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Everything will change after Coronavirus

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  • #32
    archer22
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,116 ✭✭✭archer22


    blade1 wrote: »
    What do ye reckon the leaders of countries worldwide will do to stop this from happening again.
    Surely can't be allowed to happen again.

    Hopefully take the illegal wildlife trade seriously and stamp it out ruthlessly, its not only driving other species to extinction but has now caused a worldwide Human disaster.
    But sadly I don't hear this root cause of the disaster getting a mention from world leaders..or indeed hardly anybody else either for that matter.


  • #33
    Harry Palmr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 40,059 ✭✭✭✭Harry Palmr


    They'll be changes but probably not the obvious ones like peace, compassion and greater equality.


  • #34
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    I think there will be changes.

    But they will be somewhat subtle changes. Mostly within our individual and collective psyche... this will have a deep impact on how many people view their life, their work, their connection to the community!

    I don't see how living through something like this, can leave you unaffected mentally. Even if it's just gaining a greater appreciation for the simple things that most of us take for granted.

    This crisis has made me realise, that we are not a whole lot different to our ancestors that lived and struggled to survive 100 years ago or more. The only main difference, is that those people expected another crisis to appear regularly... where as, we have been somewhat blindsided by the magnitude of this. Particularly in the west, where we have probably been living a bit of a charmed existence for the last few decades.


  • #35
    _Brian
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,153 ✭✭✭✭_Brian


    Can’t see anything changing radically. Look after the ‘08 meltdown how quickly people returned to materialistic ways and spending.
    As for us having some sort of love in, equality for all left governed society, not a hope. There’s no way control will be turned over to a bunch of idealists with 5th class level of ideas for governing a country.

    People will be mad for their cheap tat from China, for cheap foods from questionable sources, for mad beer nights out. We will see hospital admissions from drink and drugs surge when people get back out.


  • #36
    italodisco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭italodisco


    Not trying to funny, but I'd assume the likes of tinder and grinder hook ups and the trip to copper face Jack's for the easy lay will see a massive drop.


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  • #37
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    The more things change, the more it stays the same.
    Leo said today that there will be no changes to social welfare.
    So the workers will still have to maintain one of most generous welfare systems in Europe; one that has many non-working welfare recipients having a much greater quality of life and be financially better off than workers with families.

    The country just cannot afford it anymore, but that will not stop FG/FF from borrowing to shore up the welfare system. And then when this pandemic subsides, they will increase income taxes to sustain welfare payments .... but these income taxes will only be forced on the workers in this country.


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 333 ✭✭ [Deleted User]


    The_Brood wrote: »
    99% of the "rich" do not deserve a lick of what they have. Either family inheretance, or they are good at coding or playing financial games with imaginary numbers. While the rest of us have to slave away to survive. That has to end by any and all means necessary.

    Sounds a lot like somebody wants to take what others have worked for because they are unhappy with their lot in life. If leave my kids some inheritance money, of course they deserve it, if somebody else choses a profession where they make their salary by coding software or by trading stocks, good for them, they've learned their trade, made a choice to learn, I might add. We're lucky enough to live in a society where you can make a decent life for yourself. Equally we also live in a society where we're tolerant enough to allow those with cynical bitterness spout nonsense at those people, from their own self imposed corners of hate.


  • #39
    italodisco
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,422 ✭✭✭italodisco


    Kivaro wrote: »
    The more things change, the more it stays the same.
    Leo said today that there will be no changes to social welfare.
    So the workers will still have to maintain one of most generous welfare systems in Europe; one that has many non-working welfare recipients having a much greater quality of life and be financially better off than workers with families.

    The country just cannot afford it anymore, but that will not stop FG/FF from borrowing to shore up the welfare system. And then when this pandemic subsides, they will increase income taxes to sustain welfare payments .... but these income taxes will only be forced on the workers in this country.

    One thing that would work and should be done, anyone made redundant / laid off could surely be given temp contracts with their local councils and also in social welfare offices for the amount of hours that equate to 350 per week welfare, there's a definite shortage of workers in those roles that are needed.

    This is a method that should have always been used, roles in councils and the army should be given to those on social welfare without the option to turn it down. Not just money handed out for no return


  • #40
    Danzy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,217 ✭✭✭✭Danzy


    Kivaro wrote: »
    The more things change, the more it stays the same.
    Leo said today that there will be no changes to social welfare.
    So the workers will still have to maintain one of most generous welfare systems in Europe; one that has many non-working welfare recipients having a much greater quality of life and be financially better off than workers with families.

