American response

froog

trump has spent the last few days tweeting about obama and some conspiracy. zero ****s given for the pandemic slaughtering thousands in his country. i feel like he's about to throw fauci under the bus too, and that will not go down well.

LessOutragePlz

walshb wrote: »

Absurdity?

Where the fook have you been the past 3-4 years?

Maybe you need to spend a little more time on the internet

Yeah absurdity to say he wants to be a dictator absolutely ridiculous statements that are bat sh1t crazy.

Carfacemandog

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

You said "controlled" in your post and now you're backtracking to say you said "controllable" because you realise you that you were talking nonsense.

I don't see what's nonsensical about their point? No one person should hold ultimate or absolute control in a functional democracy (or even functional non dictatorship). To use examples closer to home, if Boris or Leo decide to go entirely against what their elected parliament has agreed on to a point that is viewed as no longer conscionable they can be booted out by way of a no confidence motion, for example.

No one person holding total or ultimate power is even what the entire US system of government and their Constitution was built on with the separation of powers and checks & balances system, though having been left to rot without sufficient changes through the ages, it is questionable how fit for this purpose it is anymore.

"Power must never be trusted without a check" as was put by John Adams, a founding father.

So yes, leaders should be able to be controlled - including the US president. It is a central tenet of what their country was built upon.

walshb

Carfacemandog wrote: »

I don't see what's nonsensical about their point? No one person should hold ultimate or absolute control in a functional democracy (or even functional non dictatorship). To use examples closer to home, if Boris or Leo decide to go entirely against what their elected parliament has agreed on to a point that is viewed as no longer conscionable they can be booted out by way of a no confidence motion, for example.

No one person holding total or ultimate power is even what the entire US system of government and their Constitution was built on with the separation of powers and checks & balances system, though having been left to rot without sufficient changes through the ages, it is questionable how fit for this purpose it is anymore.

"Power must never be trusted without a check" as was put by John Adams, a founding father.

So yes, leaders should be able to be controlled - including the US president. It is a central tenet of what their country was built upon.

Thank you

And exactly my point....The number one of any dignified and stable and harmonious society/democracy, is peoples abilities to be able to control...

All of us as one....equal and together......

And those in positions of power even more so, as they are the ones we rely on and look to and place our trust in....If they themselves are not able to be controlled, well, that is when society suffers most...

walshb

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yeah absurdity to say he wants to be a dictator absolutely ridiculous statements that are bat sh1t crazy.

Like I said, where have you been?

There are tons of examples of him "behaving" as if he were some dictator, answerable to nobody, and out of control...

He has no empathy, compassion or ability to be able to get on with and manage and lead and accept and understand and reason and give and take......

Yes, he behaves like the ultimate narcissistic dictator....

one world order

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

Sure. Bats, pangolins, zombies. Trump is still a terrible president and a terrible human being. Amirite?

He may not be perfect but who is. Overall he is a very strong leader who puts America first and is the best president they've had in a very long time.

Christy42

one world order wrote: »

He may not be perfect but who is. Overall he is a very strong leader who puts America first and is the best president they've had in a very long time.

He puts himself first and is incredibly weak. Easily manipulated. Has yet to come out of a 1 on 1 with another leader looking the stronger as he backs down incredibly quickly when put under pressure.

Christy42

On the American response in general. Why is California closing universities for the fall. I disagree with opening up but this is May. Who knows what will happen in September. Why make that call now? People could plan ahead just as easily in July or August if they delayed it till then.

And to cap off the glorious experiment Arizona will allow sports with no fans from Saturday. Not sure if anything will be played though.

walshb

one world order wrote: »

He may not be perfect but who is. Overall he is a very strong leader who puts America first and is the best president they've had in a very long time.

He is the antithesis of a leader.....

Shameless, unscrupulous, narcissist, bullying, hostile, aggressive, polarizing, divisive, vengeful, immature and downright dangerous....and he can be all this at once almost....utterly bewildering.

Just take this one issue/crisis....

Not a single day where he just led.....constant baiting and fighting and blaming and challenging and aggression......

No other leader anywhere comes close....

Leroy42

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yeah absurdity to say he wants to be a dictator absolutely ridiculous statements that are bat sh1t crazy.

He has said numerous times that he is above the law.

He feels that whatever he does is legitimate simply because he is the president.

He has stated, numerous times, his admiration for dictators around the world. Putin, Xi, KJU, Duterte.

He has brought his children into to work in positions they have no experience in.

He calls any media he doesn't like as fake news.

