Masks

Wibbs

Yes: other

Pardon my French, but who the fcuk are Jin's Industrial Limited and why are they relevant?

Darc19

expectationlost wrote: »

if that person has so many masks that should sell them at cost to the hospitals or nursing homes they need more then I do.


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I utterly despise this very irish and very negative attitude that permeates society these days.

This utter hatred that manifests itself in people who make themselves self appointed social media police.


You see them all over fakebook and Twitter.

"what about the homeless"

"what about the children"

"give it free"

Frankly these people piss me off.


BTW, hospitals must procure ppe from authorized sources that can show that the products meet medical standards.

fr336

Yes: surgical

Any decent masks on Amazon or Ebay my depression is so high today I can't even focus on reading it ffs

McGiver

No: I don't care enough

Away With The Fairies wrote:

I originally thought that masks were for sick people, I changed my mind. But probably won't go out buying masks because I don't like seeing doctors/nurses without them, so don't want to take them when there's already a shortage. I will be wearing masks that I've made myself. Some protection is better than nothing.

Exactly. Cloth masks are far superior than nothing. But we need critical mass otherwise it's pointless. Essentially, most people in publics spaces need to be wearing them.

Wibbs

Yes: other

fr336 wrote: »

Any decent masks on Amazon or Ebay my depression is so high today I can't even focus on reading it ffs

I get that F, burnout is all too easy for anyone. Look P, if you're staying indoors and keeping your distance from people you're well on the way. But you could try and make your own. There's a few vids on youtube that show ways to make them with little more than tissue, elastic bands and paperclips. Or you could even wear a scarf around your mouth and nose. It's better than nothing.

expectationlost

Darc19 wrote: »

I utterly despise this very irish and very negative attitude that permeates society these days.

This utter hatred that manifests itself in people who make themselves self appointed social media police.


You see them all over fakebook and Twitter.

"what about the homeless"

"what about the children"

"give it free"

Frankly these people piss me off.


BTW, hospitals must procure ppe from authorized sources that can show that the products meet medical standards.

Jin's Industrial Limited was set up on Wednesday the 10th of April 2019 https://www.solocheck.ie/Irish-Company/Jins-Industrial-Limited-647877

expectationlost

Wibbs wrote: »

Pardon my French, but who the fcuk are Jin's Industrial Limited and why are they relevant?

Business seller information
JIN S INDUSTRIAL LIMITED
https://www.ebay.ie/itm/10PCS-Protection-3-Layers-Fabric-MOUTH-AND-NOSE-COVER-FACE-MASKS-mask/223959594563?hash=item3425083643:g:zfwAAOSwedNegIdp

Manion

You haven't indicated what that has to do with anything.

Wibbs

Yes: other

Manion wrote: »

You haven't indicated what that has to do with anything.

They're a company selling masks on ebay? Someone has to, there are loads on the same ebay.

lillycakes2

Does anyone know where you can buy FFP2 masks online or anywhere? also called duck masks? I am a Health care worker and I prefer them than surgical masks which are advocated by WHO and HSE , but I feel safer with FFP2. trying everywhere online but no joy

McGiver

No: I don't care enough

cnocbui wrote:

When this dies down, I want to see every western country do an accounting of whether large quantities of PPE were bought and exported to China in January and February. I'm not talking about long standing contracts, but sudden out of the blue orders or buying up of existing stocks, particularly by resident Chinese nationals and companies who then exported them. I'll bet the 100 tonnes hosed from Australia, leaving shortages, is only the tip of the iceberg.

They were. Chinese for example bought up large stocks of PPE in Czech Republic in January and February. The Czech Intelligence Agency discovered that recently. Loads of PPE were also given to them as aid. Now they sell them to the Czech Republic with a premium. Also giving some as aid and use it as a propaganda against the EU. Very cynical.
I'm pretty sure the Chinese were fishing for PPE in whole EU earlier this year.

dublin99

Lots of sweat shops all over Asia making sub standard fake masks. Some might come with the virus!
Better to stick with reputable brands with EN 14683 standard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--pwI4E9tsk

Wibbs

Yes: other

lillycakes2 wrote: »

Does anyone know where you can buy FFP2 masks online or anywhere? also called duck masks? I am a Health care worker and I prefer them than surgical masks which are advocated by WHO and HSE , but I feel safer with FFP2. trying everywhere online but no joy

Someone put a link to amazon earlier LC I think on this thread. I did a quick scan of ebay and jaysus there are a lot of price gouging bastards. May they die screaming.

