An Garda Síochána - COVID19

monkeybutter

Tenzor07 wrote: »

They will check your Tax, insurance, NCT, license.. Seat belts.... if all checks out may even go for your tyre thread depth...breathalyze you...license plate font... loads of things..

will they check the oil for me as well?

wardides

Tenzor07 wrote: »

They will check your Tax, insurance, NCT, license.. Seat belts.... if all checks out may even go for your tyre thread depth...breathalyze you...license plate font... loads of things..

Perfect, and all is in order, have a nice day?

Tenzor07

monkeybutter wrote: »

will they check the oil for me as well?

I'm sure they will, just stand over there and assume the position...

Tenzor07

wardides wrote: »

Perfect, and all is in order, have a nice day?

After the full search of you and your car for drugs also yes...

ginoginelli

What the hell are the guards playing at?

When questioned on their inaction to stopping people breaking the rules - they cited they had no powers and could not do anything. Then they were asked if they need more powers by government last week and they answered no!

Do they just not WANT to police!?

Now these ridiculous checkpoints. It seems to be their answer for everything. For years the only time you ever see a guard is a checkpoints try to catch people going 5 k over the limit and get money out of them.

If they are not going to actually police they should be disbanded and rebuilt similar to RUC and PSNI.

wardides

Tenzor07 wrote: »

After the full search of you and your car for drugs also yes...

And again, no drugs on me or car. No guns. Brilliant sir thanks, have a good day?

In the real world though, what do you think is happening at these checkpoints?

monkeybutter

Tenzor07 wrote: »

After the full search of you and your car for drugs also yes...

going to be some tail back from that


so you have drink taken, have no tax insurance or drivers license, your oil is low, you have agri diesel in the tank and some droogs in the back seat


perhaps you should stay at home

ginoginelli

ginoginelli wrote: »

If they are not going to actually police they should be disbanded and rebuilt similar to RUC and PSNI.

It is an ex ruc/psni officer who came out on the news & said Gardai don't need anymore powers. So maybe not the correct course of action!

Tenzor07

wardides wrote: »

And again, no drugs on me or car. No guns. Brilliant sir thanks, have a good day?
In the real world though, what do you think is happening at these checkpoints?

The whole point is.... while many are salivating at the idea of giving the Gardai more powers to detain people and hand out fines... and others think the Gards are useless... they forget that the Gardai have a wide range of powers to deal with people at these checkpoints and don't need anymore...

Tenzor07

monkeybutter wrote: »

going to be some tail back from that
so you have drink taken, have no tax insurance or drivers license, your oil is low, you have agri diesel in the tank and some droogs in the back seat
perhaps you should stay at home

Now you have it! Many people will just stay at home, therefore the argument to give the Gardai more powers including handing out fines isn't required.

wardides

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The whole point is.... while many are salivating at the idea of giving the Gardai more powers to detain people and hand out fines... and others think the Gards are useless... they forget that the Gardai have a wide range of powers to deal with people at these checkpoints and don't need anymore...

But realistically, all of what you have explained will not happen? Certainly not based off my experience. It's similar to advising the country to where a mask. Whilst there is no penalty for not doing so people will simply ignore it.

Take Spain for an example. Masks on 24/7 unless eating or drinking. Police patrolling regular, on the spot fines if not. Was there a couple of months back and did not see one person not wearing a mask. I'm not holding Spain up as a perfect example of dealing with Covid, but as an example that's a no brainer.

These checkpoints are completely pointless whilst things stand. And that isn't me having a pop at the guards, I actually don't even think there is a need for these checkpoints. Not sure how much they are needed when you look at the geographical location of cases over the past 6 weeks.

Graces7

John_Rambo wrote: »

From what I can gather there has been a community policing initiative that's been implemented during this crisis where Gardai will assist the elderly and vulnerable with shopping for food, medicine and fuel for people that don't have the support of family and friends. So I guess that is specified? It tallies with what I've seen in my locality where we have elderly people in a purpose build community with little or no family support.

If there is already a strong community support group as we have here, then the Gardaí are not needed for this good service.

Discodog

Deliberately delaying thousands including essential deliveries, emergency service workers, public transport just to "encourage" more people to stay at home is ridiculous.

Surely the Gardai are capable of selecting vehicles to stop without causing jams. Plus anyone who wants to break the guidelines can easily avoid the checkpoints.

