Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

opinionated3

opinionated3 wrote: »

Anyone else hear of the quotes attributed to a professor Gerry Killeen this morning on RTE? Utterly depressing stuff if what he says is true. Might as well turn the key shut on the economy and all our mental health......

What did he say?

prunudo

opinionated3 wrote: »

Anyone else hear of the quotes attributed to a professor Gerry Killeen this morning on RTE? Utterly depressing stuff if what he says is true. Might as well turn the key shut on the economy and all our mental health......

Is that the guy from one of the Cork universities, if so, he was on the tonight show last week, scaremongering of the highest order. People like this shouldn't be given a voice in the media only feeds into anxiety and fear.

Ginger n Lemon

lord quackinton wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0525/1140341-vat-receipts-coronavirus/

Good morning
Reality is coming and it’s people who will be received state benefits and those who are on low incomes that will be hit the most as cuts will hurt financially and also affect them on education, health, housing
- this crisis is not going to make us a socialist nirvana, it will lead to more of the haves and have nots just as did post 2008 but much worse this time

People just need to wake up , everything is not going to be ok

Very good article.

"The biggest decline in VAT is expected to be from lower spending on transport, followed by restaurants and bars."

It is very obvious that we rely on pubs and restaurants A LOT for VAT revenue, a very significant 2bn + VAT revenue. And they need to be assisted not burdened with covid monitor employees or requiring to get a silly "covid insurance" OR that business bankrupting 2m rule. go 1m like most developed European countries, or 1.5m max.

plodder

opinionated3 wrote: »

Anyone else hear of the quotes attributed to a professor Gerry Killeen this morning on RTE? Utterly depressing stuff if what he says is true. Might as well turn the key shut on the economy and all our mental health......

I heard it, and thought it was a terrible interview. He was saying the curve needs to be crushed rather than flattened. The interviewer didn't ask how it would be kept out after it is crushed though. I'd like to hear a proper interview with him though where he is asked some harder questions.

opinionated3

[Deleted User] wrote: »

What did he say?

Basically that ANY relaxation of restrictions is going to lead to a devastating second wave, that the current lockdown isn't strict enough and should have been implemented way sooner than it actually was

Topgear on Dave

Deleted User wrote: »

What did he say?

Here is some of the general gist.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/guaranteed-that-second-wave-will-come-when-they-ease-restrictions-says-ucc-professor-1001500.html

We are doomed basically.

Popquiz_hotshot

Time to legalise weed along with opening "cafes" etc. Regulate it and the revenue from the tax alone on it will help the economy recover!

JRant

It's a very human trait to be slow relinquishing power and that what we are seeing now. The CMO, NPHET, and the other scientist don't want to let go of the reigns. This is where strong leadership is required to keep them in check. Unfortunately we have a bunch of soft ministers Leo at the helm who are afraid to take any sort of responsibility.

plodder

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Here is some of the general gist.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/guaranteed-that-second-wave-will-come-when-they-ease-restrictions-says-ucc-professor-1001500.html

We are doomed basically.

Though Heather Humphreys was on after him and pointed out that we should have a vaccine long before four years. Pity the interviewer didnt ask him about that.

Whirlaway

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Here is some of the general gist.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/guaranteed-that-second-wave-will-come-when-they-ease-restrictions-says-ucc-professor-1001500.html

We are doomed basically.

Are we seeing this doomday scenario in other countries that are easing restrictions? Was that question put to him? Or is it too early to tell?

Blaze420

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Here is some of the general gist.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/guaranteed-that-second-wave-will-come-when-they-ease-restrictions-says-ucc-professor-1001500.html

We are doomed basically.

Scaremongering bull****, has there been evidence of a 2nd wave in any country that eased restrictions yet (and by wave I mean a big increase not a couple of new cases)? Nope. Even if there would be 2nd wave there would also be 3rd, 4th, 5th waves etc if lockdown was repeated and eased over and over until a vaccine is available. It's hard to understand what world these "lockdown forever" merchants live in but it's not reality.

ixoy

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Here is some of the general gist.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/guaranteed-that-second-wave-will-come-when-they-ease-restrictions-says-ucc-professor-1001500.html

We are doomed basically.

Damn, someone should send him to Denmark, Germany et all quick!

manniot2

Did anyone see Virgin Media News jump in viewing figures over the last few months? Massive. Its no wonder they have the peddlers of doom on constantly, everyone glued to the 5.30 news when noone watched it previously.

stephenjmcd

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Here is some of the general gist.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/guaranteed-that-second-wave-will-come-when-they-ease-restrictions-says-ucc-professor-1001500.html

We are doomed basically.

Why is he still getting air time. He's been peddling doom and nonsense for the last 2 months with nothing to back it up.

This is why someone people are scared listening to that crap

snotboogie

opinionated3 wrote: »

Basically that ANY relaxation of restrictions is going to lead to a devastating second wave, that the current lockdown isn't strict enough and should have been implemented way sooner than it actually was

I saw him on with Vincent Browne and didn't think his take was that bad. Basically we are half arsing the lock down and would be better off completely shutting down the country for a few months rather than muddling on at 60%-80% for years until a vaccine is rolled out. However as the above poster noted, it wasn't put to him how we would keep the virus out. Do we have mandatory 2 week isolation in monitored hotels for all those who enter the country for the next 5 years? Do we start to police the border with Northern Ireland?

faceman

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Here is some of the general gist.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/guaranteed-that-second-wave-will-come-when-they-ease-restrictions-says-ucc-professor-1001500.html

We are doomed basically.

