Championship and Covid

The Lost Sheep

Bonniedog wrote: »

You have not responded to the statistics that prove that there is almost no chance of people under the age of 44 dying from the virus. That is the vast majority of people who are taking part in sport as players, mentors or spectators.

The 0.8% is even less when you exclude those with underlying conditions who are not going to be playing, and pretty unlikely to be mentoring or watching matches either.

Simply put, the statistics do not support a blanket lockdown, and certainly not restrictions on sports when pubs and hotels serving food are open, and at least one of the meat factories where the cluster that locked down three counties is re-opened while hundreds of thousands of people in Kildare, Laois and Offaly are still restricted!

It is a farce.

If GAA had the cojones, they would tell these people that they are going ahead with games as planned. And if trendy gastro pubs like the one owned by their friend can be open, so should the local pub with no food.

Except you are ignoring how these younger people can transmit covid and bring it back to older/more vulnerable members of their families.
Yes younger people who are the majority who play and coach will most likely not get seriously ill but that doesnt mean games should be going ahead with crowds etc

Bonniedog

Bonniedog wrote: »

You have not responded to the statistics that prove that there is almost no chance of people under the age of 44 dying from the virus. That is the vast majority of people who are taking part in sport as players, mentors or spectators.

The 0.8% is even less when you exclude those with underlying conditions who are not going to be playing, and pretty unlikely to be mentoring or watching matches either.

Simply put, the statistics do not support a blanket lockdown, and certainly not restrictions on sports when pubs and hotels serving food are open, and at least one of the meat factories where the cluster that locked down three counties is re-opened while hundreds of thousands of people in Kildare, Laois and Offaly are still restricted!

It is a farce.

If GAA had the cojones, they would tell these people that they are going ahead with games as planned. And if trendy gastro pubs like the one owned by their friend can be open, so should the local pub with no food.

And you still can’t wrap your head around younger people passing it among themselves and on to older people, so there’s absolutely no point in any of your statistics.

Like I said before it just reeks of “I won’t die and I want football, **** the elderly”.

Jayesdiem

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

Except you are ignoring how these younger people can transmit covid and bring it back to older/more vulnerable members of their families.
Yes younger people who are the majority who play and coach will most likely not get seriously ill but that doesnt mean games should be going ahead with crowds etc

To what end? The most important underlying stat is the death rate of less than one third of one percent. Child catches it at training, goes home, infects Mum, Mum beds down for a week or two, almost certainly does not die and then returns to life. Isn’t this how we’ve always responded to transferable illness? What’s changed?

DH2K9

We discuss the new NPHET restrictions with Prof. Anthony Staines on today's Tackling Sport episode. Links here: https://linktr.ee/tacklingsport

Definitely a kick in the teeth to older members of the community that want to watch matches to get a bit of normality back.

I know my own club, Geraldine Morans, a Junior club in Dublin, has been thriving over the last few weeks with both underage and adult matches seeing a lot of support.

Even our jumior championship match on Sunday, the opposition umpire commented on the incredible support on our line and social distancing was being observed.

Surely there is a way this can continue safely without the need to completely ban all spectators. Maybe make masks compulsory if watching a match? Problem solved.

Jayesdiem

DH2K9 wrote: »

We discuss the new NPHET restrictions with Prof. Anthony Staines on today's Tackling Sport episode. Links here: https://linktr.ee/tacklingsport

Definitely a kick in the teeth to older members of the community that want to watch matches to get a bit of normality back.

I know my own club, Geraldine Morans, a Junior club in Dublin, has been thriving over the last few weeks with both underage and adult matches seeing a lot of support.

Even our jumior championship match on Sunday, the opposition umpire commented on the incredible support on our line and social distancing was being observed.

Surely there is a way this can continue safely without the need to completely ban all spectators. Maybe make masks compulsory if watching a match? Problem solved.

Certainly not. The mask is a useless piece of paraphernalia.

Jayesdiem

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Certainly not. The mask is a useless piece of paraphernalia.

They’re not the invincibility that some people think they are, but they’re far from useless.

The Lost Sheep

Jayesdiem wrote: »

To what end? The most important underlying stat is the death rate of less than one third of one percent. Child catches it at training, goes home, infects Mum, Mum beds down for a week or two, almost certainly does not die and then returns to life. Isn’t this how we’ve always responded to transferable illness? What’s changed?

The death rate is Low but cases will increase if you just return immediately to the way things were before covid came in without changing/adapting.

Jayesdiem wrote: »

Certainly not. The mask is a useless piece of paraphernalia.

well thats nonsense. Its well proven they help slow the spread.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

Jayesdiem

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

They’re not the invincibility that some people think they are, but they’re far from useless.

No they genuinely are and they also breed complacency with regard to the spread (of an [admittedly] not very dangerous virus).

Jayesdiem

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

The death rate is Low but cases will increase if you just return immediately to the way things were before covid came in without changing/adapting.

well thats nonsense. Its well proven they help slow the spread.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/coronavirus-mask/art-20485449

No sorry. There’s no credible evidence.

