may the underestimation continue!!

    Of course whenever we get a good panel in a competition and start fancying ourselves, we have fallen foul of our own over confidence


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    #286
    opinionated3
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    evillive wrote: »
    As a member of a perceived smaller club who has has success in one or two of the interclubs
    in recent times, we find that a lot of the more reputable, household name clubs
    we get to play often don't bother to practice our 'mickey mouse' course and especially
    when they have the home draw bank on winning all their games at home. We send strong
    Singles/pairs away who have done their homework/practice, then if we go ahead in the
    matches and they have no plan B!!.
    Add in then the value of local knowledge, making use of players on the way down the handicap where you use last year's lowest and some underdog motivation and team mentality commitment and it's not surprising the smaller clubs can 'punch above their weight'!! Long may the underestimation continue!!

    Of course whenever we get a good panel in a competition and start fancying ourselves, we have fallen foul of our own over confidence

    With all due respect, I don't think there was any underestimation of the winning team this year ........
    The comments on Twitter will tell you all you need to know.


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    #287
    slingerz
    Registered Users Posts: 5,249 ✭✭✭slingerz


    evillive wrote: »
    As a member of a perceived smaller club who has has success in one or two of the interclubs
    in recent times, we find that a lot of the more reputable, household name clubs
    we get to play often don't bother to practice our 'mickey mouse' course and especially
    when they have the home draw bank on winning all their games at home. We send strong
    Singles/pairs away who have done their homework/practice, then if we go ahead in the
    matches and they have no plan B!!.
    Add in then the value of local knowledge, making use of players on the way down the handicap where you use last year's lowest and some underdog motivation and team mentality commitment and it's not surprising the smaller clubs can 'punch above their weight'!! Long may the underestimation continue!!

    Of course whenever we get a good panel in a competition and start fancying ourselves, we have fallen foul of our own over confidence

    While that is all well and good it stands to reason that a smaller club will struggle to produce a team to perform year on year in national competitions when the qualifying standard for those competitions are set at a specific level. If they are young players they should be coming down, similarly old mid handicaps should either drop slightly or else decline out of competitiveness.

    Any amount of preparation or tactical approach cannot counterbalance these


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    #288
    callaway92
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    Yeh, for something like Purcell it makes complete sense that success should only be in spurts/maybe two-years max.

    Anything more is beyond luck/skill. It’s not right.


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    #289
    LuckyGent88
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    Iv been giving out and complaining for years about Spanish point. I actually know some of them and have played many matches against them.

    At least 5 of the starting 10 players in the final could and should be off single figures. That team would be and very often is there Jimmy bruen team too and they are difficult to beat.

    The players are all nice fellas but for whatever reason just like looking after their handicaps collectively for winning these inter club comps and also classics.

    The scary thing about their team is that they are missing 4 players who previously played with them. They could have been even stronger. Sure the furthest the Hehir’s went was the 16th. They are the chief architects of all of it.


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    #290
    opinionated3
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    As a fellow golfer said to me at the weekend "don't worry about it, there isn't a golfer out there that will give them any credit". .....


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    #291
    Rikand
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    Players used to get cut a number of shots when they were part of a team that won an interclub. Does that still happen ?


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    #292
    opinionated3
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    Rikand wrote: »
    Players used to get cut a number of shots when they were part of a team that won an interclub. Does that still happen ?

    I'm wondering that myself, especially this year. The interclub comps start pretty soon. Surely the winning clubs can't put out the exact same panels again this year?


