Everything will change after Coronavirus

pgj2015

pgj2015 wrote: »

would you say that if your parents left you a house worth 2 million euro?

I'd gladly take the 2 million but no, I wouldn't deserve it. What have I done to deserve it? By virtue of being born into a particular family?

Cordell

pgj2015 wrote: »

Tell that to the likes of Duncan Bannatyne.

it will make me rich I can guarantee you that.

Well, I sincerely wish the best of luck to you, clearly you have the goal set and the determination to get there

pgj2015

meeeeh wrote: »

Do you sell something unique or will you be undercut by the hordes of people who lost their jobs and can offer the same as you cheaper? Possibly working from home somewhere in India.

it is a costly business to get into for starters so not many people will have money to enter the market but even if they did and undercut me. i have the money now to set up any number of other businesses.

pure.conya

Wow, there's still such a high level of ignorance around its actually shocking, some of you are still so disconnected from reality is scary, labeling anybody that wants a fairer society as a lazy dole cheating stoner, wow, you're all going on as if yer the only ones working hard and paying taxes/bills, mortgages on overpriced houses, paying twice the rent that a property is worth etc.

How about instead of thinking your neighbours, coworkers, associates, brothers and sisters and everybody around you are the enemy how about turning your anger towards the likes of corporations, developers, bankers, vulture capitalists, cookoo funds, unsecured bondholders, tax exiles and the rest that are constantly given debt write-offs, handouts, bailouts, allowances, business opportunities, sly deals, compensation even when not really entitled, while using offshore tax haven accounts to avoid or loopholes to limit their tax liabilities so low that they're paying less tax than a PAYE worker does?

Off to the pub with ye as soon as ye can, but if a second or third wave of a mutated and more dangerous variation of the virus strikes you down because of a stupid and idiotic non-essential decision the don't come crying to us afterwards.

pgj2015

Cordell wrote: »

Well, I sincerely wish the best of luck to you, clearly you have the goal set and the determination to get there

Thanks.

Jenbach110

Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »

Working 7 days a week, in order to "get rich"... is a shallow and materialistic existence.

I know plenty of people who have followed that sort of life plan. And I can say hand on heart, none of them seem happy or physically/mentally healthy!

I know one such person, in particular, who is currently battling cancer. They dedicated their life 24/7 to building their business up and the pursuit of wealth... they even ridiculed other people who were not as driven for this sort of success.

I'm not suggesting they deserved cancer. Nobody deserves cancer... but their lifestyle was not a healthy one. They ignored pretty much everything else except making money.

I hate this mentality - the mentality where people wrap up all their self-worth in what they do for a living and the insatiable drive for materialistic gains! And many people heap praise on them for their workaholic lifestyle!

If there is one thing that I hope changes, as a result of this pandemic, it's this mentality... of course you will never change everybody. But even if a certain % of people moved away from this materialistic mentality - it would be a really positive thing to come out of such a crappy situation!

Driven people like you described are required to generate employment and deliver services for the less motivated among us.
Its not a charachter flaw.
How can you possibly tell if they are happy or not? Most highly motivated people do not take pleasure from interaction and small talk with others, they take pleasure from being occupied. Someone working 80 hours a week can be extremely content and much more fulfilled than someone who binge watches eastenders.
Successful people are viewed with a type of envy and judgement that they couldnt be happy

pure.conya

Kivaro wrote: »

Most definitely.
Now is not the time obviously.

But when the bills do start to come in; we all need to start paying for it ..... together. Even if it includes a small tax on welfare payments.

