Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

Penfailed

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

We will not be back to normal.

Of course we will...eventually. Even if it's a new normal.

ZX7R

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

The Franco-German plan links the debt to a harmonised tax base.

I had not realized that a decision had been made on repayments thanks for the info.

stephenjmcd

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

You wanting to thank a post more than once that we will be back to normal. We will not be back to normal.

Of course things will be back to normal eventually. There'll be more of focus on hygiene when normal returns, cough or sniffle you dont go to work or social events etc.
But normal will eventually return.

MrDavid1976

ZX7R wrote: »

I had not realized that a decision had been made on repayments thanks for the info.

No decision made. That was the Franco German proposition. The Commission will now make a proposal - probably for 1 trillion but they may seek to link to reforms also. Whether Member States accept those conditions is a different things.

Micky 32

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

You wanting to thank a post more than once that we will be back to normal. We will not be back to normal.

Just because you’re a gloom and doomist. It’s actually nice to see a positive post . You’re deluded and will be very disappointed if you think life won’t eventually go back to some normality, get over yourself.

iamwhoiam

I will wash my hand 75 times a day , queue at every shop , sanitize my hand till they are raw, wipe down all surfaces and be extra careful if I can just see my family and friends and sit together

snowcat

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I will wash my hand 75 times a day , queue at every shop , sanitize my hand till they are raw, wipe down all surfaces and be extra careful if I can just see my family and friends and sit together

We are in this together. You are doing a good job. The R value is consistant. Keep at it. You will be able to see your family around phase 5. Just once the second peak has passed and we crush the curve.

iamwhoiam

snowcat wrote: »

We are in this together. You are doing a good job. The R value is consistant. Keep at it. You will be able to see your family around phase 5. Just once the second peak has passed and we crush the curve.

Made me laugh anyway !!

CruelSummer

Interesting article from Fergal Bowers I read this morning:

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0522/1140072-we-need-clear-leadership-to-help-us-navigate-the-summer/

He doesn't come right out and say anything, but a few excerpts buried deep down in the article were intersting:

"Some of the overall messaging has been irritating for people. The difference between hardware and homeware being a case in point.
Adults are citizens, not children, and they do not take kindly at this most difficult time, to any feeling of being lectured to. Advice on whether people can put up new curtains, or should avoid talking (within a safe distance) with an elderly friend or neighbour is not helpful."

"People will expect that the emergency controls arising from public health advice should only last as long as absolutely necessary. Getting the balance right in this is perhaps one of the greatest challenges facing any Government, which also has to bear in mind the social and economic costs."

He tries to keep a balance and not go in any direction. But effectively we have our elected politicians hiding behind a CMO and NPHET, who have themselves well and truly covered with their ultra conservative approach - with no consideration given to our current economic, social and health trajectory (outside of Covid). - this is my own view btw at the end. Fergal doesn't give away much.

RobitTV

Some good news from the year 2050:

'88-year old George Lee is reporting live from the COVID-50 press conference where Tony Holohan is set to give an update about how far we have come as a nation and how we are continuing to flatten the curve'

Tony Holohan: 'I can report today that the country has reported 0 new cases of coronavirus, but we still aren't over the worst yet and i think the 5km radius will now have to stay until we reach -0.0 cases per day'

'I know it's been 30 years, but me and Simon Harris agree that the country is not ready yet and we aren't doing enough to contain this virus and flatten the curve'

'Phase 1000 will now be activated and will last until August of 2055'

MrDavid1976

Micky 32 wrote: »

Just because you’re a gloom and doomist. It’s actually nice to see a positive post . You’re deluded and will be very disappointed if you think life won’t eventually go back to some normality, get over yourself.

