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UFC 249 - Ferguson v Gaethje Sat May 9th

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    #182
    MidlanderMan
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    Dom vs Jose for the vacant title?


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    #183
    sydthebeat
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    Ref knew what was coming...

    Informed the decision


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    #184
    mangobob
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    Dom is right.


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    #185
    MrStuffins
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    mangobob wrote: »
    Dom is right.

    True.

    But I also think the ref is right to stop a fight whereby the fighter has been knocked down and has taken 11 unanswered punches to the head, in a turtle position, without an attempt to block any of them.

    It's not black and white.


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    #186
    LollipopJimmy
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    That was a righteous stoppage for me, I know he was standing back up but far too many shots landing to allow it to continue


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    #187
    MidlanderMan
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    True.

    But I also think the ref is right to stop a fight whereby the fighter has been knocked down and has taken 11 unanswered punches to the head, in a turtle position, without an attempt to block any of them.

    It's not black and white.

    He wasn't trutled, he was trying to stand up and was on his fight by the time the ref jumped between them.


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    #188
    MrStuffins
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    MidlanderMan wrote: »
    He wasn't trutled, he was trying to stand up and was on his fight by the time the ref jumped between them.

    Maybe. But he was continuing to get pummeled without an attempt to defend himself.

    If you can't see why a ref might stop a fight there, I don't know what to tell you


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    #189
    SlowBlowin
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    I think that was an early stoppage, but very close, the fact he scrambled to his feet (nearly) I think the ref should have looked at the next exchange.


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    #190
    Cupatae
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    snoopboggybog wrote: »
    ? Was really looking forward to this fight. Will be fight of the night.

    Told ya all someone would be goin to sleep! snoozefest :D:D


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    #191
    MidlanderMan
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    Maybe. But he was continuing to get pummeled without an attempt to defend himself.

    If you can't see why a ref might stop a fight there, I don't know what to tell you

    Standing up is defending yourself by imporving your position.


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    #192
    SlowBlowin
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    LollipopJimmy wrote: »
    That was a righteous stoppage for me, I know he was standing back up but far too many shots landing to allow it to continue

    After the knee only the follow up punch landed, nothing after that was very clean or powerful.


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    #193
    Cupatae
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    mailburner wrote: »
    not a great stoppage imo

    he wasn't out, was in trouble but should have been given a little longer

    had herb dean been reffing it wouldnt have been stopped so soon

    Yeah cant get buried witha knee and drilled with about 11 unanswered punches he cant complain imo.


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    #194
    MrStuffins
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    MidlanderMan wrote: »
    Standing up is defending yourself by imporving your position.

    He was on his hands and knees getting pummeled. Game over!


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    #195
    sydthebeat
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    Fergusons in De fifth


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    #196
    MidlanderMan
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    He was on his hands and knees getting pummeled. Game over!

    He was on his feet when the ref stepped in, the knee and follow up landed clean, everything else was a winged arm punch to the shoulder or neck.


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    #197
    SlowBlowin
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    Please, please live up to expectations....


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    #198
    mangobob
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    MrStuffins wrote: »
    True.

    But I also think the ref is right to stop a fight whereby the fighter has been knocked down and has taken 11 unanswered punches to the head, in a turtle position, without an attempt to block any of them.

    It's not black and white.


    Indeed. The very fact that different people can watch the same event, even after multiple replays, and still disagree on the call shows how subjective it is.

    I have sympathy for the ref here because he has a split second to make a call and as you say its not as if a case cannot be made for a stoppage.

    But for me it was premature and it was clear that Cruz was not out of it. Simply getting hurt and taking a barrage of shots while you are getting to your feet should not be the signal to stop a fight. We have all seen fighters survive much worse that than and Dom was clearly getting back to his feet. In my view, the fighter has to be clearly out of it with no realistic prospect of being able to continue. Then again I get that the ref has a responsibility toward the fighters safety and well being.

    I just feel we need more clarity on what should and should not constitute a stoppage. I dont know what the solution is. Perhaps if refs were had more high level fight experience themselves they would have a better feel for when a fighter is still in the fight and when they need to be saved.

    I 100% believe Dom in this case.


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    #199
    boreder
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    There was also only 2 seconds left in the round. He should know that too.


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    #200
    sydthebeat
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    Already bored


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    #201
    MidlanderMan
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    10-9 JG easy,


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    #202
    MrStuffins
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    Good first round. Justin looking sharp!


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    #203
    SlowBlowin
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    Tony looking angry


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    #204
    Cupatae
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    ferguson gonna finish him late gaejthe blowin his wad these rounds


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    #205
    MrStuffins
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    Some pair of chins in there!


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    #206
    MidlanderMan
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    Tony's Chin is just hanging out there. Im not a fan of Conor as a person but I reckon he'd starch Tony.


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    #207
    ricero
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    Tony isn't human


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    #208
    SlowBlowin
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    Looks like Tony will wear him down to a finish this round..


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    #209
    mangobob
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    Fergusons Dome is made of concrete.

    JG's best chance is to wreck his legs. He doesnt seem like he can knock him out.


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    #210
    EagererBeaver
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    boreder wrote: »
    There was also only 2 seconds left in the round. He should know that too.

    Irrelevant.

    Gaethje needs to be careful here with the pace. Good fight so far.


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    #211
    mailburner
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    only a matter of time for tony round 4


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