I found this one but they're in Latvia, so a bit of a delay.

Price gouger, but closer in the UK

This Italian guy and the duck faced ones you mentioned LC?

I dunno where you are LC, but if your stuck I have one of these 3M yokes that will definitely filter like a boss and you're very welcome to it. Got it last year and I never used it. I got another type that was more suited to my purposes back then.



though you'll look like Darth Vader's slow witted little sister.

Sam Quentin

all about the mane wrote: »

I have access to masks but wouldn’t wear them unless I am up close with a symptomatic covid19 person.

That could be anybody!?
So you should wear a mask all the time in public.
Also there's only one thing better than wearing a mask..... everyone wearing a mask.

lillycakes2

Wibbs wrote: »

Someone put a link to amazon earlier LC I think on this thread. I did a quick scan of ebay and jaysus there are a lot of price gouging bastards. May they die screaming.

I found this one but they're in Latvia, so a bit of a delay.

Price gouger, but closer in the UK

This Italian guy and the duck faced ones you mentioned LC?

I dunno where you are LC, but if your stuck I have one of these 3M yokes that will definitely filter like a boss and you're very welcome to it. Got it last year and I never used it. I got another type that was more suited to my purposes back then.



though you'll look like Darth Vader's slow witted little sister.

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Tehehehehehehe!!! I don't think id be allowed wear that where I work in the frontline , but if I get very stuck . I will know where to find u !!! thanks I see the other links you sent me , I will look into them.....
More what I am looking for below link of pic


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Wibbs

Yes: other

The Italian ebay guy seems to be the closest?

McGiver

No: I don't care enough

Wibbs wrote:

I think the only way we as a people can get this message out is on social media and the like. The more people promote them the more will wear them. It worked well in the Czech Republic, but then again they had leadership in the matter. We're getting half truths and BS from the HSE. Understandable a month ago, damn near irresponsible today.

HSE talk mostly nonsense. Zero transparency on top.

Just to be clear on the Czech situation - The current leadership there is actually quite poor. The mandating of wearing a face mask in public spaces was enforced by the public, from bottom to top. The gov was forced to adopt that measure by the public themselves after a very strong campaign which included celebrities etc. If a better leadership was in place it would have been mandated much earlier. The delay was caused by gov incompetence.

If you want it to happen here, we need to start campaigning. Do an educational website, social media campaign etc. If you need help PM me...

ShadyAcres

Living Off The Splash wrote: »

We approached the Limerick company that manufactures them back in February, only to be told that all their production up to July had been sold. The question that keeps popping up in my head is "sold to who".

Their regular customers probably. Major customers like 3M. If the Hse in the past ordered all their masks from abroad, its hardly the company's fault that there is a shortage here.

SchrodingersCat

McGiver wrote: »

They were. Chinese for example bought up large stocks of PPE in Czech Republic in January and February. The Czech Intelligence Agency discovered that recently. Loads of PPE were also given to them as aid. Now they sell them to the Czech Republic with a premium. Also giving some as aid and use it as a propaganda against the EU. Very cynical.
I'm pretty sure the Chinese were fishing for PPE in whole EU earlier this year.

Cheers for the information. I found an article where something similiar was happening in Australia too. 90 tonnes of PPE were sourced and flown to China in jan/Feb https://www.smh.com.au/national/second-developer-flies-82-tonnes-of-medical-supplies-to-china-20200326-p54e8n.html

Gynoid

SchrodingersCat wrote: »

Cheers for the information. I found an article where something similiar was happening in Australia too. 90 tonnes of PPE were sourced and flown to China in jan/Feb https://www.smh.com.au/national/second-developer-flies-82-tonnes-of-medical-supplies-to-china-20200326-p54e8n.html

Jesus. It is becoming clear that outside of China those with authority were not reacting as fast as they should have been. Supply lines were being picked clean under their noses.