    The country just cannot afford it anymore, but that will not stop FG/FF from borrowing to shore up the welfare system. And then when this pandemic subsides, they will increase income taxes to sustain welfare payments .... but these income taxes will only be forced on the workers in this country.

    That maybe so but now is not the time to cut it.

    Stimulating demand and spending is important now.

    Britain have put in place a mechanism where the Bank of England will finance spending if need be.

    That's groundbreaking.


  • #41
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,152 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    italodisco wrote: »
    Not trying to funny, but I'd assume the likes of tinder and grinder hook ups and the trip to copper face Jack's for the easy lay will see a massive drop.




    what? tinder and people heading out to hook up is going to be the first thing a lot of people will do. most people you described are young and healthy, most of them wont be afraid of getting the virus.


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  • #42
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,822 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    ok, so say some millionaire dies, who deserves their money, their kids or some random poor people? :pac:

    Deserves the money? Both seem equally undeserving


  • #43
    0gac3yjefb5sv7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,945 ✭✭✭0gac3yjefb5sv7


    The pubs will be jammed again for sure.


  • #44
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,152 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Deserves the money? Both seem equally undeserving




    would you say that if your parents left you a house worth 2 million euro?


  • #45
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    I am part of a social organization that can’t work long term without the need for a physical gathering of approx 200 people. We can to an extent work with video conference but it’s not a long term solution


  • #46
    Downlinz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,702 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    Anyone who thinks everything will go back to "normal" is in a stage of denial and understandably so.


  • #47
    Gretas Gonna Get Ya!
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,245 ✭✭✭Gretas Gonna Get Ya!


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    I have heard a few people saying that the result will be the poor taking back from the rich. I hate this way of thinking. i am not rich but the goal is to be rich, that is why i work 7 days a week. the people i heard talking about this taking from the rich, were lazy stoners who never worked a day in their life. i hate this kind of leftist thinking.

    id rather be dead than live in a world were the lazy people with no ambition have as much as hard working people who contribute to society.

    Working 7 days a week, in order to "get rich"... is a shallow and materialistic existence.

    I know plenty of people who have followed that sort of life plan. And I can say hand on heart, none of them seem happy or physically/mentally healthy!

    I know one such person, in particular, who is currently battling cancer. They dedicated their life 24/7 to building their business up and the pursuit of wealth... they even ridiculed other people who were not as driven for this sort of success.

    I'm not suggesting they deserved cancer. Nobody deserves cancer... but their lifestyle was not a healthy one. They ignored pretty much everything else except making money.

    I hate this mentality - the mentality where people wrap up all their self-worth in what they do for a living and the insatiable drive for materialistic gains! And many people heap praise on them for their workaholic lifestyle!

    If there is one thing that I hope changes, as a result of this pandemic, it's this mentality... of course you will never change everybody. But even if a certain % of people moved away from this materialistic mentality - it would be a really positive thing to come out of such a crappy situation!


  • #48
    One eyed Jack
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,104 ✭✭✭✭One eyed Jack


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    I like how you say "politically disadvantaged" when what you mean is "how quickly can we get this **** over with and get back to not giving a **** about the poor"


    You’re conflating champagne socialists with people living in poverty, when the two groups couldn’t be further apart in their political views :pac:

    I don’t think that one single event such as this would dramatically change the way people live their lives, any more than the Great Depression or any other historic event dramatically changed people’s lives. One thing I’m grateful for at least is that we’re hearing a lot less in the media now about this “climate emergency” and “homeless crisis” nonsense.


  • #49
    Kivaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Danzy wrote: »
    That maybe so but now is not the time to cut it.

    Stimulating demand and spending is important now.

    Britain have put in place a mechanism where the Bank of England will finance spending if need be.

    That's groundbreaking.
    Most definitely.
    Now is not the time obviously.

    But when the bills do start to come in; we all need to start paying for it ..... together. Even if it includes a small tax on welfare payments.


  • #50
    nthclare
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,312 ✭✭✭nthclare


    I'd say we'll all be on less than 60,000 a year including CEOs
    Because the wages some people are accumulating for sitting on their throne's doing fck all is going to have to stop.

    Event managers and people in marketing events will be peppering it now, through no fault of their own I'd say event's Will be hard to manage...

    As for people in the Tourism industry like myself will probably be on 3 day's a week until next April although I work for the state I'll happily take the cut.
    Money means nothing to me, as I am self sufficient and love a challenge, fishing, growing veg and foraging for year's is my background.
    It'll give me time to get contact's do course's and work on projects

    Surfing and bodyboarding, hiking keeps me fit.

    Maybe I'll volunteer in a charity shop, do something useful or work in a Café.

