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Relaxation of restrictions Part II

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Continuation of the "Relaxation of restrictions" from here.

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normanoffside

Loozer wrote: »

They'll be on here later when they get stoned

"Just chill and sit the fuk back and watch Netflix"

Little realising the circumstances some are stuck with atm mental health, abuse ,finances etc

That's the category 1 crowd.

brickster69

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Can you provide a link that shows 50% of the state's annual income is servicing debt?

I'd hate to think this was yet more fake news (and from a brexiter no less), it would make me flustered and sad

https://tradingeconomics.com/ireland/government-revenues

Interest is 10,413€ Billion / year

Read more at: https://commodity.com/debt-clock/ireland/

gozunda

LiquidZeb wrote: »

It's easy tell no one belonging to you isn't awaiting any sort of test or treatment. Should they keep a positive attitude too?

Really?

LiquidZeb thats your best shot? Tbh the quality of your posts to others - like above is going downhill rapidly. Either engage with the argument or dont. Eitherway theres no need for the rabid personalisations like these ...

LiquidZeb wrote: »

For some reason I imagine you had a throbbing erection while writing that.

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Ok boomer.

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Brilliant glad you're so insulated you haven't to worry about a recession. Your €350 a week must stretch far so.

I'll leave you to it ...

Loozer

normanoffside wrote: »

As far as I can see there are 3 types of Lock-down Merchant

1. Long term unemployed happy with their welfare and delighted that hundreds of thousands of people are now forced to live like them,
2. Civil servants with cushy jobs in terms of pay, workloads and security.
3. Hypochondriacs

They'll be on here later when they get stoned

"Just chill and sit the fuk back and watch Netflix"

Little realising the circumstances some are stuck with atm mental health, abuse ,finances etc

PmMeUrDogs

normanoffside wrote: »

That's not selfish at all. Hopefully you get your surgery sorted ASAP

Realistically it is, because I'm not at any immediate risk of death, and I thankfully don't have cancer. I know there are people in far worse conditions than me who are struggling far more. I can at least still work and live a relatively normal life.

But I'm scared. I've had other appointments for medical issues cancelled and they haven't been as urgent, so I'm not too concerned, I can live without them for a few more months if needs be. But cancelling necessary surgeries, cervical screenings, colposcopies, etc, absolutely baffles me. I understand the massive risk involved with potentially catching the virus, but things like those necessary treatments involve similarly massive risks if left undone!

easypazz

LiquidZeb wrote: »

I'm not anti restrictions in the slightest. I agree with a lot of the measures taken. My bugbear is with the amount of time it's spread across and the damage it'll do economically. You might be content plugging your ears and ignoring it but it won't go away.

And it looks like a lot of people will die of other illnesses now anyway.

LiquidZeb

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Thats the moaners and groaners evidently . I guess you believe there must be a lot of "mismanagement" globally so? I hear Sweden is accepting anti restiction protestors for citizenship :pac:

I'm not anti restrictions in the slightest. I agree with a lot of the measures taken. My bugbear is with the amount of time it's spread across and the damage it'll do economically. You might be content plugging your ears and ignoring it but it won't go away.

retro:electro

SusieBlue wrote: »

All cervical cancer screenings, smear tests & colposcopies have been cancelled until further notice. Early intervention is critical with this cancer, yet no services can be accessed nationwide by anyone.

I doubt they want yet another health scandal on their hands but at this point it’s inevitable.
There are going to be a lot of people who were either delayed in accessing services, or who couldn’t access services at all, who will be furious in a few months when the repercussions from paralysing our hospitals & health system becomes clear.

This is absolutely disgraceful. The more I read things like this the more I’m gobsmacked at the decisions being made from above. What on earth?!

normanoffside

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

It sounds so selfish given how many people have died, but this is what's worrying me the most. I'm waiting for surgery. I was meant to have it in February but it's been cancelled due to the virus, and I haven't received any alternative date yet, and it doesn't look like I will anytime soon.

The issue I require surgery for is urgent - as noted by my consultants. The longer the delay in me having surgery, the more time I risk developing cancer. On a less serious note, the issue I have requiring surgery means I'm in pain daily, at all times, and there are some other issues that have an effect on my quality of life.