He has stated that people should not believe what they see and hear, only listen to what he says it means.

walshb

Leroy42 wrote: »

He has said numerous times that he is above the law.

He feels that whatever he does is legitimate simply because he is the president.

He has stated, numerous times, his admiration for dictators around the world. Putin, Xi, KJU, Duterte.

He has brought his children into to work in positions they have no experience in.

He calls any media he doesn't like as fake news.

He has stated that people should not believe what they see and hear, only listen to what he says it means.

The poster knows none of this.....has been living under a rock the past 4 years.

is_that_so

Seems like a new Trump initiative

https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2020/05/unveiling-warp-speed-white-house-s-america-first-push-coronavirus-vaccine

one world order

walshb wrote: »

He is the antithesis of a leader.....

Shameless, unscrupulous, narcissist, bullying, hostile, aggressive, polarizing, divisive, vengeful, immature and downright dangerous....and he can be all this at once almost....utterly bewildering.

Just take this one issue/crisis....

Not a single day where he just led.....constant baiting and fighting and blaming and challenging and aggression......

No other leader anywhere comes close....

The MSM have waged a war against him ever since he announced he was running for president. He is meeting fire with fire and is winning. Americans care more about a strong leader and strong country than a corrupt media that hide the reality of the average American and pursue identity politics games and distortion of the truth.

Leroy42

one world order wrote: »

The MSM have waged a war against him ever since he announced he was running for president. He is meeting fire with fire and is winning. Americans care more about a strong leader and strong country than a corrupt media that hide the reality of the average American and pursue identity politics games and distortion of the truth.

The MSM, whatever that happens to actually mean, gave the guy the easiest ride ever. He was given free airtime whenever he held a speech, with very little serious investigation into his policies.

Had the media being doing their job, he would have been torn apart over the contractions over his wall plans. They were more interested in how he battles HC then asking what his actual plan for repeal and replace was.

He was, at least at the start, as a novelty, a harmless idiot, looking for attention but not a serious contender. Even the GOP treated him that way.

But on fighting back and winning. Winning what? Has he defeated the MSM? Has he fixed fake news? Are the MSM now reporting properly?

It seems they want it both ways. He is winning the war against the MSM, yet the MSM are still out of control. So doesn't that signify that he isn't really winning?

What, apart from whinging a crying, has he actually done to correct this apparent flaw in the media? With such a real issue I would suspect that a leader would get trade bodies, experts etc together to sort out the problem. Draft new legislation, create some advisory bodies, instigate some independent oversights.

What has he actually done?

Beasty

walshb wrote: »

The poster knows none of this.....has been living under a rock the past 4 years.

Attack the post, not the poster

threeball

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Yeah absurdity to say he wants to be a dictator absolutely ridiculous statements that are bat sh1t crazy.

You've been proven wrong countless times already so another will make little difference but here you go anyway

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/mar/04/trump-praises-xis-dictatorship-plans-saying-maybe-well-give-that-a-shot-video

rossie1977

one world order wrote: »

He may not be perfect but who is. Overall he is a very strong leader who puts America first and is the best president they've had in a very long time.

Well experts in this area disagree, they had him ranked close to bottom and that was before this whole crisis https://scri.siena.edu/2019/02/13/sienas-6th-presidential-expert-poll-1982-2018/

hotmail.com

Tell me how wrote: »

He's a wannabe dictator, but the pesky constitution won't let him have his way.

There isn't any evidence of this. He seems to spend large amounts of time not in the White House and not even working.

He is however, obsessed with ratings and obsessed with being talked about (good or bad). He says things that he then quickly forgets he's said or back tracks once the attention has been received.

Whilst media is free to report whatever it wants, one would wish that not every mad utterance he makes garners such enormous attention and comment and general faux outrage.

So the dictator accusation is just over the top.

threeball

hotmail.com wrote: »

There isn't any evidence of this. He seems to spend large amounts of time not in the White House and not even working.

He is however, obsessed with ratings and obsessed with being talked about (good or bad). He says things that he then quickly forgets he's said or back tracks once the attention has been received.

Whilst media is free to report whatever it wants, one would wish that not every mad utterance he makes garners such enormous attention and comment and general faux outrage.

So the dictator accusation is just over the top.

"The power of the President is absolute" ring any bells.
His expressions of admiration for Xi, Putin and kim jong.
His absolute abhorrence that someone would question any bills he tries to inact.
His disdain for rule of law.

No nothing like a wannabe dictator.

hotmail.com

threeball wrote: »

"The power of the President is absolute" ring any bells.
His expressions of admiration for Xi, Putin and kim jong.
His absolute abhorrence that someone would question any bills he tries to inact.
His disdain for rule of law.