Checkpoint in Galway today, holding up the traffic & no where near a County border.

Tenzor07

wardides wrote: »

But realistically, all of what you have explained will not happen? Certainly not based off my experience. It's similar to advising the country to where a mask. Whilst there is no penalty for not doing so people will simply ignore it.
Take Spain for an example. Masks on 24/7 unless eating or drinking. Police patrolling regular, on the spot fines if not. Was there a couple of months back and did not see one person not wearing a mask. I'm not holding Spain up as a perfect example of dealing with Covid, but as an example that's a no brainer.
These checkpoints are completely pointless whilst things stand. And that isn't me having a pop at the guards, I actually don't even think there is a need for these checkpoints. Not sure how much they are needed when you look at the geographical location of cases over the past 6 weeks.

In Spain you could be fined for leaving your home unless bringing a Dog for a walk.
They have the Civil Gard which are more paramilitary in appearance out arresting transgressors.
They have drones in the air monitoring compliance.
One of the harshest Lockdowns in Europe apart from Italy maybe.

Despite all this they have the highest case rate of the virus in Europe...

monkeybutter

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Now you have it! Many people will just stay at home, therefore the argument to give the Gardai more powers including handing out fines isn't required.

the one breaking all those laws is it?


i think most will stay at home regardless


they still need fines for the those who couldn't give a ****

TomTomTim

The N7 is still slow, they've been there since at least 8 this morning. What a waste of everyone's time.

monkeybutter

Tenzor07 wrote: »

In Spain you could be fined for leaving your home unless bringing a Dog for a walk.
They have the Civil Gard which are more paramilitary in appearance out arresting transgressors.
They have drones in the air monitoring compliance.
One of the harshest Lockdowns in Europe apart from Italy maybe.

Despite all this they have the highest case rate of the virus in Europe...

but it was a **** storm before all this


they had little choice really

dmakc

Are people supposed to just u turn on the motorway?

Tenzor07

dmakc wrote: »

Are people supposed to just u turn on the motorway?

Google maps

dmakc

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Google maps

And how does a garda ensure this? Wait for a friendly wave coming back the other side?

wardides

Tenzor07 wrote: »

In Spain you could be fined for leaving your home unless bringing a Dog for a walk.
They have the Civil Gard which are more paramilitary in appearance out arresting transgressors.
They have drones in the air monitoring compliance.
One of the harshest Lockdowns in Europe apart from Italy maybe.

Despite all this they have the highest case rate of the virus in Europe...

Did you miss my point where i said I'm not holding up Spain as a perfect example? More that penalties lead to better compliance.

Tenzor07

dmakc wrote: »

And how does a garda ensure this? Wait for a friendly wave coming back the other side?

Ya wha?

Tenzor07

wardides wrote: »

Did you miss my point where i said I'm not holding up Spain as a perfect example? More that penalties lead to better compliance.

Yes, was just making the point that in the countries like Spain who cracked down very hard on the population back at the start of this are now experiencing the highest levels of cases again..

eleventh

OhToBeByTheSea wrote: »

You sure think very highly of yourself if you think the Gardai/the government are that interested in you that they'd be tracking you in this manner.

Who decides what the gards are interested in?
Why are gardai 'interested in' stopping people going about their day? What are your thoughts on it?

monkeybutter

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Yes, was just making the point that in the countries like Spain who cracked down very hard on the population back at the start of this are now experiencing the highest levels of cases again..

yes when they released the lockdown and started letting foreigners back in



so far the numbers of deaths havent correlated which was the whole point of the lockdown

Treppen

dmakc wrote: »

And how does a garda ensure this? Wait for a friendly wave coming back the other side?

He means use Google maps to avoid the checkpoint

dmakc

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Ya wha?

Sorry misunderstood

wardides

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Yes, was just making the point that in the countries like Spain who cracked down very hard on the population back at the start of this are now experiencing the highest levels of cases again..

But that wasn't because of people not wearing masks. There's a huge investigation in Spain at the moment as to why their cases are so high. Much more testing would be the obvious one, but also culture and greater older population etc.