Bonniedog

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

And you still can’t wrap your head around younger people passing it among themselves and on to older people, so there’s absolutely no point in any of your statistics.

Like I said before it just reeks of “I won’t die and I want football, **** the elderly”.

They are not my statistics. They are the state's statistics.

People pass infections all the time. Children build immunity by being out and about, not sitting in front of a TV or an X Box. The flu will be back soon, with a higher rate of infection and hundreds of deaths mainly in same age group as the virus, so we may as well all stay in bed until Christmas i suppose?

There are ways of protecting older people without closing the country down indefinitely.

SAMTALK

Bonniedog wrote: »

They are not my statistics. They are the state's statistics.

People pass infections all the time. Children build immunity by being out and about, not sitting in front of a TV or an X Box. The flu will be back soon, with a higher rate of infection and hundreds of deaths mainly in same age group as the virus, so we may as well all stay in bed until Christmas i suppose?

There are ways of protecting older people without closing the country down indefinitely.

What ways would you suggest ?

Not being smart, just curious

Jayesdiem

kaizersoze wrote: »

Aannnnd I'm out.

Didn't realise you were a GAA fan Gemma!

Off with you then. Your’s is the last resort of any Covid advocate who cannot listen to a dissenting view on the matter. You run. It’s quite infantile to tell you the truth. Use your down time to get up to speed with the statistics that underpin this not especially dangerous virus.

LuasSimon

Id think Stephen Donnelly is quite an anti GAA man anyways , seems to dismiss GAA as a culchie thing from his pad in Greystones Co Wicklow ( not a GAA stronghold)....

Jayesdiem

Jayesdiem wrote: »

No sorry. There’s no credible evidence.

Ludicrous.

Jayesdiem

ReginaldSmythV wrote: »

Ludicrous.

Don’t make me critically break down that article and it’s references for you. I’ll be here all night. Keep up with the mask if you believe it helps you but never forget the image of mosquitos flying through a chain link fence.

SAMTALK

LuasSimon wrote: »

Id think Stephen Donnelly is quite an anti GAA man anyways , seems to dismiss GAA as a culchie thing from his pad in Greystones Co Wicklow ( not a GAA stronghold)....

Seriously!!

arctictree

LuasSimon wrote: »

Id think Stephen Donnelly is quite an anti GAA man anyways , seems to dismiss GAA as a culchie thing from his pad in Greystones Co Wicklow ( not a GAA stronghold)....

Not really true. We sometimes play greystones and when his kids are playing, he is on the sideline.

RGS

If as is claimed by the Government and Glynn that they are trying to stop the spread of the virus then surely all sports should cease for the next 2 weeks.

If the behaviour of spectators is a worry then surely the behaviour of players should also be a worry.
Players as well as spectators travel to and from games, and some car sharing must be going on, players live & work in the community and probably visit their grandparents.

How can this idiotic ban be enforced in a public park like St. Annes and all the other Council pitches in the country.

Bonniedog

More GAA people like McIntyre, Anthony and Corbett need to be coming out against this farce. They are treating us with contempt.

The Lost Sheep

Bonniedog wrote: »

More GAA people like McIntyre, Anthony and Corbett need to be coming out against this farce. They are treating us with contempt.

As opposed to other sporting organisations?
Its a farce to help stop spreading something that has killed 000s?

Happyilylost

RGS wrote:

If as is claimed by the Government and Glynn that they are trying to stop the spread of the virus then surely all sports should cease for the next 2 weeks.

RGS wrote:

If the behaviour of spectators is a worry then surely the behaviour of players should also be a worry. Players as well as spectators travel to and from games, and some car sharing must be going on, players live & work in the community and probably visit their grandparents.

RGS wrote:

How can this idiotic ban be enforced in a public park like St. Annes and all the other Council pitches in the country.

Gaa as a whole, clubs, communities and members are seriously struggling with this measure. Government information is on decisions made is very poor. How can I:

1) Collect friends in a car (advice now is those from different households should wear masks in a car)

2) travel to a busy pub and sit in close proximity to said friends

3) eat and drink for 105minutes with other patrons in said eatery.

4) travel home again

All above is within government regulations. Yet a couple of people can't hop in a car walk through a gate and stand in a 30,000 capacity stadium where you have more of a chance of getting hit by lighting than interacting with someone if that is your desire. Two scenarios don't match up with one seemingly being very harshly punished compared to the other. Government might be about to hit a watershed moment in relation to restrictions. More thought needs to be put into things.

Bonniedog

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

As opposed to other sporting organisations?
Its a farce to help stop spreading something that has killed 000s?

What "thousands"?

1,775 is not "thousands."

About the same amount of people will die this year as last year. 31,000 in 2018 and almost exactly broken down into same age groups.

Most people die of either old age, cancer, heart disease or respiratory problems.

Many of those deaths are caused by smoking, drinking and an otherwise unhealthy lifestyle.