I’ve nowhere near any qualification or experience that he has. However his claims don’t align with many in the international science world or that virology law which name I can’t remember that is used for determining the impact of virus in the community. (The model that was originally created in the 1800’s)

Ginger n Lemon

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Here is some of the general gist.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/guaranteed-that-second-wave-will-come-when-they-ease-restrictions-says-ucc-professor-1001500.html

We are doomed basically.

An academic who has lost touch with reality. He'd be surprised but majority of people would rather keep their job and be exposed to covid19 than lose their jobs and live in a "covid free" country. 203 euro a week isnt all that attractive after a while.

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Prof Killeen said there was no doubt that a lot of businesses would close and the restrictions would have a huge impact on people’s lives. For some they had already gone past the point of no return, he said and some would never recover."

plodder

I think a second wave probably is inevitable, but I don't see how staying in lockdown at this time will prevent it. We need to get the economy moving so we can prepare for future waves.

Rodin

Cina wrote: »

Absolutely.

Though my partner already travels about 25km (within Dublin, on the M50) to see her family once a week. But only to sit outside in their garden and not get within 2km of them, so it's fine.

It just makes no sense that it's OK for someone to do that within Dublin limits but I'm barred from doing the exact same with my family because they live in their country. Here's hoping I actually get to do it before late July, now.

Why is it fine?
The limit is 5k

ixoy

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Prof Killeen said there was no doubt that a lot of businesses would close and the restrictions would have a huge impact on people’s lives[/B]. For some they had already gone past the point of no return, he said and some would never recover."

I suspect the professor isn't someone who has lost his job or suffered hugely financially in a lock-down situation.

Topgear on Dave

ixoy wrote: »

I suspect the professor isn't someone who has lost his job or suffered hugely financially in a lock-down situation.

+1, I switched off.

Lets watch what happens in Europe as winter approaches. Plan for the worst just in case and hope for the best.

Everybody will be gone round the bend listening to him.

PhilOssophy

Alan Kelly wants 2m to be reduced to 1m, since when did he (and many other TD's) become experts in public health and the transmission of infectious diseases?
Whether or not he is right I don't know, but I think we shouldn't be listening to TD's when it comes to these sort of things. Its bad enough listening to him on things he might know something about.

Ginger n Lemon

ixoy wrote: »

I suspect the professor isn't someone who has lost his job or suffered hugely financially in a lock-down situation.

He seems to be well renowned for wanting to eradicate stuff, just non stop


"A scientist at University College Cork has warned that urgent action is needed to help to eradicate malaria."

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-based-scientist-issues-stark-warning-over-malaria-4a0c9071-1514-4247-9fdb-b3d79842a02d-ds

Someone needs to tell him how reality works

faceman

Here's the second wave right here. Shocking that this is considered non essential

https://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/health-features/my-cancer-is-back-and-my-pet-scan-has-been-postponed-i-am-worried-it-has-spread-39226451.html

WesternZulu

Nothing new with politicians being populist though.
Anything to further their own political gain.

plodder

Rubbish post. He is perfectly entitled to ask why the WHO are saying 1 metre and we are sticking with 2, and if he doesn't get a good answer, to call for it to change to 1 metre.

faceman

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

He seems to be well renowned for wanting to eradicate stuff, just non stop


"A scientist at University College Cork has warned that urgent action is needed to help to eradicate malaria."

https://www.echolive.ie/corknews/Cork-based-scientist-issues-stark-warning-over-malaria-4a0c9071-1514-4247-9fdb-b3d79842a02d-ds

Someone needs to tell him how reality works

Actually there is a greater point here. Malaria kills 1 million people every year, 90% of which occur in Africa. The mortality rate of children under 5 is high, 3,000 children die daily. 70% of malaria cases are drug resistant.

If malaria was a problem in the US or Europe, we would have had a vaccine or cure a long time ago.

average_runner

faceman wrote: »

Here's the second wave right here. Shocking that this is considered non essential

https://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/health-features/my-cancer-is-back-and-my-pet-scan-has-been-postponed-i-am-worried-it-has-spread-39226451.html

They have started to reopen all the essential hospital services now. My cousin got her chemo last week and my dad hospital appointment is on this week.


This article is good
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/why-do-some-covid-19-patients-infect-many-others-whereas-most-don-t-spread-virus-all


I say we can relax our outdoor restrictions, but need to control the pubs, keep nightclubs shut and no concerts or stadium sports with a crowd

facehugger99

plodder wrote: »

I heard it, and thought it was a terrible interview. He was saying the curve needs to be crushed rather than flattened. The interviewer didn't ask how it would be kept out after it is crushed though. I'd like to hear a proper interview with him though where he is asked some harder questions.

Another arsehole pontificating from his cushy ivory tower.

These lads haven't spent a day in the real economy in decades.

super_furry

PhilOssophy wrote: »

Whether or not he is right I don't know, but I think we shouldn't be listening to TD's when it comes to these sort of things.

I don't know if you're right or not, but I think we shouldn't be listening to random internet people when it comes to these sort of things.