Relaxation of Restrictions, Part III - **Read OP for Mod Warnings**

polesheep

polesheep wrote: »

You made a claim and I asked you to back that claim with a source. Without a source your claim has no validity.

I attached the ICNARC audits. I've literally attached the audit data. How can you not grasp that?

Goldengirl

NegativeCreep wrote: »

Some autistic people can’t wear masks. Simon Harris brother owns a charity for autistic people. Someone told me that was part of the reason. Absolutely ridiculous

No , really?! Does sound ridiculous alright .🙄
They are sticking with social distancing and handwashing as the main pillars to keep it at bay and they really didn't want that particular message getting lost .
But if people have to get up close than you have to have a mask really.

HSE tried to stop nurses wearing them earlier in this except for Covid positive patients , and there was uproar. Nobody knew if there was either asymptomatic or pre symptomatic transmission and rightly, nurses did not want to take a chance.

Now that people are out and about and in closer proximity on buses etc they are recommended , but only reluctantly it seems.

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

I attached the ICNARC audits.

That is not a valid source. Do you have a source for Ireland? If not, then your claim has no validity.

KrustyUCC

According to another thread

ShineOn7 wrote: »

From Reddit/Gov.ie



Ignore the shouty capitals, it's a direct copy and paste




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THE REPORTING OF A LARGE NUMBER OF CASES TODAY IS DUE TO ONE LARGE REPORTING OF CASES, OVER TIME, IN A HOSPITAL. THESE NUMBERS GO BACK TO THE MIDDLE OF MARCH. WHEN THESE CASES WERE BACKDATED TO WHEN THE RESULT CAME IN, THERE WERE NO MORE THAN 7 CASES REPORTED PER DAY

New Cases: 426
Total Cases: 23827
New Death: 10
Denotified: 1
Total Deaths: 1506

DEATHS

• Deaths: 1506
• Hospitalised + died in hospital: 615 41%
• Died in ICU: 75 5%
• Underlying conditions: 1305 87%
• Median age: 84
• Mean age: 82

As of Tuesday 12th May

• Cases: 23259
• Hospitalised: 3053 13.10%
• Total In ICU: 387 1.70%
• Median Age: 48
• Healthcare workers: 7123 > Increase of 126 30.60%

Of 388 in ICU

• Remain in ICU: 58

Residential Settings (Includes nursing homes)

• Clusters: 438 > Increase of 6
• Total Cases: 5983 > Increase of 26
• Total Deaths: 948 63.00%
• Hospitalised: 450 7.50%

Nursing Homes

• Clusters: 250 > Increase of 5
• Total Cases: 4655 > Increase of 14
• Total Deaths: 823 55.00%
• Hospitalised: 318 5.30%

Healthcare Workers - data from Saturday just gone

• Cases: 6890
• Deaths: 7 0.1%
• Hospitalised: 252 4%
• ICU: 41 1%
• Median age: 41
• Female: 73%
• Male: 27%

Modelling

• All population indicators of the virus in the country have been decreasing over a number of weeks
  
• This weeks estimate of the reproductive number tells us what we were like last week
• Reproductive number now in the range of 0.4-0.6
• How people behave will be very important to prevent a second wave
• Over past number of weeks, two things matter at the rate the disease spreads - the reproductive number, and the number of people with the infection in the population
• Important to look at the number of new infections per capita per day - this is the "forced" number
  
  
  
  

Date # New Cases per Day # of People in Hospital # Daily Hospital Admissions # of People in ICU # of ICU Admissions # of Daily Deaths
16th April ~ 600 865 50-60 140 8-10 33
6th May 300 680 22 100 3 21
13th May 172 526 17 69 1-2 13
Today N/a 459 N/A 58

So that was 75 died in ICU

Very far off 50%

Ginger n Lemon

Deleted User wrote: »

So you are suggesting that ICNARC audits aren't meaningful data?

What happened to attack the post, not the poster?

Your post is very misleading.