    This new age will suit the more adaptive people men and women who are happy with their lot and can rise above it, we never sold our dignity for fool's gold.

    Imagine living on 350 a week and paying 400 a month for electronics, metal a fuel tank and nice trim, alloy's and a Bose sound system wired with gold.
    Bargaining in my head for NCT no NCT, more money for living less money for living...

    The creative people will prosper the wealthy will be still wealthy and the middle classes will be caught in no man's land.
    A landscape of debt, hands in their faces and feeling of financial insecurities...
    Being in the middle must be tough.

    Being a bottom feeder or a super toff we'll get on with it, happy with our lot.


  • #51
    Blueshoe
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,957 ✭✭✭Blueshoe


    FloatingVoter wrote: »
    Yeah, there'll need to be deals done with Diageo / Jameson / Heineken etc. to supply on tick for a more extended period. Customer volume will be lower barring the kids on night one so even in the superpubs trade will be down.


    The likes of Louis Fitz and Charlie Chawke can handle loss leading for a bit but we may be looking at disaster in the towns and villages where the pubs are actually a factor in human life and welll-being.

    I'm pretty sure Louis Fitz and Francis Brennan are the same person though.
    Is this accurate?


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  • #52
    Klonker
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,669 ✭✭✭Klonker


    Kivaro wrote: »
    The more things change, the more it stays the same.
    Leo said today that there will be no changes to social welfare.
    So the workers will still have to maintain one of most generous welfare systems in Europe; one that has many non-working welfare recipients having a much greater quality of life and be financially better off than workers with families.

    The country just cannot afford it anymore, but that will not stop FG/FF from borrowing to shore up the welfare system. And then when this pandemic subsides, they will increase income taxes to sustain welfare payments .... but these income taxes will only be forced on the workers in this country.

    I agree with what you're saying but the problem is that while FF and FG will keep the welfare rates as they are, the rest of the parties would want to increase them further, even though we should do the opposite.

    I especially agree that no non workers should be financially better off than workers, the main thing I want from our government is a fair system which we just don't have at the moment and I don't see anyone proposing anything even close to one. One of the main issues is most people won't agree with what is 'fair'. Another big issue is politicians are afraid say true things because they may be seen as insensitive and they are probably right to do so because there would be media and social media outrage if they did.

    I could give lots of examples but they aren't fully thought out ideas but most wouldn't agree with me anyway.


  • #53
    zerosugarbuzz
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭zerosugarbuzz


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Working 7 days a week, in order to "get rich"... is a shallow and materialistic existence.

    I know plenty of people who have followed that sort of life plan. And I can say hand on heart, none of them seem happy or physically/mentally healthy!

    I know one such person, in particular, who is currently battling cancer. They dedicated their life 24/7 to building their business up and the pursuit of wealth... they even ridiculed other people who were not as driven for this sort of success.

    I'm not suggesting they deserved cancer. Nobody deserves cancer... but their lifestyle was not a healthy one. They ignored pretty much everything else except making money.

    I hate this mentality - the mentality where people wrap up all their self-worth in what they do for a living and the insatiable drive for materialistic gains! And many people heap praise on them for their workaholic lifestyle!

    If there is one thing that I hope changes, as a result of this pandemic, it's this mentality... of course you will never change everybody. But even if a certain % of people moved away from this materialistic mentality - it would be a really positive thing to come out of such a crappy situation!

    Totally agree, very well said! I say this as an ex workaholic I am just eternally grateful I grew out of it. If you have roof over your head, enough to eat, your health and some friends and family you have it all. The very best things in Life are free, its really is all about attitude.


  • #54
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,152 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Gretas Gonna Get Ya! wrote: »
    Working 7 days a week, in order to "get rich"... is a shallow and materialistic existence.

    I know plenty of people who have followed that sort of life plan. And I can say hand on heart, none of them seem happy or physically/mentally healthy!

    I know one such person, in particular, who is currently battling cancer. They dedicated their life 24/7 to building their business up and the pursuit of wealth... they even ridiculed other people who were not as driven for this sort of success.

    I'm not suggesting they deserved cancer. Nobody deserves cancer... but their lifestyle was not a healthy one. They ignored pretty much everything else except making money.

    I hate this mentality - the mentality where people wrap up all their self-worth in what they do for a living and the insatiable drive for materialistic gains! And many people heap praise on them for their workaholic lifestyle!

    If there is one thing that I hope changes, as a result of this pandemic, it's this mentality... of course you will never change everybody. But even if a certain % of people moved away from this materialistic mentality - it would be a really positive thing to come out of such a crappy situation!





    well, really I am working 7 days a week so that i can live a very comfortable life, and so I never have to work for anyone again, I am self employed now the last few years, I do take an odd day off now and again but I love the work I do so I dont really see it as work.