No nothing like a wannabe dictator.

Yeah yeah yeah. He once said oranges when he meant origins. He probably forgets he even said half the stuff he says.

Why do people get so serious about his madness while others get so much entertainment from it?

threeball

hotmail.com wrote: »

Yeah yeah yeah. He once said oranges when he meant origins. He probably forgets he even said half the stuff he says.

Why do people get so serious about his madness while others get so much entertainment from it?

Most dictators are fcukin nutjobs. What are you trying to explain away with that. Its a pre-requesit of the role.

froog

at the risk of hyperbole, i think it could be apocalyptic scenes in the US come autumn when the risk is higher. they are looking to peak mid to late summer and by then, half the states or more will have completely relaxed all restrictions and the governors will be terrified to reinstate them.

ShatterAlan

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

Controlled by who exactly?

I thought ultimate control should be with the president?

If not then what's the point in voting one in, if s/he doesn't have control of the country and the direction that it's heading in be it good or bad.

What in the name of blue FCUK are you on about?


Ultimate CONTROL?


In the hands of one person no matter how insane, incompetent or vindictive they are?


Are you backwards?

Here's an interesting op-ed about Dumb & Dumber:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/10/anglo-american-coronavirus-crisis?fbclid=IwAR1tm2SAX1KwMJ2tLKs5Wx_oDpckUD2RcVqEFOvuMU7Uky-IuhzWbW3ei74

MadYaker

froog wrote: »

at the risk of hyperbole, i think it could be apocalyptic scenes in the US come autumn when the risk is higher. they are looking to peak mid to late summer and by then, half the states or more will have completely relaxed all restrictions and the governors will be terrified to reinstate them.

With no social safety net and states taking several weeks to begin processing unemployment payments due to outdated systems they are in a bind no matter what happens. If they don’t open up the economy people will start going hungry so it’s inevitable that there’s going to be loads more cases. It’s a consequence of the way they’ve built their society.

LessOutragePlz

threeball wrote: »

You've been proven wrong countless times already so another will make little difference but here you go anyway

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2018/mar/04/trump-praises-xis-dictatorship-plans-saying-maybe-well-give-that-a-shot-video

Do you actually think he's being serious with that comment? I mean are you really that deluded? It's clearly meant as a joke, you and everyone else knows that he can't be a president for life. Therefore taking that statement literally is idiototic.

ChikiChiki

one world order wrote: »

The MSM have waged a war against him ever since he announced he was running for president. He is meeting fire with fire and is winning. Americans care more about a strong leader and strong country than a corrupt media that hide the reality of the average American and pursue identity politics games and distortion of the truth.

Argument lost 2nd word in.

LessOutragePlz

ShatterAlan wrote: »

What in the name of blue FCUK are you on about?


Ultimate CONTROL?


In the hands of one person no matter how insane, incompetent or vindictive they are?


Are you backwards?

Here's an interesting op-ed about Dumb & Dumber:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/may/10/anglo-american-coronavirus-crisis?fbclid=IwAR1tm2SAX1KwMJ2tLKs5Wx_oDpckUD2RcVqEFOvuMU7Uky-IuhzWbW3ei74

Ultimate control in the sense that they enact legislation they're at the top of the decision making pyramid.

Yes as I've stated before he's a sh1te president but he has to have ultimate control or else you'd be undermining his power.

What do you suggest is to be done?

Change the role of president because you despise him and everything that he's done?

What would you say to the nearly 63 million voters that voted him in?

At the end of the day that ultimate power is always going to lie with the president whether you hate him or not.

Boggles

Ultimate control??? WTF???

Have I wandered into a Tom Clancy novel?

ShatterAlan

LessOutragePlz wrote: »

You said "controlled" in your post and now you're backtracking to say you said "controllable" because you realise you that you were talking nonsense.

The only difference between "controllable" and "controlled" is that the former precedes the the latter. One ought to be controllable until such time as one is controlled, as needs be.

LessOutragePlz

ShatterAlan wrote: »

The only difference between "controllable" and "controlled" is that the former precedes the the latter. One ought to be controllable until such time as one is controlled, as needs be.

Who then controls the controller and who controls the controller of the previous controller?

Where does it end? This is why ultimate control is with the president otherwise you're undermining his power and this would be a sign of weakness to other world powers.

Imagine a president that was about to sign a big trade deal with another country and he turned around and said oh sorry I need to go back and run this by xyz because I don't have ultimate control over the decision making process he'd be laughed at the second he left the negotiating table.