Relaxation of restrictions Part II

uli84

Mortgage break or whatever getting extended to 6 months...assuming then the restrictions are not getting eased and that the same will happen to covid-19 350€ a week payment haha

good luck everyone and remember we’re all in this together

Edit: its only mortgage break as per journal.ie
The rest just assumption but I cannot imagine we can afford that

drunkmonkey

coastwatch wrote: »

Border County?

Tipperary

growleaves

uli84 wrote: »

Mortgage break or whatever getting extended to 6 months...assuming then the restrictions are not getting eased and that the same will happen to covid-19 350€ a week payment haha

Where did you see that?

good luck everyone and remember we’re all in this together

Yeah we're all cellmates together in one giant prison.

KrustyUCC

uli84 wrote: »

Mortgage break or whatever getting extended to 6 months...assuming then the restrictions are not getting eased and that the same will happen to covid-19 350€ a week payment haha

good luck everyone and remember we’re all in this together

Link?

The €350 payment for another 3 months will cost a fortune

thebaz

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It's nice to see people like Elon Musk on board and speaking out on how ridiculous it is.

When it's just a nutcase like Gemma ODotery it's much easier for the government and media to dismiss it

The worst thing for those that who want a sensible debate about Covid and an alternatives take to WHO and the Government , is Gemma.
she obviously not well, and her extereme crazy views is helping no one.

Nermal

seamus wrote: »

He is not the one making the decisions, he is providing advice.

The government have explicitly stated on many occasions that they simply do whatever what the NPHET tell them.

seamus wrote: »

There is a concerted effort within our media, to undermine the state's effort and controlling this outbreak. I have no idea where it's coming from, but it's there. DOB's media are bad for it, but there are worse ones.

I've seen nothing of the sort. I have however seen plenty of examples of:

• exaggerated fatality and hospitalisation rates
• #stayathome social media herd behaviour
• vanishingly rare examples of young people dying
• nonsense reports of people being infected twice

The only effort ongoing in the media is 'generate clicks'.

Sanjuro

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It's nice to see people like Elon Musk on board and speaking out on how ridiculous it is.

When it's just a nutcase like Gemma ODotery it's much easier for the government and media to dismiss it

Yeah, Elon Musk. Great example. Real brain genius that guy.

easypazz

JoeExotic81 wrote: »

So Our Great Unelected Leader Dr Tony (OGULDT) is struggling to find measures or number targets we haven't already met and is now hanging on to an invisible magic ICU number to keep the country in shutdown? Did journalists really accept his "as low as possible" target?

These clowns need to start sharing specifics pronto. It's starting to get farcical fast. Tomorrow will be fascinating, the whole country is waiting for this announcement.

If it's as unclear and unspecific as their recent sound bites, I'd say public confidence in them will fall off a cliff if it hasn't done so already.

This is what they were saying in January. The farce is here as long as the virus.

On 23 January director of the HSE's Health Protection Surveillance Centre said the risk of coronavirus cases in Ireland was “quite low”, “If we were to see a case in a European country the risk of a secondary case – a person transmitting to somebody else – is also low”.
Meanwhile there had been 52 deaths in Ireland from flu during the Winter season. HSE Assistant National Director of Public Health and Child Health, Dr Kevin Kelleher, praised China's response to coronavirus as "utterly open" and "phenomenal".[23][24] Dublin Airport Authority said that no actions were required while the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade had not advised against traveling to China.[25]

(Wikipedia)

These people have failed. End of.

RugbyLad11

One thing I don't understand.

We have Tony who want's to keep us locked inside for months and months because the virus is so destructive but yet he still doesn't recommend we cover our mouth/nose to help reduce the spread.

RugbyLad11

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It's nice to see people like Elon Musk on board and speaking out on how ridiculous it is.

When it's just a nutcase like Gemma ODotery it's much easier for the government and media to dismiss it

Because Elon Musk has an unblemished record in public statements

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter

GazzaL

GazzaL wrote: »

No I'm happy that we are currently way below capacity, so that there is room to deal with more patients.

What about the regular workload in ICU?

Stormyteacup

From the minutes of NPHET meeting 14th April published on gov.ie - two things stand out

1: DOH presents draft for easing of restrictions on 10th April

"Review of Current Public Health Measures - Phasing A draft paper outlining considerations for any future phased reduction of the social distancing measures currently in place was previously presented to the NPHET at the meeting on 10th April 2020 and DOH is continuing to work on this paper; which is being developed in line with the advice of the EU Commission, ECDC, WHO and approaches of other countries. A further version of the paper is to be considered by the NPHET at the next meeting on 17th April 2020."