Ok. Let’s be positive, everything is great. We keep up the lockdown and no effect to business and society. Happy days.

iamwhoiam

CruelSummer wrote: »

Interesting article from Fergal Bowers I read this morning:

https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2020/0522/1140072-we-need-clear-leadership-to-help-us-navigate-the-summer/

He doesn't come right out and say anything, but a few excerpts buried deep down in the article were intersting:

"Some of the overall messaging has been irritating for people. The difference between hardware and homeware being a case in point.
Adults are citizens, not children, and they do not take kindly at this most difficult time, to any feeling of being lectured to. Advice on whether people can put up new curtains, or should avoid talking (within a safe distance) with an elderly friend or neighbour is not helpful."

"People will expect that the emergency controls arising from public health advice should only last as long as absolutely necessary. Getting the balance right in this is perhaps one of the greatest challenges facing any Government, which also has to bear in mind the social and economic costs."

He tries to keep a balance and not go in any direction. But effectively we have our elected politicians hiding behind a CMO and NPHET, who have themselves well and truly covered with their ultra conservative approach - with no consideration given to our current economic, social and health trajectory (outside of Covid). - this is my own view btw at the end. Fergal doesn't give away much.

I think some of the problem is that Tony and NPHET are all clucking together in the hen house and making each other nervous of the the big bad fox out there
They talk all day about data , R , deaths , cases, tracking , tracing , deaths , ICU beds , isolation , deaths , children , mask, gloves, deaths , and numbers
They have lost grip on reality and on whats actually going on and are caught in the bubble of fear .
Outside the people have lost the fear of the fox and are facing him head on and looking him in the eye .We know that people are struggling and kids are getting more and more anxious and we know that fear will not beat us .NPHET are still collectively in the throes of fear and cannot see beyond it because they all hang around with each other worrying and fretting .

Ginger n Lemon

ZX7R wrote: »

You post is very miss informed and as for the article it is piss poor reporting.
The 500 billion will be the first of a probable 3 that will be created by the EU commission.
The purchase of theses funds is for economic development and stimulus
It can be used only for that purpose for EU members opening up there economy's.
Although not decided yet the Bond's are believed that they will have a 100 year dividends or a collective interest rate of probably zero.
Social benefits will have to be made up by money from each countries exchequer as there economy's begin to recover.

I am unsure where you are getting your data from but it does seem to be "not decided" as you yourself indicate.

The EU stimulus proposed by France Germany is that EU will BORROW money, and give that money out to EU member states as grants/free money (not loan).

Austria, Sweden, Netherlands and Belgium I believe (unsure about Belgium) already oppose this. You see EU is borrowing money, so that money will have to be repaid, by the EU, by the 27 EU member states depending on their "capacity" to repay. Unless Ireland turns into Greece or Cyprus (which I honestly hope they wont) we will be repaying it.

So in theory- short term, Ireland will get some free money but in the long term if we have a developed economy that is better than Greece, Cyprus etc etc we will suffer. In the long term.

The reason Sweden, Netherlands, Austria oppose this is because those countries dont need any free money or extra money. They will do just fine, what they dont want happening is having to pay back money on Irelands/Greece/Cyprus behalf.

I'd provide a link as I always do but i am on the phone, but if you want to check out more google politico.eu and theres an article there.

Unfortunately as old saying goes - theres no such thing as free money, and Paschal and Leo want to borrow their way out of trouble only to leave austerity measures for introduction to the next govt.

PS i appreciate Irish mirror arent best journalists by any means but they are the only ones reporting this govt's intention to borrow our way out of trouble. If irish times/irish independent link was availble I'd link that. Irish mirror has way too many ads

snowcat

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

I am unsure where you are getting your data from but it does seem to be "not decided" as you yourself indicate.

The EU stimulus proposed by France Germany is that EU will BORROW money, and give that money out to EU member states as grants/free money (not loan).

Austria, Sweden, Netherlands and Belgium I believe (unsure about Belgium) already oppose this. You see EU is borrowing money, so that money will have to be repaid, by the EU, by the 27 EU member states depending on their "capacity" to repay. Unless Ireland turns into Greece or Cyprus (which I honestly hope they wont) we will be repaying it.

