Partners banned from birth-Mullingar Hospital

splinter65

appledrop wrote: »

What I said was if the hospitial were bringing in such an unreasonable rule they could look to staff wearing PPE instead.

As I already mentioned it makes no sense whatsoever anyway to ban the partner. If the partner has it the mother had it so it's pointless.

PPE is in short supply and shouldn’t be wasted on unnecessary people being present in hospital.

appledrop

splinter65 wrote: »

PPE is in short supply and shouldn’t be wasted on unnecessary people being present in hospital.

How is been present at the birth of your child unnecessary?

My wife is pregnant at the moment, had an 8 week scan yesterday that I wasn’t allowed in for. I won’t be allowed in for 12 week scan either if it even goes ahead.

Luckily she’s not due to October so hopefully things are looking a bit better by then.

Horrible time to be pregnant but dealing with a pandemic is more important than comforting parents to be.

Sleeper12

appledrop wrote:

How is been present at the birth of your child unnecessary?

It was unnecessary for 100s or 1000s of years if fairness. In the grand scheme of things it's still a reasonably modern /new concept.

eviltwin

There are people unable to say goodbye to dying relatives at the moment. A bit of perspective please. I understand that missing a birth or not having the support of your partner is horrible but it's a measure that needs to be taken.

This is it

appledrop wrote: »

How is been present at the birth of your child unnecessary?

I understand where you're coming from but the reality is, it's not necessary for a partner to be there. I missed my sons birth when his mam had to have an emergency C section. It may be traumatic, there may be complications, but bar moral support the partner offers nothing else.

Hospitals need to keep risk to a minimum. This is one of the ways they're doing this.

appledrop

splinter65 wrote: »

I know there have been some tragedies and lots of mistakes. That doesn’t change the fact that Ireland is a very safe place to have a baby in. You do realise that 1000s of babies are born here every year with no problems? Have you had a baby yourself?

Of course I've had a baby myself that's why I'm so annoyed about this.

Yes I know tens of thousands of babies born ok here ever year. However the maternity services we have in Ireland is woefully underfunded + not in good shape.

The major maternity hospitials ceos themselves are regularly saying that unnecessary risks are posed to mothers + babies in this country due to lack of staff, out dated buildings + overcrowding.

Touchee

Touchee wrote: »

I can’t understand the logic either. If the husband/partner has the virus, then surely the mother also has the virus. I don’t there is any additional risk in allowing the partner to assist.

Staff and child.

And yes, allowing a partner to 'assist' a birth is an additional risk but hey, it's only the birth of your child eh?

appledrop

appledrop wrote: »

How is been present at the birth of your child unnecessary?

How is it necessary?

Sleeper12

Niner leprauchan wrote:

How is it necessary?

Both are only necessary for the conception.

NSAman

beggars_bush wrote: »

Very hard on the mothers, with no familiar face to support them

It’s Mullingar, many wouldn’t remember who the father is....

(I’ll get my coat)

Dj Stiggie

appledrop wrote: »

How is been present at the birth of your child unnecessary?

So once a month I go to the hospital for a respiratory check up and to get port flushed. When I was younger my mam would come with me (even when I was a young adult, keep her happy) and then when I was in a serious relationship, my girlfriend would come sometimes so she could ask the doctors and know what's going on. You'd say, fair enough, we can't let them come with me these days and you'd be right.

Except they've gone further. They've closed the clinic entirely, my next appointment will be over the phone. So instead of getting a lung function test and my port which is inside me flushed, which should be done monthly, I'll have a ten minute chat with the doc on the phone. I completely understand given the situation we're in.

So please, tell me again why someone who could be carrying a deadly virus should be allowed into the hospital to stand around?

eldamo

my wife is due at the end of july,

I was there for the birth of our two, not being there will be beyond bizarre,

obviously i am of less than no use in the situation, so I understand

but seriously, bizarre.

Darc19

Op will just have to make another baby to experience the birth.

And with this lock down likely to last a couple of months, there'll be plenty of opportunities to have "Irish twins"

splinter65

appledrop wrote: »

How is been present at the birth of your child unnecessary?

How is it necessary is a better question? The practice of non medical personnel being present in a delivery room is about 45 years in. How on earth do you think any woman birthed a baby before that ?

splinter65

eldamo wrote: »

my wife is due at the end of july,

I was there for the birth of our two, not being there will be beyond bizarre,

obviously i am of less than no use in the situation, so I understand

but seriously, bizarre.

It may be bizarre but if this emergency is still with us then it will be the safest thing for all involved if only medical people are present.

pwurple

Maybe I don't understand this hospital in particular, but why would a port be flushed by a midwife or an obstetrics specialist?

These are different disciplines.

Is there a crossover in staff between various areas at this particular hospital?

splinter65

appledrop wrote: »

Of course I've had a baby myself that's why I'm so annoyed about this.

Yes I know tens of thousands of babies born ok here ever year. However the maternity services we have in Ireland is woefully underfunded + not in good shape.

The major maternity hospitials ceos themselves are regularly saying that unnecessary risks are posed to mothers + babies in this country due to lack of staff, out dated buildings + overcrowding.