Great, I look forward to the tax avoiders and corporations all chipping in

Beasty

Many people's work patterns will change for the better. They will spend less time in their cars. People will start to realise the damage they were doing to the planet. I can see fundamental changes happening to the travel industry and many airlines will either not survive or significantly cut back operations. On the other hand we may get a bit of a boost towards our carbon emissions targets

Many businesses will not survive. It will take some time to get back to full employment. People's standards of living will fall

And that's before considering how we pay for it all. This will cost more than the crash. We were in better condition going into this than we were when we went into the crash, but we won't have as much support to come out of this as every country has its own needs to consider first. The State's balance sheet will take a massive hit and we will be paying for this for the next decade or more

We will get back to "normal" at some stage, but it will be a different "normal" to what it was before

Beasty

Beasty wrote: »

Many people's work patterns will change for the better. They will spend less time in their cars. People will start to realise the damage they were doing to the planet. I can see fundamental changes happening to the travel industry and many airlines will either not survive or significantly cut back operations. On the other hand we may get a bit of a boost towards our carbon emissions targets

Many businesses will not survive. It will take some time to get back to full employment. People's standards of living will fall

And that's before considering how we pay for it all. This will cost more than the crash. We were in better condition going into this than we were when we went into the crash, but we won't have as much support to come out of this as every country has its own needs to consider first. The State's balance sheet will take a massive hit and we will be paying for this for the next decade or more

We will get back to "normal" at some stage, but it will be a different "normal" to what it was before

Flying to other countries for a meeting will hopefully die

emo72

The trolley crisis that was unsolvable for decades was sorted in a matter of hours. That's a good thing.

anewme

You can already see who will bounce back and who will flounder. The ones waiting on others to fail in the hope they get something for nothing, or others fail, just to see them fail. Those people will never have anything.

As someone else says above, adaptability and diversification is the key.

The the rich will always stay very rich they are there now, the poor will still be waiting for their free house.

For the rest of us, how we focus and adapt will mean the difference between coming out of this the other side

jimmyrustle

AllForIt wrote: »

Socialists and leftists seem to think that society will change in some fundamental way when this is all over.

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That's because they think any problem should be solved by printing more money, rather than the truth, that printing money should only be used to solve a once in a lifetime problem like this one.

silverharp

Global Warming modellers wont get the same respect, a lot of people will realise that models have little predictive power beyond persuasion

One eyed Jack

pure.conya wrote: »

Off to the pub with ye as soon as ye can, but if a second or third wave of a mutated and more dangerous variation of the virus strikes you down because of a stupid and idiotic non-essential decision the don't come crying to us afterwards.

What’s a lazy dole cheating stoner going to do about it? Stick a candle in your window, clap your hands, and whinge about people not adhering to social distancing?

The amount of misanthropic narcissist fantasists imagining that society will somehow become the utopia where they imagined themselves having all the power to dictate the lives of other people is just not going to happen. The smelly Occupy types tried it a few years back, now Bill fcuking Gates is the current poster boy for social change. Bill Gates, billionaire philanthropist, the 1% of the 1%, and you think anyone’s going to come crying to you? :pac:

Beasty

Deleted User wrote: »

Flying to other countries for a meeting will hopefully die

I think it largely will in Europe - my concern would be the US where they fly everywhere for meetings

Having said that I'm one of the "culprits" in terms of international travel. I would still want to get to the likes of Old Trafford for matches. I've got 800,000 Avios miles to cash in and it's always easier to preach than practice

pjohnson

Hopefully AirB&B is gone for good. That'll help put houses back on the market. Figures show how badly that was strangling the housing market and inflating rent.

RandomViewer

WashYourHands wrote: »

That is not the goal

He's a big fat dude who never leaves his room, probably never worked a day in his life but spouts complete garbage about working 7 days and killing anyone who doesnt

anewme

Beasty wrote: »

Many people's work patterns will change for the better. They will spend less time in their cars. People will start to realise the damage they were doing to the planet. I can see fundamental changes happening to the travel industry and many airlines will either not survive or significantly cut back operations. On the other hand we may get a bit of a boost towards our carbon emissions targets

Many businesses will not survive. It will take some time to get back to full employment. People's standards of living will fall

And that's before considering how we pay for it all. This will cost more than the crash. We were in better condition going into this than we were when we went into the crash, but we won't have as much support to come out of this as every country has its own needs to consider first. The State's balance sheet will take a massive hit and we will be paying for this for the next decade or more

We will get back to "normal" at some stage, but it will be a different "normal" to what it was before

I get where you are coming from Beasty but I fear some of it may be aspirational.