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    #293
    evillive
    Registered Users Posts: 445 ✭✭evillive


    opinionated3 wrote: »
    With all due respect, I don't think there was any underestimation of the winning team this year ........
    The comments on Twitter will tell you all you need to know.[/Q

    I was just responding to the comment about small non big prestigious clubs doing well in general and my own experience, not referring to the club you are talking about,
    more perhaps the situation of the 4 teams that made the JB final none a previous winner so a new name on that roll of honour


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    #294
    opinionated3
    Registered Users Posts: 2,147 ✭✭✭opinionated3


    evillive wrote: »
    opinionated3 wrote: »
    With all due respect, I don't think there was any underestimation of the winning team this year ........
    The comments on Twitter will tell you all you need to know.[/Q

    I was just responding to the comment about small non big prestigious clubs doing well in general and my own experience, not referring to the club you are talking about,
    more perhaps the situation of the 4 teams that made the JB final none a previous winner so a new name on that roll of honour

    My apologies..... Misinterpreted your post. I think Luckygent is familiar with what we are getting at here. I've no issue with size or quality of clubs that win. Everyone who plays golf in Clare knows the story. And it's pretty pathetic tbh.....


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    #295
    Poker Face
    Registered Users Posts: 407 ✭✭Poker Face


    Rikand wrote: »
    Players used to get cut a number of shots when they were part of a team that won an interclub. Does that still happen ?

    Not happened yet anyway, looked up a couple of people who won Pierce Purcell


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    #296
    NedBagg
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    Poker Face wrote: »
    Not happened yet anyway, looked up a couple of people who won Pierce Purcell

    Pretty sure they don't get cut for winning ... I would guess that most of their players will be playing PP again this year.. Im managing a PP team this year and you wonder what is the point.. to win an All ire final by that score is not right But then as lads have said SP are known for it... In my pairings if they break 80 in a round then I see that as exceptional score and none have done it yet..but I keep telling them that is where they have to get to.. I think 80 and below may be the norm for some clubs... What these guys are doing is cheating pure and simple... what say the GUI??


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    #297
    willabur
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    It sounds extremely dubious

    Sounds like they have a team of potentially single figure handicappers who barely play rounds for handicapping purposes. To be that consistent is suspect given the nature of golfers is to be inconsistent - everyone can see their golf handicap history, I bet you most peoples looks like a Sin/Cos wave


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    #298
    prawnsambo
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    willabur wrote: »
    It sounds extremely dubious

    Sounds like they have a team of potentially single figure handicappers who barely play rounds for handicapping purposes. To be that consistent is suspect given the nature of golfers is to be inconsistent - everyone can see their golf handicap history, I bet you most peoples looks like a Sin/Cos wave
    Can they? Where?


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    #299
    willabur
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭willabur


    sorry, I meant everyone can see their own golf handicap history. Trying to make a point that the golfer who plays at pierce purcell level will hit their handicap 8 times out of 20 by definition. Arriving to competition with one of your 8 great rounds ready to go is quite a skill set to have


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    #300
    Pdoghue
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    willabur wrote: »
    sorry, I meant everyone can see their own golf handicap history. Trying to make a point that the golfer who plays at pierce purcell level will hit their handicap 8 times out of 20 by definition. Arriving to competition with one of your 8 great rounds ready to go is quite a skill set to have

    Players who play Pierce Purcell or any interclub will have arrived at their handicap by virtue of their best 8 scores out of 20 prior to 1 January. By the time it comes to May or June when the competition starts quite a few players, especially young lads, will be playing to a better level than that. I actually think the interclubs would be better if they had handicap limits based on up to date handicaps. But then I suppose you'd have lads protecting their handicaps to stay on the team.

    Regarding the comments about a certain PP team having half the lads on it being single figure players in reality makes a mockery of the whole thing.


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    #301
    willabur
    Registered Users Posts: 1,611 ✭✭✭willabur


    Pdoghue wrote: »
    Players who play Pierce Purcell or any interclub will have arrived at their handicap by virtue of their best 8 scores out of 20 prior to 1 January. By the time it comes to May or June when the competition starts quite a few players, especially young lads, will be playing to a better level than that. I actually think the interclubs would be better if they had handicap limits based on up to date handicaps. But then I suppose you'd have lads protecting their handicaps to stay on the team.

    Regarding the comments about a certain PP team having half the lads on it being single figure players in reality makes a mockery of the whole thing.

    That's it. Anyone can have a seriously hot streak on a given day or couple of days but for multiple lads on the same team doing in in the same tournament year after year....


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