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The Hobby Horses of Belief (and assorted hazards)

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    #452
    robindch
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    In a piece of rare good news from Brazil, the country's Supreme Federal Court has upheld a ban on religious missionary activity inside reserves that are home to isolated or recently contacted indigenous people, in an attempt to prevent covid from spreading in and likely hammering the communities.

    This is despite an earlier federal law which explicitly banned all contact with indigenous people, save - naturally - from proselytizing missionaries who, in previous years, have carried in multiple diseases resulting in widespread death.

    https://news.mongabay.com/2021/10/brazil-court-emphasizes-ban-on-missionaries-trying-to-contact-isolated-indigenous/



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    #453
    Hotblack Desiato
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    They're carriers of a serious mind virus which causes great harm.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #454
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117992230#Comment_117992230

    Here you go again.

    You've never once provided any evidence to back up these claims, are you going to do so now?

    Making bizarre claims without evidence should really be left to the religious.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #455
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/racy-spanish-pop-video-leaves-catholic-leaders-blushing-1.4703877

    A racy pop music video filmed in a Spanish cathedral has unleashed a scandal which has led to the resignation of a member of the clergy and caused the local bishop to apologise during Mass.

    Much of the video for the song Ateo (“Atheist”), a duet by Spanish star C Tangana and Argentinian singer Nathy Peluso, was filmed in Toledo’s medieval cathedral. It shows the couple dancing raunchily, at times with Tangana stripped to the waist, while priests look on.

    “I want to make a religion of your hair, your mouth and your face,” Tangana sings, “And may the Virgin of Almudena forgive me the things I do in your bed.”


    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #456
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/a-ban-on-godparents-in-the-land-of-the-godfather-it-has-lost-all-spiritual-significance-1.4703478


    The Roman Catholic diocese of Catania enacted a three-year ban on the ancient tradition of naming godparents at baptisms and christenings. Church officials argue that the once-essential figure in a child’s Catholic education has lost all spiritual significance. Instead, they say, it has become a networking opportunity for families looking to improve their fortunes, secure endowments of gold necklaces and make advantageous connections, sometimes with local power brokers who have dozens of godchildren.

    God parenting, church officials say, has fallen to earth as a secular custom between relatives or neighbours – many deficient in faith or living in sin, and was now a mere method of strengthening family ties.

    And sometimes mob ties, too.


    In 2014, Archbishop Giuseppe Fiorini Morosini of Reggio Calabria, where the ’Ndrangheta mob is rooted, proposed a 10-year stop on godfathers, arguing in a letter to Pope Francis that a secular society had spiritually gutted the figure. That, he says, also made it ripe for exploitation by mobsters.

    Morosini says that a top Vatican official, Cardinal Giovanni Angelo Becciu, who is now on trial in the Vatican on money laundering charges, responded that all of Calabria’s bishops needed to agree before moving ahead. They did not.


    Salvatore Cuffaro, a former president of Sicily, says that he did not have many baptismal godchildren, “just about 20,” agreeing to only about 5 per cent of requests. He was sought after, he says, for his “Christian principles,” demonstrated over decades of political life.

    “Despite what some priests think, I paid attention to all of my baptismal godchildren” and instructed them to go to Catholic school, he says.

    Cuffaro, nicknamed “Kiss Kiss” for his tendency to kiss everyone, served nearly five years in prison for helping alert a Mafia boss that he was being wiretapped. He denied those charges, and denied that a Mafioso had ever served as godfather to anyone on the island.

    “At least in Sicily, where I have lived, this doesn’t exist,” he says. “It’s only a religious bond; there are no bonds of illegality.”


    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #457
    Hotblack Desiato
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    De Burkes again...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/retail-and-services/wrc-challenged-over-handling-of-complaint-of-unfair-dismissal-from-arthur-cox-1.4705970

    WRC challenged over handling of complaint of unfair dismissal from Arthur Cox

    A High Court judge is hearing an action by a solicitor over the handling by a Workplace Relations Commission (WRC) adjudication officer of her complaint she was unfairly dismissed by law firm Arthur Cox.

    Ammi Burke brought the proceedings after an adjudication officer halted her case in the wake of a significant Supreme Court decision in April that had implications for WRC procedures.

    Adjudication officer Marie Flynn recused herself from the action and said Ms Burke’s case would need to be heard by a different officer.


    On behalf of Arthur Cox, a notice party to the case, Peter Ward SC said Ms Burke has shown a “propensity to accuse anyone and everyone of lying” and had “effectively laid out a conspiracy theory” in claiming the WRC altered guidelines in reaction to her case.