So should we ban smoking, alcohol, chippers, watching the TV instead of walking the dog?

Vast majority of people who get this virus don't even know they have it until they are tested. It is not the Black Death.

robbiezero

The Lost Sheep wrote: »

As opposed to other sporting organisations?
Its a farce to help stop spreading something that has killed 000s?

I'd imagine this lad knows what he is talking about

https://twitter.com/offtheball/status/1296093311132983299

The Lost Sheep

Bonniedog wrote: »

What "thousands"?

1,775 is not "thousands."

About the same amount of people will die this year as last year. 31,000 in 2018 and almost exactly broken down into same age groups.

Most people die of either old age, cancer, heart disease or respiratory problems.

Many of those deaths are caused by smoking, drinking and an otherwise unhealthy lifestyle.

So should we ban smoking, alcohol, chippers, watching the TV instead of walking the dog?

Vast majority of people who get this virus don't even know they have it until they are tested. It is not the Black Death.

Look at the scale of it worldwide? You are just being childish now going on about smoking, booze etc. There is risk in everything but the key is to minimise risk where you can
COVID-19 causes 13% increase in deaths in Ireland between March and June 2020 - HIQA https://www.hiqa.ie/hiqa-news-updates/covid-19-causes-13-increase-deaths-ireland-between-march-and-june-2020-hiqa
We must minimise risk as much as possible to reduce peoples chances of catching covid

Bonniedog

Banning smoking, drinking and eating burgers would beyond doubt reduce annual deaths by thousands.

Making flu vaccine compulsory would save hundreds of lives.

These things the state can do, but they don't because we are not battery hens.

Keeping meat factories and DP centres where the Kildare clusters came from open is hardly reducing risk is it? And is indeed farcical when the under 10s can't have their parents watch them.

Billy Ocean

arctictree wrote: »

Not really true. We sometimes play greystones and when his kids are playing, he is on the sideline.

I've never been a fan of Donnelly, the fact he's on his 3rd political party doesn't make him very trustworthy...

John O.Groats

Jayesdiem wrote: »

The GAA have nothing to apologise for. This was as good a day as has been seen in 6 months for sceptics of lockdown measures because for the first time, a big hitter has put up their hand to question the completely and utterly ludicrous measures that have torn this country, and others, apart in 2020. Those who denigrate people for questioning the measures against this not-especially-dangerous virus are simply not familiar with the latest data, or are so deeply embedded in belief system around Covid which has taken on quasi-religious characteristics. In the UK, the flu killed more people than Covid did in the first week of August. Over here, I’m not sure there has been more than a single death in the last week? Sure you can say what if your granny bla bla bla. That doesn’t wash anymore. If your life has been touched by Covid, that is sad for sure but it is also really unlucky given the chances of having lost a loved one are less than one third of one percent. Some cases, not many deaths – the net effect of this virus is notable only by its smallness and the entire country will pay for it for decades. Well done to the GAA, Covid is here to stay but our behaviours need to change in not accepting this ghastly “new normal”.

More of the usual rubbish. The GAA can question all they like but at the end they will have no choice but to comply with the new regulations. Like it or not pal the new normal is going to be here for a long time to come. Better get used to it and all that it entails.

John O.Groats

Bonniedog wrote: »

What "thousands"?

1,775 is not "thousands."

About the same amount of people will die this year as last year. 31,000 in 2018 and almost exactly broken down into same age groups.

Most people die of either old age, cancer, heart disease or respiratory problems.

Many of those deaths are caused by smoking, drinking and an otherwise unhealthy lifestyle.

So should we ban smoking, alcohol, chippers, watching the TV instead of walking the dog?

Vast majority of people who get this virus don't even know they have it until they are tested. It is not the Black Death.

Absolutely 100% that smoking should be banned.

John O.Groats

Bonniedog wrote: »

You have not responded to the statistics that prove that there is almost no chance of people under the age of 44 dying from the virus. That is the vast majority of people who are taking part in sport as players, mentors or spectators.

The 0.8% is even less when you exclude those with underlying conditions who are not going to be playing, and pretty unlikely to be mentoring or watching matches either.

Simply put, the statistics do not support a blanket lockdown, and certainly not restrictions on sports when pubs and hotels serving food are open, and at least one of the meat factories where the cluster that locked down three counties is re-opened while hundreds of thousands of people in Kildare, Laois and Offaly are still restricted!

It is a farce.

If GAA had the cojones, they would tell these people that they are going ahead with games as planned. And if trendy gastro pubs like the one owned by their friend can be open, so should the local pub with no food.

Much as you might want that it`s not going to happen.

Jayesdiem

John O.Groats wrote: »

More of the usual rubbish. The GAA can question all they like but at the end they will have no choice but to comply with the new regulations. Like it or not pal the new normal is going to be here for a long time to come. Better get used to it and all that it entails.

Admit it, you love this don’t you! Life’s far easier when decisions are made for you, not by you.