Honestly, I'd happily risk catching the virus (and I'm high risk) if I could just have the damn operation I've been waiting for a long time for, and be given a chance at getting better.

That's not selfish at all. Hopefully you get your surgery sorted ASAP

JPCN1

PmMeUrDogs wrote: »

It sounds so selfish given how many people have died, but this is what's worrying me the most. I'm waiting for surgery. I was meant to have it in February but it's been cancelled due to the virus, and I haven't received any alternative date yet, and it doesn't look like I will anytime soon.

The issue I require surgery for is urgent - as noted by my consultants. The longer the delay in me having surgery, the more time I risk developing cancer. On a less serious note, the issue I have requiring surgery means I'm in pain daily, at all times, and there are some other issues that have an effect on my quality of life.

Honestly, I'd happily risk catching the virus (and I'm high risk) if I could just have the damn operation I've been waiting for a long time for, and be given a chance at getting better.

Firstly, very best of luck and I hope you get seen soon.

When the hospitals come back they cannot operate at full capacity due to social distancing so there will be less operations and increased need.

ceadaoin.

SusieBlue wrote: »

All cervical cancer screenings, smear tests & colposcopies have been cancelled until further notice. Early intervention is critical with this cancer, yet no services can be accessed nationwide by anyone.

I doubt they want yet another health scandal on their hands but at this point it’s inevitable.
There are going to be a lot of people who were either delayed in accessing services, or who couldn’t access services at all, who will be furious in a few months when the repercussions from paralysing our hospitals & health system becomes clear.

This is shocking. What is the reason why screenings and treatments such as this can't take place? Hospitals are nowhere near overwhelmed and never were and these types of procedures would be taking place in dedicated facilities anyway and well away from any sick (with covid) patients. Absolute joke.

gozunda

LiquidZeb wrote: »

The only one rambling about a conspiracy is you. Most people here think its mismanagement on the governments part.

Nope. Thats the moaners and groaners evidently . I guess you believe there must be a lot of "mismanagement" globally so? I hear Sweden is accepting anti restiction protestors for citizenship :pac:

LiquidZeb

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah 'cos that what was said lol. A poor try my non friend. That said a little bit of positivity is a hell of a lot better attitude and knowing things will get better - whilst we are dealing with a global pandemic - than the sackcloth and ashes that some here are peddling as anti establishment horse manure ...

It's easy tell no one belonging to you isn't awaiting any sort of test or treatment. Should they keep a positive attitude too?

stephenjmcd

Another poster put this on the main thread

https://twitter.com/President_MU/status/1257729864993562624?s=19

gozunda

LiquidZeb wrote: »

Right so can people use the power of positivity to pay their mortgages and grocery bill in the meantime?

Yeah 'cos that what was said lol. A poor try my non friend. That said a little bit of positivity is a hell of a lot better attitude and knowing things will get better - whilst we are dealing with a global pandemic - than the sackcloth and ashes that some here are peddling as anti establishment horse manure ...

PmMeUrDogs

normanoffside wrote: »

And according to Prime Time just now, despite hospitals at 20% capacity, waiting lists for non-covid treatments have been put back 3 months.
Private patients with operations cancelled.
Cancer and other screenings and treatments have been effectively stopped.

Up to 2,000 deaths could be caused because of the paralysis of the health system.

It sounds so selfish given how many people have died, but this is what's worrying me the most. I'm waiting for surgery. I was meant to have it in February but it's been cancelled due to the virus, and I haven't received any alternative date yet, and it doesn't look like I will anytime soon.

The issue I require surgery for is urgent - as noted by my consultants. The longer the delay in me having surgery, the more time I risk developing cancer. On a less serious note, the issue I have requiring surgery means I'm in pain daily, at all times, and there are some other issues that have an effect on my quality of life.

Honestly, I'd happily risk catching the virus (and I'm high risk) if I could just have the damn operation I've been waiting for a long time for, and be given a chance at getting better.

road_high

mooseknunkle wrote: »

He's right this needs to be challenged,no reason why car showrooms,tennis,golf and hairdressers cant be open today.

Absolutely

Cork Boy 53

easypazz wrote: »

Open the fcuking country.

Have social distancing.

Lots of testing.

Protect the vulnerable groups.

Quit the scaremongering.