"If admitted to ICU, there is roughly a 50% chance of dying from COVID-19 irregardless of sex, age etc. This is what is factoring into slow relaxing of restrictions. Do I think they are going through the process too slowly? Perhaps.

But their plan is more reasonable than any the "pro economic brigade" put forward....

It's easy to be a hurler on the ditch."

You link UK ICU paper and in the same paragraph you clearly say you think perhaps "they" are lifting restrictions too slow, clearly referring to Irish government and our restrictions.

Given that the other poster requested Irish ICU, your response is clearly very misleading? Regardless if Irish ICU figures are published or not, its not common knowledge by any means for anyone to be aware or assume that they arent.

KrustyUCC

75 out of 387 is 19.38%

uli84

Harris '"We need people to stay within 5km to stop the spread of the virus.'' - where did he get that from or is it the case of he says that so it's right? Perhaps as right as previous 18 coronaviruses.

you do start to wonder how other countries are managing, thank God we have all those wise heads in Ireland

polesheep

polesheep wrote: »

That is not a valid source. Do you have a source for Ireland? If not, then your claim has no validity.

Love that you are suggesting an audit has no validity.

KrustyUCC

KrustyUCC wrote: »

75 out of 387 is 19.38%

I can only speak from the internal figures from my hospital which are broadly similar to the ICNARC numbers.

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

Love that you are suggesting an audit has no validity.

That particular audit has no validity for Ireland. KrustyUCC has given us the figures and the fact is that one has a less than 20% chance of dying in an Irish ICU from Covid-19. Therefore, you were wrong in your claim of 50%.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Love that you are suggesting an audit has no validity.

Your number of 50% has been demonstrated to not be correct for Ireland

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

I can only speak from the internal figures from my hospital which are broadly similar to the ICNARC numbers.

You are an anonymous poster on the Internet. You could be Rin Tin Tin for all I know. Without a source to support your claim, it is mere opinion.

brokensoul

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I can only speak from the internal figures from my hospital which are broadly similar to the ICNARC numbers.

Is this the same hospital that had a 300% increase in cases yesterday?

Maybe the problem is your hospital...

Goldengirl

Ginger n Lemon wrote: »

Well I find it horrifying that there are people who are dying off cancer but covid19 is put down as cause of death on death cert. How can you expect to treat covid even remotely serious if such stories circulate and they are clearly valid?

Perhaps explains why RTE/NPHET not once said what underlying conditions any person dying from covid had in the state, in the 60 + news episodes now.

You are gas, you take so much out of context and put up what suits your narrative! Fairly sustained throughout this thread.
This poster mentioned a personal story of one person he knew , fair enough.
Nobody said anything about multiple people dying of cancer being registered as Covid 19 deaths.
These deaths are gone through with a fine tooth comb after registration by NPHET who do have pathology experts on contract . Some are de- registered after the event as they are not considered Covid related even though positive!
The statistics are important for how the virus will be contained and treated.
Why in God's name do you think that there is some conspiracy with RTEand NPHET?
They have repeatedly stated the underlying conditions and the numbers of those that have them, but you probably didn't bloody listen, like you don't listen to anyone who posts anything you don't agree with.

It's not masks some of you need , but tinfoil hats!

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Your number of 50% has been demonstrated to not be correct for Ireland

Jesus Christ. I didn't say the data was from Ireland. I said the ICU in my hospital broadly matched the ICNARC data.

brokensoul

brokensoul wrote: »

Is this the same hospital that had a 300% increase in cases yesterday?

Maybe the problem is your hospital...

Could be or it could be people using Reddit as a source.

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus Christ. I didn't say the data was from Ireland. I said the ICU in my hospital broadly matched the ICNARC data.

That is a meaningless comment for reason that I pointed out in my comment above. You are anonymous. Without a legitimate source your opinions are simply that, opinions.

is_that_so

uli84 wrote: »

Harris '"We need people to stay within 5km to stop the spread of the virus.'' - where did he get that from or is it the case of he says that so it's right?
jeez, you do start to wonder how other countries are managing.