    Mr Ward said Ms Burke and some members of her family had “obstructed” the WRC hearing to such an extent Ms Flynn could not hear other evidence being given. Ms Burke and some family members treated the adjudication officer “appallingly” during the proceedings, he also said.

    While the firm is also inconvenienced by the requirement for the case to restart, Ms Flynn’s decision was “lawful and correct”, counsel said.

    In reply, Ms Burke denied fabrication and said: “I’m the one party that has raised facts.”

    The case resumes on Tuesday.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #458
    robindch
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    Right charmers.



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    #459
    Odhinn
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118054115#Comment_118054115

    Whats that all about?



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    #460
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Very large family from Mayo who all have biblical first names, who among other things managed to get themselves banned from all NUIG societies a few years back

    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2057167264/burke-family-vs-nui-galway

    One of their number was employed at Arthur Cox until a couple of years ago. The family were protesting outside their offices on a few occasions pre-covid, trying to make out they are being persecuted for their christianity (same shtick they tried at NUIG)

    "The Tesco Value Westboro Baptist Church" is a pretty accurate description tbh 🤣

    More...

    http://www.rabble.ie/2014/03/04/irelands-phelps-family-and-nuig/


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    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #461
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/religion-and-beliefs/galway-bishop-addresses-parishioners-about-tiktok-priest-controversy-1.4709274

    The Bishop of Galway Brendan Kelly has addressed the controversy surrounding the so called “TikTok priest” Fr Michael King who is on indefinite leave after he allegedly posted controversial videos on the social media platform.

    The 44-year-old’s videos allegedly featured innuendo and jokes about playing songs such as ACDC’s Highway to Hell at a funeral Mass.


    Bishop Kelly said that he fully understood that locals felt “hurt” and “let down” at this time.

    “I wish to assure you that Fr King is receiving all the help and support that he requires. I ask that you join with me in praying for him. Thank you for listening and may God bless you and your families.”


    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #462
    Pawwed Rig
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118068544#Comment_118068544

    The importance of due diligence before you hire someone.

    Arthur Cox should have known better

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    #463
    robindch
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118070536#Comment_118070536

    It wasn't as if they had to do anything tougher than google the name...



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    #464
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Are you allowed not hire somebody because their family are nutcases, though?

    Perhaps take the more subtle approach - casually bring up the firm's inclusivity and diversity policy during the interview, then ask them would they be willing to help organise the next Pride event 😁

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #465
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,210 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073569#Comment_118073569

    being a nutcase is not a protected class.



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    #466
    Bannasidhe
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073584#Comment_118073584

    Plus having a nutcase on the payroll can help attract nutcase clients with deep pockets.



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    #467
    Pawwed Rig
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118073569#Comment_118073569

    You can just not hire someone as they were not the best candidate for the job. Actually beggars belief how Arthur Cox ended up in this situation unless they inherited her through a merger or something like that.



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    #468
    robindch
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    The 2013 Russian law which protects "religious feelings" from "insult" (nb, does not apply to JW's) continues to bear strange fruit. In partial focus this time is the shapely frontage of "Lola Bunny", an OnlyFans content provider who became so overheated while filming near St Basil's in Moscow, that she had to lift up her top to cool her chest.

    Unfortunately, the resulting video made its way into the public and religious believers who clicked to view it became so overheated themselves that at least one of them contacted the police to deal with the issue. Ms Bunny, who has since begun to receive online threats, released a public apology, but this failed to prevent police from banning her from leaving the country while they continue to study the video in close detail.

    https://twitter.com/KevinRothrock/status/1451913465963106304



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    #469
    Hotblack Desiato
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    "I've watched every second of this disgusting film - twice"

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #470
    Hotblack Desiato
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    Bizarrely, the Burkes have been hitting the courts yet again this week - this time a civil action against NUIG:

    https://www.rte.ie/news/courts/2021/1027/1256249-nuig-civil-action/

    Four siblings have begun a civil action against the National University of Ireland, Galway claiming they were discriminated against and victimised by college authorities because of their religious beliefs seven years ago.

    Brothers Isaac and Enoch Burke and their sisters Kezia and Ammi, from Co Mayo, were all students at NUI Galway when they claim they were banned for life in November 2014 from being members of the college student societies.

    All four are members of the Christian Union Society, which promotes Christian beliefs based on the authority of the scriptures. The society held meetings and events at the college and had 127 members in 2014.

    The four were also committee members of the Life Society at the college, which promoted a pro-life message.

    The case is being heard before Judge Raymond Groarke at Loughrea Circuit Court.