So in theory- short term, Ireland will get some free money but in the long term if we have a developed economy that is better than Greece, Cyprus etc etc we will suffer. In the long term.

The reason Sweden, Netherlands, Austria oppose this is because those countries dont need any free money or extra money. They will do just fine, what they dont want happening is having to pay back money on Irelands/Greece/Cyprus behalf.

I'd provide a link as I always do but i am on the phone, but if you want to check out more google politico.eu and theres an article there.

Unfortunately as old saying goes - theres no such thing as free money, and Paschal and Leo want to borrow their way out of trouble only to leave austerity measures for introduction to the next govt.

Thanks for explaining that to him. I would not have been bothered trying. Despite what David McW says there is no such thing as free money. Especially not when we want it and the wealthy countries dont.

Ginger n Lemon

snowcat wrote: »

Thanks for explaining that to him. I would not have been bothered trying.

I think hes a good guy, just that Irish mirror article isnt all that well informative.

But at the end of the day, if you find yourself needing to borrow or ask others for money you know you arent doing well.

And if you at the same time have locked up your 20 - 25 year old sons who can work and help you out, but you "fear" for their safety due to a virus that has 0.01% chance of mortality for them, your judgement would be questioned and should be questioned.

Lord Trollington

KiKi III wrote: »

They’ve already released a plan. A pretty detailed one. We’re in Phase 1 of it, phase 2 is in two weeks (when we can see what impact the first phase had in the numbers)

If you think the plan should be sped up, fair enough, but it’s just inaccurate to suggest there is no plan for opening the country.

Agree. There is a plan. Its absolutely shambolic.

KiKi III

Lord Trollington wrote: »

Agree. There is a plan. Its absolutely shambolic.

That’s so easy to say.

I just watched a global report covering the current situation in the US, South America, the UK, Poland and Spain.

There’s not one country I’d swap with among them.

It’ll be a couple of years before we really know who fared best during this crisis - my guess is Ireland will end up somewhere in the middle of the table.

Micky 32

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

Ok. Let’s be positive, everything is great. We keep up the lockdown and no effect to business and society. Happy days.

Lol where have i said that we keep up with the lockdown? You should check these things before you post rubbish. But hey keep mocking people who’d like to have some positive thoughts if it boosts your doom and gloom sob story.

snowcat

KiKi III wrote: »

That’s so easy to say.

I just watched a global report covering the current situation in the US, South America, the UK, Poland and Spain.

There’s not one country I’d swap with among them.

It’ll be a couple of years before we really know who fared best during this crisis - my guess is Ireland will end up somewhere in the middle of the table.

We are top tier at the moment. Not middle not bottom we are 8th in the WORLD with deaths per mil of pop for populations over 2 million. Saying that our death rates are over estimated with probable and non lab confirmed cases included.

crossman47

KiKi III wrote: »

That’s so easy to say.

I just watched a global report covering the current situation in the US, South America, the UK, Poland and Spain.

There’s not one country I’d swap with among them.

It’ll be a couple of years before we really know who fared best during this crisis - my guess is Ireland will end up somewhere in the middle of the table.

I think you're right - we will be somewhere in the middle. I can't understand all the sniping at Holohan. Hes doing his job as a public heath specialist. The government are hiding behind him. Getting ministers who want 1 metre distance to meet him is ridiculous. He won't change his mind because, if it goes wrong, he'll be the fall guy. if the cabinet want to move faster than he advises, they can and should do so. The government have forgotten they are the government.

Stheno

RobitTV wrote: »

Some good news from the year 2050:

'88-year old George Lee is reporting live from the COVID-50 press conference where Tony Holohan is set to give an update about how far we have come as a nation and how we are continuing to flatten the curve'

Tony Holohan: 'I can report today that the country has reported 0 new cases of coronavirus, but we still aren't over the worst yet and i think the 5km radius will now have to stay until we reach -0.0 cases per day'

'I know it's been 30 years, but Simon Harris and I agree that the country is not ready yet and we aren't doing enough to contain this virus and flatten the curve'

'Phase 1000 will now be activated and will last until August of 2055'

FFS even good grammar is being affected now.