Getting back to the crux of my point, I just don't see anything putting people off travelling other than a bit longer of a journey due to delays at checkpoints. I think it's a massive waste of Gardaí time & resources.

monkeybutter

well lets assume they put the checkpoints at points you can be turned off




anyway, the whole 5g conspiracy fall on its head when the police only really care about doing surveillance on the local chipper




so much so that they were caught lying about doing checkpoints for drink driving

St.Spodo

What are those clowns doing stopping people on the motorway on a Wednesday morning? Where do they think people are going?

Billy Ocean

What does a checkpoint in a county nowhere near a county border achieve regards Covid? For example here in Wexford I'd be in favour of checkpoints in and around New Ross on the Kilkenny border and Bunclody on the Carlow border and another on M11 near the border with Wicklow, there was a few around Wexford town today by all accounts but what do these achieve?

weldoninhio

Oranage2 wrote: »

Does anyone know if you speak Irish to them do they have to let you go?

If you speak to them in English they have to let you go. They've no power.

weldoninhio

Deleted User wrote: »

Glad I don’t have to commute- it’s a pain but a necessary evil I think - it’s the small element of our society who don’t have the discipline to adhere to the guidelines that is making us all suffer

Yeah, all those feckers who head on their holidays at rush hour on a Wednesday morning. :rolleyes:

KindOfIrish

Billy Ocean wrote: »

What does a checkpoint in a county nowhere near a county border achieve regards Covid? For example here in Wexford I'd be in favour of checkpoints in and around New Ross on the Kilkenny border and Bunclody on the Carlow border and another on M11 near the border with Wicklow, there was a few around Wexford town today by all accounts but what do these achieve?

More checkpoints - more overtime payments. More overtime payments - the country will be a bankrupt quicker. When the state is a bankrupt, we can forget about any type of restrictions, lockdowns and other nonsense. Bingo. Bring level 5 as soon as possible!

wardides

wardides wrote: »

I think it's a massive waste of Gardaí time & resources.

And money

Van.Bosch

Listening to drew Harris yesterday, he seemed to be saying, we can’t stop you but the kind of people who will go through the checkpoint will usually have made poor choices elsewhere as could be dealt with using other powers.

Is it just me or is that outrageous? I have no intention of leaving my county but if I did, I would be breaking no law so why would the guards be out to get me?

ginoginelli

Billy Ocean wrote: »

What does a checkpoint in a county nowhere near a county border achieve regards Covid? For example here in Wexford I'd be in favour of checkpoints in and around New Ross on the Kilkenny border and Bunclody on the Carlow border and another on M11 near the border with Wicklow, there was a few around Wexford town today by all accounts but what do these achieve?

Basically nothing. It's purely optics so they can be seen to be doing something - and also getting a bit of handy overtime to boot. As another poster alluded to it's a ****iing Wednesday morning, all they are doing is disrupting law abiding people going to work and other essentials for the most part.

Shambolic.

Billy Ocean

ginoginelli wrote: »

Basically nothing. It's purely optics so they can be seen to be doing something - and also getting a bit of handy overtime to boot. As another poster alluded to it's a ****iing Wednesday morning, all they are doing is disrupting law abiding people going to work and other essentials for the most part.

Shambolic.

Hard to disagree with that, seems there objective is to be seen doing something even if it achieves little or nothing

Patrick2010

Van.Bosch wrote: »

Listening to drew Harris yesterday, he seemed to be saying, we can’t stop you but the kind of people who will go through the checkpoint will usually have made poor choices elsewhere as could be dealt with using other powers.

Is it just me or is that outrageous? I have no intention of leaving my county but if I did, I would be breaking no law so why would the guards be out to get me?

ij


Yeah, I heard that, think he was suggesting that anyone who didn’t turn back would find guards giving their car a good inspection looking for the smallest fault.

Beasty

Beasty wrote: »

I'm currently self isolating as I'm due to undergo knee surgery in the morning. Got to get from Wexford to Dublin later today as it's being done at the Sports Surgery Clinic in Santry. As I'm isolating I should not be winding the window down to speak to anyone....

I'll put my appointment letter up to the window when stopped and see what reaction that gets

Just drove from South Coast to North County Dublin fearing for all the reported delays - did not encounter any checkpoints (used major roads/motorway all the way). There was one on the N11 SB but nothing at all NB

Van.Bosch

Patrick2010 wrote: »

ij


Yeah, I heard that, think he was suggesting that anyone who didn’t turn back would find guards giving their car a good inspection looking for the smallest fault.