Unfortunately, you have people here yesterday, in parks, at the canal, at bbq's where it has to be said, the nearest they will get to thinking of a planet is a Mars bar.

biko

I think a lot of people will continue to be wary, I for one will bring hand sanitiser around with me for a long time.


Tbh, if the Chinese are back to eating bats after a few weeks of lockdown then we'll be back in the pubs sooner rather than later.

RandomViewer

Downlinz wrote: »

Anyone who thinks everything will go back to "normal" is in a stage of denial and understandably so.

Those who think everything will go back to normal aren't normal themselves, they are mostly people who worship money and have nothing else in their lives, the lockdown has left them bereft of anything to do and they can't interact socially when there's no money in it.

pure.conya

One eyed Jack wrote: »

What’s a lazy dole cheating stoner going to do about it? Stick a candle in your window, clap your hands, and whinge about people not adhering to social distancing?

The amount of misanthropic narcissist fantasists imagining that society will somehow become the utopia where they imagined themselves having all the power to dictate the lives of other people is just not going to happen. The smelly Occupy types tried it a few years back, now Bill fcuking Gates is the current poster boy for social change. Bill Gates, billionaire philanthropist, the 1% of the 1%, and you think anyone’s going to come crying to you? :pac:

Lol

Beasty

pjohnson wrote: »

Hopefully AirB&B is gone for good. That'll help put houses back on the market. Figures show how badly that was strangling the housing market and inflating rent.

I am hoping there will be a complete re-set of the housing market. TBH more people on the dole will bring down demand and prices. As more people start spending more time working remotely hopefully demand for Dublin property will fall.

I just completed on the "retirement home" in February, and will need to sell the current one in a post Covid-19 market. It probably means the price I will get will dramatically reduce, but the money will hopefully go nearly as far as it would have in a pre Covid-19 world

nthclare

anewme wrote: »

You can already see who will bounce back and who will flounder. The ones waiting on others to fail in the hope they get something for nothing, or others fail, just to see them fail. Those people will never have anything.

As someone else says above, adaptability and diversification is the key.

The the rich will always stay very rich they are there now, the poor will still be waiting for their free house.

For the rest of us, how we focus and adapt will mean the difference between coming out of this the other side

Separating the wheat from the chaff and the air heads in the middle...

Friendships are very important too, most of my friends are self-sufficient and there's a group of us, who's into bushcraft and survival in the outdoors.
Around 8 of us two are super toffs, Anglo Irish hole in their trousers rolling in money type's, few artist's musician and an organic gardener and creative gardener myself.
Two women and 5 men and Chris the hairdresser he's a ball of fun,the only gay in the bush he's the most optimistic guy in the group.

We take nothing from each other but willing to learn and work as a team, we're world's apart in the wealth scale, but we're all friends and have a bond which society or egocentrism will never separate.

A few of the middle class plebs resent our click but any time we had one try to join us,he bored us to fckin tears talking about car's, cheesy holidays and property... getting resentful when he took the short straw to be the Cook...

Survival of the fittest and the alpha male and responsible women will prosper...

jill_valentine

anewme wrote: »

The the rich will always stay very rich they are there now, the poor will still be waiting for their free house.

This American style ****e of imagining wealth as a character virtue is bizarre.

Hardest I've ever had to work was in all the lowest paid jobs I did. The best paid I've ever been was in jammy easy office jobs I was referred to by chance. I can say the same for most people I know.

We're all a few weeks difference from being poor, but short of a lotto win, funnily enough we're never within the same distance of being rich. In as dramatically unequal a society as we have in post Celtic Tiger crash Ireland, the average person is much closer and has much more in common with the poor than the rich, we shouldn't be labouring under any other delusion.