No actually it’s in great shape. And you’re failing to explain why totally unnecessary people in the delivery room is going to make any improvement to the general health and safety in that room. Can you explain that now?

lozenges

pwurple wrote: »

Maybe I don't understand this hospital in particular, but why would a port be flushed by a midwife or an obstetrics specialist?

These are different disciplines.

Is there a crossover in staff between various areas at this particular hospital?

I think the poster is just trying to make the point that he is prepared to accept that his usual care will be temporarily compromised due to the pandemic and that that will apply in some way across all healthcare specialties.

eldamo

splinter65 wrote: »

It may be bizarre but if this emergency is still with us then it will be the safest thing for all involved if only medical people are present.

oh, don't get me wrong, I am a supreme rule follower, I will not argue my case to be there.


I will just feel a proper wally where ever i end up


I think eating a bucket of kfc in Dr. Quirkeys is the default second choice and that wont even be open to me.


I understand the need, doesn't stop it feeling weird

Dr hoRse

appledrop wrote: »

What I said was if the hospitial were bringing in such an unreasonable rule they could look to staff wearing PPE instead.

As I already mentioned it makes no sense whatsoever anyway to ban the partner. If the partner has it the mother had it so it's pointless.

So in your opinion two people who have the virus can be in hospital and thats fine because the staff can wear extremely** (you wouldn't believe it) scarce PPE
No! - the mother HAS to be in hospital, she's a patient. You do NOT.

Does the hospital risk every other patient in the hospital as well because you feel you're entitled to be present, or do they give every patient some of the extremely scarce masks and gowns?

It's tough for a woman to go through this alone, but in all circumstances the partner is a guest of the hospital whether in the labour ward or in theatre and can be requested to leave at any stage - this is unprecedented times. You don't need to be there, for the safety of the staff and every other patient that will come through the hospital in the next few months.

shane b

All the hospitals have similiar policies at this stage. The coombe unless it's changed in the past few days only allow partners in for the birth, recovery after and that's it. I understand why they have implemented them but it's hard for the families involved.
My wife gave birth to twins by c-section last Friday in the coombe. All went well but i spent less than 2 hrs in the hospital in total which included time in the waiting room, the theatre and the recovery after. This doesnt give any time to bond with your wife or new baby. Once my wife was moved to the ward, I was asked to leave. I didn't see my wife or babies again in the flesh till they were discharged on Tuesday morning.
My wife had to deal with the twins on her own for 4 days. It was emotionally very hard for her as all I could do was listen to her if she rang me. I couldn't even give her a hug.
The doctors were telling she needed to rest and stay off her feet but yet no staff to help do any of the feeding, changing bathing or settling of the babies. She needed to get home to rest where I 've taken a lot of the workload.

Ubbquittious

splinter65 wrote: »

How is it necessary is a better question? The practice of non medical personnel being present in a delivery room is about 45 years in. How on earth do you think any woman birthed a baby before that ?

Another custom that blew in from America is it?

jrosen

This makes for very sad reading. Terrible time for a couple. Mum to have to do this alone and dad to miss out and not get skin to skin with their baby. I know I would have been devastated as would have been my husband. There is no help post birth.
Just because dads never used to be there and soon we shall return to the norm doesn't take away from the upset this will cause.

I can completely understand how a couple would be very upset

Sorry about that

How does your partner feel about it OP?

endacl

Midnight Sundance wrote: »

It's really asking a lot from new mothers .. they are already stretched enough as it is

Sorry. Sorry.

I know. I couldn't resist.

Sorry.



I'm going to hell...

jrosen

jrosen wrote: »

dad to miss out and not get skin to skin with their baby.

I was present for my first child, at no stage was the baby handed to me. Now it's 20 years ago so things may have changed but still, I didn't feel left out.

Number 2 I missed completely as she was premature and I was away with work so didn't see her for the first 2 weeks.

Number 3 I was there but was told to get out by an angry wife and an old school midwife. I happily obliged. Saw my daughter later that night.

I feel every bit as close to number 3 and indeed number 2 as I do number 1. Probable closer in fact as I have grown into Parenthood as I got older and more experienced.

It's the birth, Daddy has the next number of years for 'skin to skin'. Which by the way, I think it's a stupid thing to suggest he will miss out on in the first place.

Could we not just say 'hugs' and 'effection' or is that not new age enough?

Orion

appledrop wrote: »

we are in the middle of a crisis

Yep - get over it.

appledrop

appledrop wrote: »

I totally understand this is unprecedented times however its not just about having someone to support you it's also about having someone there who can witness what's going on.

There are regularly settlements made in high court due to mistakes made during labour/births in maternity hospitials all around the country.

The most notorious one is also a maternity hospitial in Midland area.

If your on your own + something goes wrong you have no backup. A disgraceful position to put women in.

So bring your solicitor just to make double sure.

Ridiculous argument.

Tell me how

appledrop wrote: »

How is been present at the birth of your child unnecessary?

Because the child will be born whether you are there or not.

Unless, maybe, you are a midwife or a gynecologist.