He's just reminding people of the current regulations and not to head cross country without a good reason. He's been doing that all along.

nickkinneg

US deaths have passed 90000 it’s reported from the virus

pjohnson

Goldengirl wrote: »

You are gas, you take so much out of context and put up what suits your narrative! Fairly sustained throughout this thread.
This poster mentioned a personal story of one person he knew , fair enough.
Nobody said anything about multiple people dying of cancer being registered as Covid 19 deaths.

Interesting how when Dazzer makes a claim a valid source must be supplied. But a story detailing one case can be magnified multiples without any source.

polesheep

polesheep wrote: »

That is a meaningless comment for reason that I pointed out in my comment above. You are anonymous. Without a legitimate source your opinions are simply that, opinions.

What evidence have you provided? You seem quite agitated? Maybe I could recommend some quetiapine?

polesheep

pjohnson wrote: »

Interesting how when Dazzer makes a claim a valid source must be supplied. But a story detailing one case can be magnified multiples without any source.

I am the poster that requested a source from that poster. I have not magnified any other post without a source.

stephenjmcd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Could be or it could be people using Reddit as a source.

And said Reddit poster copy and pastes directly from gov.ie and dept of health figures. Hence the source is government figures so not exactly made up ones

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

What evidence have you provided, hurler on the ditch?

You made the claim, not I.

is_that_so

The HorsesMouth wrote: »

Day one of phase 1 and already all we are hearing is that if things go anyway wrong we will be going back into lockdown.
We are no more going to go back than the man in the moon. No EU country has gone back yet and they are way ahead of us in terms of lifting restrictions. I wish they (Harris and Holohan especially) would stop taking to us like bold children.

Do feel like a bold child? How long has this been the case?

polesheep

Deleted User wrote: »

What evidence have you provided? You seem quite agitated? Maybe I could recommend some quetiapine?

So you are now suggesting that another poster take an anti-psychotic drug. How you have avoided moderation is beyond me.

Goldengirl

[Deleted User] wrote: »

More hospitalisations in under 65s than over 65s though. It depends what stats you are looking at. Just looking at deaths is a simplistic analysis of the effect that COVID-19 can have medically.

Yes ,and maybe not as many dying in younger age groups but for a lot of people who end up hospitalised ,and its very nasty.
People with no underlying conditions fighting for their lives with severe pneumonia , and having multi organ failure and strokes .
These are not the majority of people infected but it's a bit of Russian Roullette as to who, out of a group of 10 younger infected people , is going to be the one in hospital one ventilator.
No they don't talk about these things on the briefings . Maybe it's time they did ?

iamwhoiam

Why are people actually bothering to reply . You are being played like a violin

Ginger n Lemon

Goldengirl wrote: »

You are gas, you take so much out of context and put up what suits your narrative! Fairly sustained throughout this thread.
This poster mentioned a personal story of one person he knew , fair enough.
Nobody said anything about multiple people dying of cancer being registered as Covid 19 deaths.
These deaths are gone through with a fine tooth comb after registration by NPHET who do have pathology experts on contract . Some are de- registered after the event as they are not considered Covid related even though positive!
The statistics are important for how the virus will be contained and treated.
Why in God's name do you think that there is some conspiracy with RTEand NPHET?
They have repeatedly stated the underlying conditions and the numbers of those that have them, but you probably didn't bloody listen, like you don't listen to anyone who posts anything you don't agree with.

It's not masks some of you need , but tinfoil hats!

Not even remotely true. This is not the first poster that I see that informs us of cancer patient dying off cancer but being reported as covid death.

Why do you assume I base my judgement on the poster alone?

BTW from earlier poster it is quite obvious nearly everybody has had an underlying condition.

Deaths: 1506
Hospitalised + died in hospital: 615 41%
Died in ICU: 75 5%
Underlying conditions: 1305 87%
Median age: 84
Mean age: 82

LiquidZeb

polesheep wrote: »

So you are now suggesting that another poster take an anti-psychotic drug. How you have avoided moderation is beyond me.

He's more impervious than bloody Superman at this point.