    I dont know about your friends but I have never been as happy in my life than I have been since I started my business. even now this crisis isnt bothering me, I am in a good position because of all the work I did over the past few years.

    you may hate my way of thinking but it is just the way I am, if I only worked 5 days a week every week I would feel lazy. but I dont have a problem with other people doing that, that is up to them, its none of my business.


  • #55
    Cordell
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,825 ✭✭✭Cordell


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    I have heard a few people saying that the result will be the poor taking back from the rich. I hate this way of thinking. i am not rich but the goal is to be rich, that is why i work 7 days a week. the people i heard talking about this taking from the rich, were lazy stoners who never worked a day in their life. i hate this kind of leftist thinking.

    id rather be dead than live in a world were the lazy people with no ambition have as much as hard working people who contribute to society.
    The rich will be sheltered, if they will take anything they will take from the middle class.
    Working 7 days a week will not make you rich.
    The_Brood wrote: »
    99% of the "rich" do not deserve a lick of what they have. Either family inheretance, or they are good at coding or playing financial games with imaginary numbers. While the rest of us have to slave away to survive. That has to end by any and all means necessary.

    The "rich" good at coding or other highly skilled jobs are smart and highly educated people that deserve to be "rich" which is actually middle class, see above.


  • #56
    Jimbob1977
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,239 ✭✭✭Jimbob1977


    When the dust settles, front line staff will continue to emigrate in droves in search of better pay and conditions.

    We are living in a type of Phony War at the moment.

    The A&Es will begin to fill up with alcoholics, drug addicts, people that could be treated at community level and elderly citizens with no access to a nursing home.

    It's the same after wartime. The community spirit melts away once the adversity is overcome.... and it's everyone for themselves as normal.

    The only positive might be the eradication of Air BnB and REITs/vulture funds, but I wouldn't hold my breath.


  • #57
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    People who work in tourism will be affected. You can write off this year. Aviation will be seriously affected. Small and not so small shops will be affected because shopping will migrate online even more. Clothing producers in Bangladesh will go bust and that will probably affect supply chain. Those in property game will be affected and with less mobility and no tourism there should be more vacant properties. There will be huge resentment between people whose jobs will be lost and those who can work from home. If anything inequalities will be even bigger. Dip in gdp will affect everything although mortality among pension age will increase so there will be some savings there.

    There will be no magic socialist utopia but things definitely won't be the same and most people will be affected in a negative way. And on top of that you have Brexit, Europe will be hit and Britain will be hit even more with its great trade deals selling expensive goods and services to countries that can't afford them because their economies will be devastated.

    Happy Easter everyone!


  • #58
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    italodisco wrote: »
    Not trying to funny, but I'd assume the likes of tinder and grinder hook ups and the trip to copper face Jack's for the easy lay will see a massive drop.

    There's always a market for ridin'. Sex is recession-proof


  • #59
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Jimbob1977 wrote: »
    When the dust settles, front line staff will continue to emigrate in droves in search of better pay and conditions.

    We are living in a type of Phony War at the moment.

    The A&Es will begin to fill up with alcoholics, drug addicts, people that could be treated at community level and elderly citizens with no access to a nursing home.

    It's the same after wartime. The community spirit melts away once the adversity is overcome.... and it's everyone for themselves as normal.

    The only positive might be the eradication of Air BnB and REITs/vulture funds, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

    One thing I agree here, Airbnb is dead. Not in a month of Sunday’s would I let a stranger into my home until a vaccine is available.


  • #60
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,152 ✭✭✭✭pgj2015


    Cordell wrote: »
    s.
    Working 7 days a week will not make you rich.




    Tell that to the likes of Duncan Bannatyne.

    it will make me rich I can guarantee you that.


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  • #61
    meeeeh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,612 ✭✭✭✭meeeeh


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    well, really I am working 7 days a week so that i can live a very comfortable life, and so I never have to work for anyone again, I am self employed now the last few years, I do take an odd day off now and again but I love the work I do so I dont really see it as work.

    I dont know about your friends but I have never been as happy in my life than I have been since I started my business. even now this crisis isnt bothering me, I am in a good position because of all the work I did over the past few years.

    you may hate my way of thinking but it is just the way I am, if I only worked 5 days a week every week I would feel lazy. but I dont have a problem with other people doing that, that is up to them, its none of my business.

    Do you sell something unique or will you be undercut by the hordes of people who lost their jobs and can offer the same as you cheaper? Possibly working from home somewhere in India.


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