2: Bit concerning this, may explain the CMO's 'as low as possible' for target numbers in ICU - have NPHET decided to change tack from suppression to eradication?

"(b) AOB (i) The Chair brought correspondence from a Consultant of Infectious Diseases to the attention of the NPHET for its consideration in terms of an eradication approach and indicated that input from the NPHET would be welcomed in replying. (Permission to share to NPHET was granted by the author). It was noted that the component parts of the approach outlined are aligned with priorities already identified by NPHET."

road_high

uli84 wrote: »

Mortgage break or whatever getting extended to 6 months...assuming then the restrictions are not getting eased and that the same will happen to covid-19 350€ a week payment haha

good luck everyone and remember we’re all in this together

What happens after that? When the mortgage holders have no job to return to? And they can’t meet the repayments?

bush

road_high wrote: »

What happens after that? When the mortgage holders have no job to return to? And they can’t meet the repayments?

Those mortgage breaks are no different to what the banks were offering before the virus. Load of crap.

lawrencesummers

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

It's nice to see people like Elon Musk on board and speaking out on how ridiculous it is.

When it's just a nutcase like Gemma ODotery it's much easier for the government and media to dismiss it

Yea, because Elon is sound. Dead sound


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

drunkmonkey

RugbyLad11 wrote: »

One thing I don't understand.

We have Tony who want's to keep us locked inside for months and months because the virus is so destructive but yet he still doesn't recommend we cover our mouth/nose to help reduce the spread.

They've all got the vaccine, just want to buy up your house cheap.
Like seriously, where's the distancing...Cillian in the back row is a virologist, why isn't he concerned enough to wear a mask.

easypazz

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Link?

Its widely reported today in the media.

KrustyUCC wrote: »

The €350 payment for another 3 months will cost a fortune

The hope is they get some people back to work with this phased reopening to take the pressure off.

Problem is @ €350 a week and no travel expenses etc. a lot of people won't be in any rush back to work.

brick tamland

lawrencesummers wrote: »

Yea, because Elon is sound. Dead sound


https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/15/elon-musk-british-diver-thai-cave-rescue-pedo-twitter?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

He's also just looking after himself. He loses more money the longer this goes on and people don't buy his cars.

He may ultimately be proved right, nobody knows, but he's just coming at it from self interest at the moment.

* He's still a massive dickhead though

Stormyteacup

Stormyteacup wrote: »

From the minutes of NPHET meeting 14th April published on gov.ie - two things stand out

1: DOH presents draft for easing of restrictions on 10th April

"Review of Current Public Health Measures - Phasing A draft paper outlining considerations for any future phased reduction of the social distancing measures currently in place was previously presented to the NPHET at the meeting on 10th April 2020 and DOH is continuing to work on this paper; which is being developed in line with the advice of the EU Commission, ECDC, WHO and approaches of other countries. A further version of the paper is to be considered by the NPHET at the next meeting on 17th April 2020."

2: Bit concerning this, may explain the CMO's 'as low as possible' for target numbers in ICU - have NPHET decided to change tack from suppression to eradication?

"(b) AOB (i) The Chair brought correspondence from a Consultant of Infectious Diseases to the attention of the NPHET for its consideration in terms of an eradication approach and indicated that input from the NPHET would be welcomed in replying. (Permission to share to NPHET was granted by the author). It was noted that the component parts of the approach outlined are aligned with priorities already identified by NPHET."

Presume the consultant was McConkey. Heard him talk about this idea - take an additional 4-6 weeks of even tougher lockdown, but come out the other side to a widescale re-opening internally as we would be at the elimination phase. Would have to align with NI and have much more stringent Quarantine on entry in place once the lockdown is complete. Has merits, but I don't think its workable

Penfailed

growleaves wrote: »

Yeah we're all cellmates together in one giant prison.

No. We aren't in prison.

seamus

Penfailed wrote: »

No. We aren't in prison.

Lots of people here with a very rose-tinted idea of what prison is

I hope they don't ever get a custodial sentence, the shock might kill them.

lawrencesummers

Nermal wrote: »

Nope. Don't try to rewrite history.