Nuts isn’t it? It’s like saying, we don’t do our job most of the time but if you insist on doing something legal, we will do our job fully and check your light bulbs

spring lane jack

Shower of tramps holding up the whole country.

Discodog

The obvious conclusion is that, if the Gardai have the resources for three weeks of this, then either they are ignoring crime or are overstaffed.

Rrrrrr2

KindOfIrish wrote: »

More checkpoints - more overtime payments. More overtime payments - the country will be a bankrupt quicker. When the state is a bankrupt, we can forget about any type of restrictions, lockdowns and other nonsense. Bingo. Bring level 5 as soon as possible!

Yes very much a case of let’s milk this while we can.
Anyone who thinks these checkpoints will make a blind bit of difference to coronavirus need their heads examined quite frankly.

stephenjmcd

Beasty wrote: »

Just drove from South Coast to North County Dublin fearing for all the reported delays - did not encounter any checkpoints (used major roads/motorway all the way). There was one on the N11 SB but nothing at all NB

They're more located on routes outside the city. Large checkpoint at Bray SB and on arterial routes outside the M50.

Absolutely massive talebacks still. Plenty of videos on social media.

Your drive back if coming past Bray won't be as pleasant. Very very long delays all through this morning and afternoon. What is normally a 10 min journey taking over an hour.

Get Real

ginoginelli wrote: »

Basically nothing. It's purely optics so they can be seen to be doing something - and also getting a bit of handy overtime to boot. As another poster alluded to it's a ****iing Wednesday morning, all they are doing is disrupting law abiding people going to work and other essentials for the most part.

Shambolic.

Seriously. You don't think politicians are in garda management's ears to cover their own arses if Level 3 goes t*ts up because they chose to go against NPHET?

"handy" as you say, overtime. Being forced to cancel annual leave, or arrange a baby sitter, or be called into work on your wife's birthday. To stand like a lollipop and get grief off people, while you have a tonne of paperwork and red tape that you can't get done on your work days, never mind your day off. 15 hour shifts?
That's not handy. It's no choice. Imagine at the drop of a hat, you were rang at 10pm on a Friday evening, to come in for 6am on Saturday and tough if you've plans.

The guards themselves also commute to work don't forget, and also get caught in these ridiculous jams. They probably agree with you.

Just pawns taking the flak, many layers below the legal aid train, bureaucracy, politics and bomb passing.

I've never seen anyone have a pop at nurses when they can't get a bed in hospital. They blame the minister. Same should happen here. Overtime is a symptom of putting a plaster over a resource wound in the first place. What human wouldn't want there workload eased a bit by extra staff?

People should put in freedom of information to the minister and demand answers. Not moan at the lads on the ground.

John_Rambo

Graces7 wrote: »

If there is already a strong community support group as we have here, then the Gardaí are not needed for this good service.

That's great for you, but not everyone has that sort of community support.

eleventh

monkeybutter wrote:

so much so that they were caught lying about doing checkpoints for drink driving

The guards will be tracked as well. The system will do the policing. Guards will step in as dictated by the system (enter homes/premises, search/verify who's there, etc).

I have no choice but to drive to work from Carlow now I'm face with the inconvenience of having to travel south on the N7 today because the 3 lane road is completely blocked at Black Church and the tail backs this morning were back to newlands cross!!!

I have to go to work to ensure those working from home can continue to work from home because the company provides critical services and yet I am being penalised for not having the privilege of working from home ? this is a disgrace to treat People like this.

Great opportunity to make income from out of tax, no NCT and no insurance........

We need to rise up against this, we really need to wake up!!!

BattleCorp

Deleted User wrote: »

I have no choice but to drive to work from Carlow now I'm face with the inconvenience of having to travel south on the N7 today because the 3 lane road is completely blocked at Black Church and the tail backs this morning were back to newlands cross!!!

I have to go to work to ensure those working from home can continue to work from home because the company provides critical services and yet I am being penalised for not having the privilege of working from home ? this is a disgrace to treat People like this.

Great opportunity to make income from out of tax, no NCT and no insurance........

We need to rise up against this, we really need to wake up!!!

While I sympathise with your predicament, this wouldn't be happening if people copped the fcuk on and engaged in social distancing, masks etc.

This is the price to be paid for dumb fcuks not behaving themselves a month or two ago.