Seeing as we all have to pay the money the government has to borrow It is their buisness
I’d like to but my tax money is funding this fraud. So it’ll be actioned accordingly
"Alleged fraud", don't be so certain that the source of the rumour is accurate, many's a slip twixt cup and lip and even more slips between pint glasses and lips.
I sense a spot of PUP recepient bashing here, previous attempts and outlandish claims put back in their boxes quickly.
Hearing a rumour does not make it true. Both Revenue and DEASP involved in monitoring PUP payments and it would be both a foolish employer and employee to be actively defrauding the state, a Rumor generally starts with gossip, I also doubt anyone involved in such behaviour would be advertising that fact.
And just to finish, the Hospitality sector has spent the last few months moaning about staff refusing to return to work, this the very sector who could have retained staff by availing of wage subsidy schemes, but no, they dropped staff like bad habits and now making absurd claims about lack of staff, guess what, they've moved on and I'd doubt they'll ever return.
Billions upon billions of our tax money is currently been pissed away on a so called deadly virus but you're worried about a lad getting €50 under the table.
It’s not a rumour, I was told by an employee working in the place. They are 20 years of age and being taken advantage of and were told if they did not accept them conditions than they would not have a job to come back to.
Well your “senses,” are entirely incorrect.
I have no issue with PUP, a lot of people have been hit badly by this pandemic and they deserve/require help, equally, I acknowledge that pubs have suffered gravely too.
However, taking advantage of employees in this manner is fraud and absolutely wrong.
Ironically, you are the one making assumptions without all of the facts here.
I received a letter to my house for receipt of pup payments / to a name i did not recognise.
reported it. Someone was using my address.
So assuming and just assuming this 20 year old is a student, he's likely on the lowest rate of PUP @ €203 per week, if he is a student, he loses this on 7th September. Wether they are on pup or not, it's more likely the employer actually cares less and is just paying under the table. PUP has infact actually nothing to do with employers with the one exception whereby they can report an employee on pup for refusing to return to work. Last time I checked, 85 employers did so at a time over 280k were in receipt of the payment, out of that the DEASP found little or no evidence of breaches. The original POST seem to hint at the employee misbehaving, now it's being suggested the employer is, ultimately I'm not doubting some abuses occurring but very, very, very few and this according to the actual Department overseeing the PUP scheme and be under no illusions, thouragh checks including eligibility confirmation ongoing and regular
It is inevitable there'll be some. Report it if you wish but bear in mind a publican's thinking after such a long shutdown. It will all begin to unwind from September/October anyway.
I got an email saying that I have received a notification from mywelfare stating that someone from welfare will be calling me in a week commencing 19th of july.. Does anyone know what number they're calling from and what they want? I don't pick up random calls as I got many scam calls recently from every kind of Irish phone numbers.. is there a way to call them instead of someone calling me?
At a guess this may be similar to calls made after an announcement on the 26th May that some people would be contacted, offering supports, options if you have lost your job completely, however this was flagged under customer notices on the DEASP website, I don't see any such announcements regarding your notification, have you confirmed eligibility? I don't believe you need to worry it maybe just confirm your employment situation is etc.
The calls made back in early June came from a Dublin number, its highly unlikely DEASP will call from a mobile number and NO you can't call them re this notification.
I received a call from a DEASP officer on Tuesday 6th.. from a 087 number (having been previously notified thru MyWelfare.IE that I could expect a call after the 5th July).
I agree, it is a little bizarre DEASP allowing officers use mobiles to make official calls considering peoples reluctance to answer unknown numbers in light of the current wave of spam calls.
The officer I spoke to was a lovely lady. No way pushy at all.
I got the impression she was operating according to script.. informing me of retraining/upskilling options available etc. In fact, she went out of her way to caution me about signing off PUP until I was assured of my return to work as from 7 July I could not reapply and would be reduced to Jobseekers. We even had a little chat about the possibility/threat of another Wave!
Really odd decision by DEASP to be calling from mobile numbers but I agree its possible albeit odd given the reasons you outline, mine was also perfectly pleasant.
The OP"s notification of a call is however Not, I believe part of any planned reaching out exercise for those on PUP, they don't clarify if they are on PUP or another payment.
Update: Spoke with local SW office, they said they got an alert last week that there was an issue with the system. She said they don't deal with PUP and to confirm all is in order I would need to call the 1890 number or email them, I've chased again via email to ensure all is in order.
Great, the fact there was an alert that there was a systems issue suggests all will be fine, Plus you have screen shots etc
I submitted my 'eligibility confirmation' form on the 8 July, having received notification to do so on the 6 July.
I assumed everything was fine as I immediately received notification that my form had been received.
Another email was sent out to me on the 13 July stating that I needed to 'confirm eligibility' by the 20th or I would loose my payment.
( I somehow missed this email and only double checked today as a result of this thread.. thanks for the 'heads-up' BTW! )
I resubmitted the form and fingers crossed this should be the end of it.
It's reassuring to hear that it was "an issue with the system" but also disconcerting that this 'glitch' doesn't appear to have affected everyone.
I'm sure it will be fine, if you can, I'd take a screen shot of original thank you for confirming eligibility and if there's any issue (I don't think there will be), you can email the screenshot over etc etc.
It looks like a very small amount of people affected by this issue and unfortunate absolutely no announcements about it by DEASP, leading to unnecessary concern for those impacted.
I received the following confirmation yesterday in response to my chaser email.
"We aware that a number of customers who had already confirmed their eligibility for PUP, received a reminder the next day.
If you have already successfully confirmed your eligibility, you can be advised to ignore this reminder and we offer our apologies for any confusion or inconvenience caused.
If you have, after receiving the reminder, confirmed your eligibility a second time, you can be advised that this will not negatively impact your claim."
I see DEASP has extended by a full week the cut off point to confirm PUP eligibility, new date 27th July