Can we not keep any standards?????

snowcat

Stheno wrote: »

FFS even good grammar is being affected now.

Can we not keep any standards?????

Unlikely. English is optional.

MrDavid1976

Micky 32 wrote: »

Lol where have i said that we keep up with the lockdown? You should check these things before you post rubbish. But hey keep mocking people who’d like to have some positive thoughts if it boosts your doom and gloom sob story.

Ok. Have a great Saturday.

MrDavid1976

crossman47 wrote: »

I think you're right - we will be somewhere in the middle. I can't understand all the sniping at Holohan. Hes doing his job as a public heath specialist. The government are hiding behind him. Getting ministers who want 1 metre distance to meet him is ridiculous. He won't change his mind because, if it goes wrong, he'll be the fall guy. if the cabinet want to move faster than he advises, they can and should do so. The government have forgotten they are the government.

The advice is already 1 Metre. I can’t understand that issue

But the fact that he wants internment camps means he should be in front of the Dail explaining that rationale.

LiquidZeb

crossman47 wrote: »

I think you're right - we will be somewhere in the middle. I can't understand all the sniping at Holohan. Hes doing his job as a public heath specialist. The government are hiding behind him. Getting ministers who want 1 metre distance to meet him is ridiculous. He won't change his mind because, if it goes wrong, he'll be the fall guy. if the cabinet want to move faster than he advises, they can and should do so. The government have forgotten they are the government.

Well considering Dr holohans past involvement in the cervical check scandal and how he tried to bully his way out of it he hasn't exactly done much to endear himself to the public. He's a greasy sneak of a man everything about him makes my skin crawl. Men like him have run this country into the ground.

LiquidZeb

MrDavid1976 wrote: »

The advice is already 1 Metre. I can’t understand that issue

But the fact that he wants internment camps means he should be in front of the Dail explaining that rationale.

The fact that proposal is even being entertained will tell you what dire straits we're in. Donkeys, we're led by donkeys.

Enter name here

Internment camps are a great idea. all dub's and anyone between 15 and 34 should be immediately sent there.

RobitTV

Stheno wrote: »

FFS even good grammar is being affected now.

Can we not keep any standards?????

Soz hun butt i blme toni howlahan for that ya kno wht i mean :pac:

RobitTV

Europe updates:

Spain:
New cases growth rate from yesterday which was the last day reported (+0.17%)
Deaths - (+0.17%)

Italy:
New cases - (+0.29%)
Deaths - (+0.36)

France:
New cases - (+0.28%)
Deaths - (+0.26)

Germany:
New Cases - (+0.36%)
Deaths - (+0.51%)

Wibbs

crossman47 wrote: »

I think you're right - we will be somewhere in the middle. I can't understand all the sniping at Holohan. Hes doing his job as a public heath specialist. The government are hiding behind him.

The government's only real qualifications are shaking hands at GAA matches and getting back into power. That goes for what laughingly goes under the description of the opposition. They're also almost to a man and woman self serving parish pump gombeens.

However Holohan as our "public health specialist" kinda dropped the ball over the cervical smear scandal and women died because of it. This is the guy in the same scandal that tried to stop any external review and do the report himself. The egotistic arse covering gall of the man. To minister Harris' credit and to be fair to him he essentially told him to fcuk off. He tried to reopen the care homes when even the dogs on the street knew that this illness and fatalities were overwhelmingly one of the elderly demographic and many have died because of that. The guy is a useless stuffed suit most suited to high level civil service meetings where such tend to congregate and where they look at bar charts and wait for pension day while glowing in their positions of "authority". This crisis has laid bare their towering mediocrity.