There's nothing wrong with being rich, but the idea they're just somehow a better class of people and deserve it all is the kind of thing kids might tell themselves to feel better.

jimmyrustle

Beasty wrote: »

Many people's work patterns will change for the better. They will spend less time in their cars.

They really won't.

If working from home was such a viable option companies would have shut their physical workplaces years ago to save on rent. The ability to slack off and blame system issues is off the charts. Working from home is at best keeping heads above water. Ask anyone actually doing it, it's a clunky skeleton service at best. The missus does send me photos of 8 person meetings with 3 of the cameras blacked out.

Next someone is going to suggest we will have all become so enamoured with online shopping that this is the end of physical stores.


Only one I'd worry about is whether people become too used to using tap and go and it speeds up the end of cash (although then again, can it ever really end?).

In normal times I doubt I tap and go more than four times per year, it's a horrendous invention.

Antares35

Hopefully it will encourage more companies to allow staff to work from home a bit more.

I cant really see any lasting change in peoples' mindsets. I would say the vast majority will be straight back to the pubs etc. Sure look at the numbers who could barely stay at home when it mattered. Sadly, I also think that terrible personal manners and hygiene will prevail among many... coughing into the air, not using tissues, hacking and spitting on the street and not washing hands - all things that helped the spread of this thing. Such bad habits will not go away though hopefully they will be punishable with shooting on the spot

MadYaker

Ill still be driving the same car, living in the same house and doing the same job. There'll be some changes but nothing fundmental I don't think. Obviously its different for others who have lost jobs or loved ones. I'm more insulated from this than most people so my life isn't going to change much. I hope property prices come down so I can buy.

Antares35

MadYaker wrote: »

Ill still be driving the same car, living in the same house and doing the same job. There'll be some changes but nothing fundmental I don't think. Obviously its different for others who have lost jobs or loved ones. I'm more insulated from this than most people so my life isn't going to change much. I hope property prices come down so I can buy.

With you on the house prices. We are part of the generation that was priced out to a large extent. We both still have our jobs thank God so hoping to buy within a year. Baby on the way so our lives were over anyway

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

jimmyrustle wrote: »

They really won't.

If working from home was such a viable option companies would have shut their physical workplaces years ago to save on rent. The ability to slack off and blame system issues is off the charts. Working from home is at best keeping heads above water. Ask anyone actually doing it, it's a clunky skeleton service at best. The missus does send me photos of 8 person meetings with 3 of the cameras blacked out.

Argueably, this may happen. Once companies realise they don't need as many people present at the same time ar said premises, they can ndownscale and reduce their rent. That's not to say everyone will be working from home all the time, but I can see a lot of people going to two/three days a week from home which will reduce the number of cars.

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That said, I don't see any fundamental changes on the horizon. Small ones yes - but the ideas of a more equal redistribution of wealth or a siesmic politcal shift? No. Too many vested interests in influential places and the ultimate fragility of the human ego.

Humanity doesn't want equality.

Canyon86

jimmyrustle wrote: »

They really won't.

If working from home was such a viable option companies would have shut their physical workplaces years ago to save on rent. The ability to slack off and blame system issues is off the charts. Working from home is at best keeping heads above water. Ask anyone actually doing it, it's a clunky skeleton service at best. The missus does send me photos of 8 person meetings with 3 of the cameras blacked out.

Next someone is going to suggest we will have all become so enamoured with online shopping that this is the end of physical stores.


Only one I'd worry about is whether people become too used to using tap and go and it speeds up the end of cash (although then again, can it ever really
end?).

In normal times I doubt I tap and go more than four times per year, it's a horrendous invention.

I find WFH extremely difficult, productivity wise I am at about 40% at best, very hard to focus at home but I guess that 40% work i do is better than nothing at all
Granted I am grateful to be able to stay working !!