Is that what the professor on the Tonight show is saying or is this just more of your usual ranting?

stephenjmcd

normanoffside wrote: »

And according to Prime Time just now, despite hospitals at 20% capacity, waiting lists for non-covid treatments have been put back 3 months.
Private patients with operations cancelled.
Cancer and other screenings and treatments have been effectively stopped.

Up to 2,000 deaths could be caused because of the paralysis of the health system.

Likewise just said on virgin media tonight show. Consultant from mater private saying he has no doubt the death toll from non covid illnesses that weren't diagnosed in this period will be higher than covid deaths.

SusieBlue

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Minimum. The surgeries cancelled arent ear pinning or rhinoplasty. Its life threatening delay's to treatment and diagnosis

All cervical cancer screenings, smear tests & colposcopies have been cancelled until further notice. Early intervention is critical with this cancer, yet no services can be accessed nationwide by anyone.

I doubt they want yet another health scandal on their hands but at this point it’s inevitable.
There are going to be a lot of people who were either delayed in accessing services, or who couldn’t access services at all, who will be furious in a few months when the repercussions from paralysing our hospitals & health system becomes clear.

mooseknunkle

road_high wrote: »

Yes it’s not RTE!

He's right this needs to be challenged,no reason why car showrooms,tennis,golf and hairdressers cant be open today.

FintanMcluskey

easypazz wrote: »

2 medics on Ivan Yates now slagging off the farce of a plan.

And now outlining all the people who will die due to no cancer screening etc.

Saying more will die due to not being screening than will die of covid.

And it will be far younger people with dependent children etc. too.

Yep.
But I'm sure those will be counted as "undiagnosed Covid deaths?

easypazz

mooseknunkle wrote: »

Professor on the tonight show talking a lot of sense right now

Open the fcuking country.

Have social distancing.

Lots of testing.

Protect the vulnerable groups.

Quit the scaremongering.

gozunda

normanoffside wrote: »

As far as I can see there are 3 types of Anti Restriction Merchants

1. Moaners and groaners who delight in the fact that they can preach doomsday scenarios all day long

2. Sinn Fein type party bots who wish to spread ****e and political dissent ...

3. General ****e stirrers

FYP

road_high

mooseknunkle wrote: »

Professor on the tonight show talking a lot of sense right now

Yes it’s not RTE!

easypazz

2 medics on Ivan Yates now slagging off the farce of a plan.

And now outlining all the people who will die due to no cancer screening etc.

Saying more will die due to not being screening than will die of covid.

And it will be far younger people with dependent children etc. too.

mooseknunkle

Professor on the tonight show talking a lot of sense right now

LiquidZeb

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah it's all a big conspiracy by the grey brigade. :rolleyes:

You need to cop on to the fact that the reason for the restrictions (just like other countries) is to reduce the number of active cases and to stop health services been overrun.

Those at risk - including the elderly in care homes do not exist in isolation. They cannot totally socially distance or completly cocoon as they live in high density settings with staff and other services coming from the wider community. Just one asymptomatic or presympotamic person and the infection spreads like wildfire in such settings.

And yes there are whingers on this thread who need a reality check. Yes a global recession is immiment. However things will get better and yes we need to deal with the currentvpandemic which poses a risk to all sectors of society ...

The only one rambling about a conspiracy is you. Most people here think its mismanagement on the governments part.

LiquidZeb

gozunda wrote: »

Yeah it's all a big conspiracy by the grey brigade. :rolleyes:

You need to cop on to the fact that the reason for the restrictions (just like other countries) is to reduce the number of active cases and to stop health services been overrun.

Those at risk - including the elderly in care homes do not exist in isolation. They cannot totally socially distance or completly cocoon as they live in high density settings with staff and other services coming from the wider community. Just one asymptomatic or presympotamic person and the infection spreads like wildfire in such settings.

And yes there are whingers on this thread who need a reality check. Yes a global recession is immiment. However things will get better and yes we need to deal with the currentvpandemic which poses a risk to all sectors of society ...

The only one rambling about a conspiracy is you. Most people here think its mismanagement on the governments part.

FintanMcluskey

normanoffside wrote: »

Up to 2,000 deaths could be caused because of the paralysis of the health system.

Minimum. The surgeries cancelled arent ear pinning or rhinoplasty. Its life threatening delay's to treatment and diagnosis