We had the data.

But our media sensationalised it with exaggerated fatality rates based on confirmed cases. Our populace was driven to panic. Our leaders responded with unnecessary, ineffective and ruinously expensive lockdowns.

https://twitter.com/MarkChangizi/status/1254796958964858882

But what's worse than making a mistake, is refusing to admit it.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/do-lockdowns-save-many-lives-is-most-places-the-data-say-no-11587930911

That’s for backing up my point by linking information from the 26th and 27th of APRIL.

Multipass

uli84 wrote: »

Mortgage break or whatever getting extended to 6 months...assuming then the restrictions are not getting eased and that the same will happen to covid-19 350€ a week payment haha

good luck everyone and remember we’re all in this together

Well that rankles- unlucky to have been made unemployed just before all of this, my household is 2 adults living on 240 total.. Doesn’t feel a damn like we’re all in this together. I can already predict in the coming recession being told how we all partied on 350 each.

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

They've all got the vaccine, just want to buy up your house cheap.
Like seriously, where's the distancing...Cillian in the back row is a virologist, why isn't he concerned enough to wear a mask.

Impossible to judge distance in that photo, but Cillian and the 2 in the background are likely well outside two meters. While Varadkar and Harris may well be inside 2 meters, it looks like they are leaning in to catch a look at something before returning to original position which would be fine per social distancing.

easypazz

Penfailed wrote: »

No. We aren't in prison.

Still waiting for your evidence to support your claim that the virus struck Spain before it struck Ireland.

Penfailed

easypazz wrote: »

Still waiting for your evidence to support your claim that the virus struck Spain before it struck Ireland.

Have a read back. I posted it earlier. Someone else did too.

GazzaL

LOL @ the people trying to denigrate Elon Musk. He's probably achieved more this morning than most people have in a month.

MOH

seamus wrote: »

There won't be dates at all, as the plan will be goal-driven, not date-driven.

It'll be more like, "When number X has been at or below value Y for two consecutive weeks, then we will move to phase 2. Phase 2 will last for at least four weeks. At the end of these four weeks if <...> criteria are met, we will move to phase 3. If not, we remain in phase 2 for two more weeks. If the figures regress, we will step back to phase 1".

You mean the same way they said 4 weeks ago they wanted to get the R0 number below 1? And now that it's around the 0.6 mark that's not low enough?

There is a concerted effort within our media, to undermine the state's effort and controlling this outbreak. I have no idea where it's coming from, but it's there. DOB's media are bad for it, but there are worse ones.

You must be joking! One thing that had concerned me a bit is that I hadn't been a single article with even the vaguest critical analysis of any government statements or figures for the last 6 weeks or so. It very much smacked of an agreement not to run negative stories and support the government while trying to deal with the situation. Which is understandable, on one level.
That's finally broken this ween and there's been a couple of articles pointing out that the government have come out with a raft of excuses over the last week for extending lockdown, covering up their complete failure to procure the necessary testing levels.

Calling that a concerted effort to undermine the state is bizarre.

I still haven't seen one article pointing out that the figures published every day are totally worthless. the number of "new" cases is totally meaningless without a breakdown of what dates the tests were taken. Which is still over a week's lag on average, after being 2-3 weeks before.
The "new" figures being published last time the lockdown was extended largely related to people who had contracted Covid-19 before the lockdown had evenstarted, but I didn't see any undermining media articles pointing that out.

The increase in "new" figures a week ago is largely due to clearing the backlog of 2 and 3 week old tests. The fact the figures haven't spiked massively as a result is actually an indication of a significant decrease. Again, no undermining media analysis or even basic discussion of this.

There's been a combination of goalpost moving along with a massive, tragic failure to protect the people most at risk. The government should rightly be facing questions over this. That's part of the job of a responsible media. They were given leeway at the start, but over the last two weeks I've totally lost confidence in their entire handling of the crisis. It's perfectly reasonable that questions should start being asked at this point.

GazzaL

Deleted User wrote: »

What about the regular workload in ICU?

We're operating at around 50% of our original ICU capacity. That seems reasonable to me.

GazzaL

road_high wrote: »

What happens after that? When the mortgage holders have no job to return to? And they can’t meet the repayments?

Mortgage breaks are nonsense, much like business rate defferals. The money still has to be paid. If your income is destroyed, you haven't a hope of being able to meet the new payments in a few months down the road.