2u2me

Wibbs wrote: »

I think the only way we as a people can get this message out is on social media and the like. The more people promote them the more will wear them. It worked well in the Czech Republic, but then again they had leadership in the matter. We're getting half truths and BS from the HSE. Understandable a month ago, damn near irresponsible today.

Was watching an interview a specialist from South Korea who is currently their public relations guy. He argues the WHO are incorrect to advise against mask usage.

"One of the reasons Korea has a low rate of infection is because people wear masks. Just look at Hong Kong, China, Japan and Korea - in Asian countries people wear masks. In the meantime if you look at Europe and the US the virus is spreading rapidly"

South Korea also seem to have a good handle on things.

[Can't post the link but search for "You need to listen to this leading covid19 expert from South Korea" - and its 15minutes in]

dublin99

Japanese experiment and micro droplet theory that virus can spread during conversation. This may explain the spread in say business meetings and over dinner.

Masks can reduce the risk.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=vBvFkQizTT4

Wibbs

Yes: other

Yeah D, it's abundantly clear from many many solid sources that masks are protective in the community. In several studies into the SARS outbreak they were found to be "strongly protective". The facts are in as much as they ever can be. So what now? We need leadership from the government, but they're naturally taking their lead from the HSE and their advice to say masks aren't of use to the wider community in order to again naturally protect their members working at the forntlines. That time has passed and they need to pull their fingers out on this matter.

If they don't, and I suspect they won't or will take their sweet time doing so, the only way to get this off the ground is through grassroots action by all of us. All of us wearing them. If we can't source any, making homemade ones and sharing all that on social media as a "trend" to get the message across.

Away With The Fairies

Yes: valved

Does anyone know how to stop glasses fogging up when wearing face masks?

Wibbs

Yes: other

Pinch them more tightly by the metal strip across your nose. I have noticed most people who wear surgical type masks aren't wearing them correctly Though even then they're going to reduce some risk, especially from infected people.

Good video on how to put on and take the surgical mask type.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OABvzu9e-hw

Here's one for the N95 types

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zoxpvDVo_NI

Half face respirators are another thing entirely, though if you have and use one of them already you'd likely know how and they're hard to put on incorrectly(though checking them for fit and leakage can be an issue).

SuperRabbit

no member of the public should be wearing an n-95 mask. If you have one, and it isn't used or expired, please please please please give it to a local hospital. They are desperate for them. You could save dozens of lives by giving them one mask.

25% of our cases are healthcare workers. You could stop dozens of infections by donating one n-95 mask.

khalessi

Yes: surgical

SuperRabbit wrote: »

no member of the public should be wearing an n-95 mask. If you have one, and it isn't used or expired, please please please please give it to a local hospital. They are desperate for them. You could save dozens of lives by giving them one mask.

25% of our cases are healthcare workers. You could stop dozens of infections by donating one n-95 mask.

I disagree, people may need them for their own medical conditions.

SuperRabbit

khalessi wrote: »

I disagree, people may need them for their own medical conditions.

You are dangerously wrong. They confer absolutely no advantage in terms of infection risk unless you are somewhere where there is a high concentration of the virus, i.e. on the front lines.

khalessi

Yes: surgical

SuperRabbit wrote: »

You are dangerously wrong. They confer absolutely no advantage in terms of infection risk unless you are somewhere where there is a high concentration of the virus, i.e. on the front lines.

Each to their own opinion, I wore them on the frontlines for 20 odd years and am wearing them now when I go shopping as I know they provide protection.

cnocbui

Away With The Fairies wrote: »

Does anyone know how to stop glasses fogging up when wearing face masks?

Every scuba diver knows you spit on them, rub the spit all over the lenses then gently rinse off. Lasts for a good while.