    In his evidence, Isaac Burke said he received an email from the USCG, the university society co-ordination group that deals with the governance of college societies, on 10 November 2014 informing him he was barred from active membership of all societies at NUI Galway. His siblings received similar emails.

    Prior to this, he said, they had had a difficult year in which their posters had been ripped down at various locations around the campus.


    NUI Galway denies the claims and cannot accept the four were banned for life or that it had anything to do with their religious beliefs.

    The court was told they were barred for four-and-a-half years, which was imposed for alleged misappropriation of university funds and benefits.

    The proceedings, in which the four siblings are representing themselves, are due to continue for three days.


    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #471
    The Black Oil
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 18,307 CMod ✭✭✭✭The Black Oil


    No words for something like this.

    First case of faith-based abuse in Ireland as child left with brain damage after ‘exorcism’


    A couple have been convicted of the neglect of and cruelty to their nine-year-old daughter, who needs carers for the rest of her life after suffering catastrophic brain damage.


    The jury heard evidence that at one stage the father told a detective that he carried out a ritual to get a ‘devil’ to leave the child’s body.

    The Dublin-based 39-year-old man and his 36-year-old wife had pleaded not guilty to two charges of assault causing serious harm and three charges of child cruelty at the family home between June 28 and July 2, 2019. The parents are originally from North Africa but came here some years ago. They cannot be named to protect the anonymity of the child.

    ~

    During the Garda investigation, the father told a detective that he contacted a ruqyah, an Islamic faith healer, and that he told this man his daughter was saying ‘that the djinn was inside her’, referring to the Islamic idea of a spirit. The couple had moved to Ireland around 2011 and in March 2019 their eldest daughters, including the victim, followed.

    https://extra.ie/2021/10/30/news/irish-news/first-case-of-faith-based-abuse-in-ireland-as-child-left-with-brain-damage-after-exorcism

    Moderator: Television, Psychology and Dublin County North.

    CMod: Entertainment



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    #472
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/11/how-do-you-become-formally-not-a-catholic-you-take-the-law-into-your-own-hands

    He used the Australian data protection law to get his chosen form of words inserted into his baptismal record. Wonder could that work here?

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #473
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/work/solicitor-loses-case-over-wrc-handling-of-arthur-cox-unfair-dismissal-complaint-1.4725909

    The High Court has dismissed a challenge brought by solicitor Ammi Burke over a Workplace Relations Commission (WRC) officer’s handling of her complaint of unfair dismissal from top law firm Arthur Cox.

    Mr Justice Garrett Simons “dismissed in its entirety” Ms Burke’s proceedings against adjudication officer Marie Flynn, who aborted her case in the wake of a landmark Supreme Court decision with significant implications for WRC hearings and determinations. 


    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #474
    Igotadose
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118152520#Comment_118152520

    So, the "Tesco Value Westboro Baptist Church" have lost what seems to be a very technical case? Seems like they were arguing a fairly esoteric point of law? I don't see any 'we wuz discwiminated for our fatuous religious beliefs' in the article.... There was no claim that the employer did what they did as discriminatory.


    Really, it should be easier to fire people in this country.



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    #475
    Hotblack Desiato
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    No but when the whole family was protesting outside Arthur Cox (I work near there) that was what they were alleging on their placards

    I don't really know what the problem is, the adjudicator didn't make a finding against them just decided that the case needed to be heard again from the start, a strange thing to go to court to try to overturn. The eventual decision will almost certainly go against them in the end though

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #476
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/burma-goods-pledge-by-dunnes-after-boycott-call-1.93292

    In today's "bizarre stuff found by chance on the internet", we have the following:

    The body of triple murderer, Brendan O'Donnell, was cremated in Dublin after Mass concelebrated by the Bishop of Clonfert, Dr John Kirby, with six priests.

    His parents must have been big donors.

    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #477
    Captain Barnacles
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    MAssive hazard of belief right here

    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-merseyside-59288929


    I'm surprised it wasn't posted allready - oh wait, i'm not surprised at all ...



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    #478
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,210 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118168065#Comment_118168065

    what is the religious connection?



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    #479
    Captain Barnacles
    Registered Users Posts: 270 ✭✭Captain Barnacles


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118168081#Comment_118168081

    Pathetic , you know very well it was radical Islam.



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    #480
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,210 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118168729#Comment_118168729

    nothing confirmed yet as to the perpetrators.



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    #481
    smacl
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 15,723 Mod ✭✭✭✭smacl


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118168729#Comment_118168729

    Mod warning: Less the aggressive attitude towards other posters please.



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